Sukhoi PAK FA

[Bahamut]

Does Russians / Soviets have their products, similar to Bhramos and Akash ..........?

Well we use P800 onikss as base but a new missile guidance technology and steep dive capability .Also there is Brahmos II.Also there is new resistance to counter measures.These are made for Brahmos .
I found no info to say Akash is based on a forign design

 

[IndianHawk]

What's the big deal even if we used Russian design or help.
All around the world technological developments followed same path.
Didn't Americans used German technology to build missiles. UK USA collaboration resulted in many feats.

We are improving every day and that is the only thing that matters. Constant progress that's it

 

[airtel]

India only can have 15% work share on future Russian 5th gen aircraft.

in which area India can work ?? we dont have enough experts and Fully developed technology to implement in FGFA .

Designs , Radars , air-frames ,engines , IRST , electronic warfare systems etc will be Russian .<<<<< these are the 85% part of Fighter plane .

so what are the options ?? wait for another 20 years to develop indian technologies ?

and let me tell you developing these technology will require much more money (with no surety of development )

Russia & USA have invested trillions of $ to invent these technologies during the last 100 years ..............to challenge them we also need trillions of $ and a lot of time ..................then we will have to select some smart people & give them all that money and other resources so that they can invent something ................

..................................................................................................................

Facebook page's pipe dreams

Kaveri engine part is true though.




Not true, I can disprove your no ToT claims right off the bat.

http://www.janes.com/article/56554/us-approves-f-35-offset-technology-transfer-to-south-korea

"
South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said on 9 December that approvals for 21 technology suites have been granted by the United States following negotiations that continued through November.

The technologies form a central part of the defence offset programme attached to Lockheed Martin's sale of F-35 Lightning II fighter aircraft to the Republic of Korea Air Force. Seoul agreed to purchase 40 F-35s in September 2014 for around USD7 billion.

The technologies to be transferred under offset linked to the F-35 purchase will be channelled into the KFX programme."

The ToT received from the US is actually helping indigenous effort in SK, instead of what alarmists like to claim, that the foreign purchase will kill the indigenous fighter.

And this is South Korea,it was not a member of the JSF program,neither did they chip in during development

blah blah blah .............

https://sputniknews.com/military/201608011043816969-south-korea-fighter-jet-usa/

what are these 21 technologies ??

they will provide AESA radar technology ?? no .............
they will provide engine technology ?? no ,
electronic optical targeting pod ? no ......
radio frequency jammer ?? no ..........
the infrared search and tracking system ?? no ...............
they will provide syntactic mat technology ?? no

without these technologies can south korea can never build a Fifth generation fighter plane ?? Never .

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/07/116_210456.html

^ look at this a latest article , they are still begging ..............and they will not get it .

USA "assured" to provide 21 technologies , just because South korea bought 40 F-35 , they are so called "allies " of USA & these technologies are not that critical and south Korea can not make 5th generation fighter plane with these technologies .

they signed deal to provide even those 21 technology ?? no .................they just assured .


This is USA >>> www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230724/UK-anger-America-refuses-share-secrets-new-radar-evading-Lockheed-F35-fighter-jet--Britain-helped-pay-for.html

^ they refuse to provide source codes of their AESA Radar to their biggest ally & Father United Kingdom , which is the sole "Level 1" partner of F-35 program , why they will provide source codes to any other country ?? specially a country like India which is so close to Russia ??

Australia and Japan are maintenance providers in the Pacific region , it can be repaired out of the US.

http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/603831

We're getting off topic but I just had to pitch this in

that is limited maintenance & they have this privilege because of China and I think the
maintenance will be provided by American technicians only .
even UK dont have that privilege >>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...repair-kit-on-f-35-jets---even-though-it-was/


Only Israel Can Customize America’s F-35 (At Least for Now)

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/israel-can-customize-americas-f-35-least-now/

 

[Indx TechStyle]

in which area India can work ?? we dont have enough experts and Fully developed technology to implement in FGFA .

Designs , Radars , air-frames ,engines , IRST , electronic warfare systems etc will be Russian .<<<<< these are the 85% part of Fighter plane .

so what are the options ?? wait for another 20 years to develop indian technologies ?

and let me tell you developing these technology will require much more money (with no surety of development )

Russia & USA have invested trillions of $ to invent these technologies during the last 100 years ..............to challenge them we also need trillions of $ and a lot of time ..................then we will have to select some smart people & give them all that money and other resources so that they can invent something ................

..................................................................................................................



blah blah blah .............

https://sputniknews.com/military/201608011043816969-south-korea-fighter-jet-usa/

what are these 21 technologies ??

they will provide AESA radar technology ?? no .............
they will provide engine technology ?? no ,
electronic optical targeting pod ? no ......
radio frequency jammer ?? no ..........
the infrared search and tracking system ?? no ...............
they will provide syntactic mat technology ?? no

without these technologies can south korea can never build a Fifth generation fighter plane ?? Never .

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/07/116_210456.html

^ look at this a latest article , they are still begging ..............and they will not get it .

USA "assured" to provide 21 technologies , just because South korea bought 40 F-35 , they are so called "allies " of USA & these technologies are not that critical and south Korea can not make 5th generation fighter plane with these technologies .

they signed deal to provide even those 21 technology ?? no .................they just assured .


This is USA >>> www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230724/UK-anger-America-refuses-share-secrets-new-radar-evading-Lockheed-F35-fighter-jet--Britain-helped-pay-for.html

^ they refuse to provide source codes of their AESA Radar to their biggest ally & Father United Kingdom , which is the sole "Level 1" partner of F-35 program , why they will provide source codes to any other country ?? specially a country like India which is so close to Russia ??










that is limited maintenance & they have this privilege because of China and I think the
maintenance will be provided by American technicians only .
even UK dont have that privilege >>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...repair-kit-on-f-35-jets---even-though-it-was/


Only Israel Can Customize America’s F-35 (At Least for Now)

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/israel-can-customize-americas-f-35-least-now/

I guess $trillions investment is a too much statement. Specially for Russians. Agree with rest of your post.

 

[gadeshi]

Does Russians / Soviets have their products, similar to Bhramos and Akash ..........?

Are you a clawn?
Akash is just an Indian musings about KUB/Kvadrat mammuth-crap old SAM.
Brahmos (3M55EI) is just Indian-adapted 3M55E Yakhont export version of 3M55 Onyx.

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

 

[airtel]

I guess $trillions investment is a too much statement. Specially for Russians. Agree with rest of your post.

Trillions of $ in the last 100 years .......which includes technologies related to communication, radars, space technologies , rockets , fighter planes , submarines , nuclear bombs , hydrogen bombs , thermometric bombs , tanks , rifles , bullets , lasers ,EMP ..........and all the other weapons & equipment .............

add the cost of all these research & development and it will be trillions of $ .

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Trillions of $ in the last 100 years .......which includes technologies related to communication, radars, space technologies , rockets , fighter planes , submarines , nuclear bombs , hydrogen bombs , thermometric bombs , tanks , rifles , bullets , lasers ,EMP ..........and all the other weapons & equipment .............

add the cost of all these research & development and it will be trillions of $ .

Sum up then, I can bet zillions that even in total, it may just be around $1-1.5 trillions. Prizes were super low compared to today in last century. Yes, today they'll cost $trillions.

 

[Zebra]

Are you a clawn?
Akash is just an Indian musings about KUB/Kvadrat mammuth-crap old SAM.
Brahmos (3M55EI) is just Indian-adapted 3M55E Yakhont export version of 3M55 Onyx.

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

....................................................

BTW, you answered this question --->

Give me facts , how it is a copy ?

 

[Bahamut]

Typical socialist style, when they get run out of words, they do it all the time.

BTW, you answered this question --->

As for Brahmos, it has new targeting technology and countermeasures capability then Yakhot missile.
Akash is Indian equalivalent of KUB, means it does the same job but there is info to suggest we have cooperated with Russian on it.

 

[Zebra]

in which area India can work ?? we dont have enough experts and Fully developed technology to implement in FGFA .

Designs , Radars , air-frames ,engines , IRST , electronic warfare systems etc will be Russian .<<<<< these are the 85% part of Fighter plane .

so what are the options ?? wait for another 20 years to develop indian technologies ?

and let me tell you developing these technology will require much more money (with no surety of development )

Russia & USA have invested trillions of $ to invent these technologies during the last 100 years ..............to challenge them we also need trillions of $ and a lot of time ..................then we will have to select some smart people & give them all that money and other resources so that they can invent something ................
..................................................................................................................

First of all, check your actual post #4703 , the last part of it, defense (dot) gov link, I never posted it.

It was posted by Scarface . In your post #4703 , it looks like I said it.

And for red color part , if you don't have enough experts and technology, then better not to waste $4 billion of tax payer's money in the name of joint development and buy it off the shelf. Its much cheaper.

What say.......!

 

[Zebra]

As for Brahmos, it has new targeting technology and countermeasures capability then Yakhot missile.
Akash is Indian equalivalent of KUB, means it does the same job but there is info to suggest we have cooperated with Russian on it.

In other words official and upgraded copy of old system.

 

[Bahamut]

And for red color part , if you don't have enough experts and technology, then better not to waste $4 billion of tax payer's money in the name of joint development and buy it off the shelf. Its much cheaper.

Sir we get ToT and IP right, also our own experts gets to learn, look at our rocket program we started by aping the US and Soviet and then when we had Suffield knowledge we made our technologies.

In other words official and upgraded copy of old system.

No sir, it has a different propulsion, slight changes in airframe, now we are upgrading Brahmos range to 600 km, more supersonic flight time, more resistance to countermeasure. It is a new system.

 

[Zebra]

Sir we get ToT and IP right, also our own experts gets to learn, look at our rocket program we started by aping the US and Soviet and then when we had Suffield knowledge we made our technologies.

Sir, no one gave ToT as of yet.

People lie here on DFI.

License production rights are not ToT.

And when product fully or 85 % get developed by someone else, what the hell your people gonna learn out of it.

No sir, it has a different propulsion, slight changes in airframe, now we are upgrading Brahmos range to 600 km, more supersonic flight time, more resistance to countermeasure. It is a new system.

That is why I said "upgraded copy"

 

[airtel]

And for red color part , if you don't have enough experts and technology, then better not to waste $4 billion of tax payer's money in the name of joint development and buy it off the shelf. Its much cheaper.

What say.......!

we are buying Pak-fa off the shelf ...............

and we invested 4 billion $ in FGFA , because we want to modify it according to our specifications .................Both are DIFFERENT Fighter planes, with different Aerodynamic designs ........and we have to do all the tests like RCS , wind tunnel tests again .........Russians did not want twin seat version .but Indian Air-force prefer twin seat Aircraft .

and modifications require Money .

we will get 50% Ip rights ......that means if we sell FGFA to other countries then we will earn 50% money (LIKE SELLING BRAMHOS TO VIETNAM )

if Pak-Fa & FGFA are Good fighter planes then it is extremely good deal for India ..........


AND YES WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTS TO DEVELOP MODERN TECHNOLOGIES THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO SPEND 4 BILLION $ , SO THAT WE CAN CREATE EXPERTS , PRACTICALLY WORKING ON SUCH PROJECTS IS THE BEST WAY TO LEARN & CREATE EXPERTS ...WE DONT HAVE EXPERTS BECAUSE PRACTICALLY WE NEVER WORKED IN SUCH PROJECTS .

 

[gadeshi]

....................................................

BTW, you answered this question --->

Yes.
However, if you need to learn something don't you need to start with something really simple for a first step don't you?
Almaz-Antei is ready to TOT 9M96 series to India. That will be a real thing.
And of course 3M22EI aka Brahmos II hypersonics (3M22 Tsirkon special export version for India).
It is unparallelled TOT level ever in my book.

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

 

[tharun]

Yes.
However, if you need to learn something don't you need to start with something really simple for a first step don't you?
Almaz-Antei is ready to TOT 9M96 series to India. That will be a real thing.
And of course 3M22EI aka Brahmos II hypersonics (3M22 Tsirkon special export version for India).
It is unparallelled TOT level ever in my book.

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

9M96 missile is used in vityaz system right?
What is the range of it?

 

[gadeshi]

Some T-50 videos compilation:

 

[gadeshi]

9M96 missile is used in vityaz system right?
What is the range of it?

9M96 has 75km, 9M96-2 has 150km.
These are missiles for several systems:
1 - S-350 MRSAM
2 - S-400 LRSAM (as SR/MR component)
3 - Redut (Poliment/Redut Navy S-400 version) Navy LRSAM (as SR/MR component)

 

[gadeshi]

More beauty to this theread - A T-50-5R (1-05R):

And T-50-3 (1-03) as well:

 

[WolfPack86]

PAK FA or T-50 is a Russian fifth generation fighter jet. Where as Sulhoi/HAL FGFA is a variant of it which is being developed jointly by India and Russia. The completed FGFA will include a total of 43 improvements over the T-50, including stealth,super cruise, advanced sensors, networking and combat avionics. It was being widely believed that FGFA is that much talked joint Indo-Russian fifth generation jet.
However, questions arrive when Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov indicated that the joint project may be different than the FGFA. Where, what he say...
“This is a 5th generation aircraft that will be created in cooperation with the Indian company. It will be slightly similar to the FGFA, but will still be an independent, new and advanced aircraft. We have almost finished all negotiations and are ready to sign; only formalities remain. I hope this contract will be signed before the end of the year"
He also said that FGFA is an export variant of PAK FA and may join IAF in 2017.
https://www.facebook.com/TeamINDRA/photos?ref=page_internal