Sukhoi PAK FA

[gadeshi]

Here, two art pictures. Just answer in simple, @gadeshi. What is the name of 1st aircraft and what is of second?

Look, man...
This is not even funny...
These are just an artworks without any specimen bounds.
However they show aircraft without radar and with extended air pressure probe (PVD) on the nose cone.
This both can be T-50-1 (1-01) or T-50-2 (1-02) before (in primer) and after (in camo) their maiden flights.
If the second artwork has 51 tactical number, then it is T-50-1.

 

[Superdefender]

Look, man...
This is not even funny...
These are just an artworks without any specimen bounds.
However they show aircraft without radar and with extended air pressure probe (PVD) on the nose cone.
This both can be T-50-1 (1-01) or T-50-2 (1-02) before (in primer) and after (in camo) their maiden flights.
If the second artwork has 51 tactical number, then it is T-50-1.

If you are saying the 2nd one is T-50-1 (which is mentioned in the pic too), then what is the name of 1st one? That flew on 29.01.2010 (first prototype unpainted)?

 

[gadeshi]

If you are saying the 2nd one is T-50-1 (which is mentioned in the pic too), then what is the name of 1st one? That flew on 29.01.2010 (first prototype unpainted)?

This is just an artwork!!!
It can be either 1-01 or 1-02 before (pic1) and after painting (pic2).

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[gadeshi]

T-50-1 has flown its maiden flight 29.01.2010 being unpainted (in primer) like on pic1. Then (2 weeks later) it was painted like on pic2.

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[Superdefender]

Here is a post on 19th Oct, 2015 in www.cavok.com.br
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Last Oct 16, the 5th prototype of PAK-FA made its first flight after reconstruction of the aircraft, due to the fire that occured on June 10, 2014. After the reconstruction, the proto was redesignated T-50-5R (formerly T-50-5), where "R" stands for "Restored".
The reconstruction of the aircraft were then used components used in what would be the 6th prototype of PAK-FA, designated T-01/06/50. A new model, designated T-2.6.50, was built to take its place, with first flight scheduled to be held on 11 Dec, 2015.
The components of the T-1.6.50 not employed in the restoration of T-50-5R are being used in the manufacture of 7th proto, designated T-50-7. The aircraft will be used in the 2nd phase of testing PAK-FA, as with the final engine.
There are currently 5 proto T-50 PAK-FA involved in test program.
.T-50-1
.T-50-2
.T-50-3
.T-50-4
.T-50-5R (First flight on Oct 16, 2015)
.T-02.06.50 (inaugural flight prediction for Dec 11, 2015)

 

[gadeshi]

Ow yeah, Brasillian T-50 insider
Veeery funny...

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[gadeshi]

The next prototype to fly this year will be T-50-6-2 (1-06-2) and T-50-8 (1-08).
T-50-7 is a static tests airframe.

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[Superdefender]

T-50-1 has flown its maiden flight 29.01.2010 being unpainted (in primer) like on pic1. Then (2 weeks later) it was painted like on pic2.

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Now you are on simple track!! So according to you, both were T-50-1. But the first one was unpainted version and the second one is painted. And after two weeks !! Oh now I understood, I think. There are total 3 T-50-1 prototypes. First one was unpainted (flew on 29.01.2010). Second was painted and did not have front antenna (flew two weeks after) and finally the third one, also pained but did have front antenna (flew on 29.04.2010). The 2nd and 3rd were simillar in colour. In above 2 art pics, 1st one is 1st proto T-50-1 & 2nd one is 3rd proto T-50-1. Huh....am I right, @gadeshi?

 

[gadeshi]

T-50 has only 6 hardpoints?! I think those are external.View attachment 7762

It has 4 hardpoints in 2 MWBs (2 in each), 2 ones in FSBs (1 in each) and 6 externals.

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[Superdefender]

The next prototype to fly this year will be T-50-6-2 (1-06-2) and T-50-8 (1-08).
T-50-7 is a static tests airframe.

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Buddy, the post was not latest. I have mentioned it was of 19th Oct, 2015. T-50-6-2 is same as T-02.06.50, isn't it? It did not fly in 11th Dec, 2015 as predicted, ok it will take flight this year. As far as 7th prototype, they might have converted it static airframe much afer the post.

 

[gadeshi]

Now you are on simple track!! So according to you, both were T-50-1. But the first one was unpainted version and the second one is painted. And after two weeks !! Oh now I understood, I think. There are total 3 T-50-1 prototypes. First one was unpainted (flew on 29.01.2010). Second was painted and did not have front antenna (flew two weeks after) and finally the third one, also pained but did have front antenna (flew on 29.04.2010). The 2nd and 3rd were simillar in colour. In above 2 art pics, 1st one is 1st proto T-50-1 & 2nd one is 3rd proto T-50-1. Huh....am I right, @gadeshi?

NO!!!
The plane on both pics is T-50-1 but the first depicts it before painting and the other depicts the same plane after the painting 2 weeks later its maiden flight.
There is only ONE first prototype T-50-1.

Look, there is a bunch of airmen and air designers premonitions
One of the most famous of them is not to paint particular plane before it will fly the first time.
They believe if they will paint a new plane "prematurely" it will not be lucky or so
This is a tradition. And if you will look at photos and videos of even mass-production planes, they go to their first flight unpainted and get painting only after the 3-rd flight
It also has practical point of view: why to paint a new untested frame if there is a possibility that something will go wrong and you will repaint it after repair or improvements...

So, T-50-1 has made its maiden flight unpainted (in primer) and then has been finally painted after its 3-rd flight 2 weeks later.

 

[Superdefender]

@gadeshi, sure they have a funny, but logical tradition. But you forgot to ellaborate about third flight of the same plane on 29.04.2010!!

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi, sure they have a funny, but logical tradition. But you forgot to ellaborate about third flight of the same plane on 29.04.2010!!

I think this is obvious and all the flights are on photos and videos...

 

[Superdefender]

I think this is obvious and all the flights are on photos and videos...

Now my doubts are clear. Thank you very much.

 

[gadeshi]

Now my doubts are clear. Thank you very much.

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[salute]

View attachment 7764 Look at this. I shall say it majestic design of aerodynamics. Is this the final form of PAK-FA?

This us actually not a technical preview but an amatour work of non-technical design artist.
He is rather famous in Russia and CIS by his works for computer games DVD covers designs and gaming posters

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me was about to say that this is more like made by star wars lover game designer for some video game.

 

[Bahamut]

@gadeshi I have that Su 47 had auxiliary air intakes on the top of the fuselage to provide air when the engine was air starved .So can a similar solution be used in T 50 if we use S shaped inlet.

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi I have that Su 47 had auxiliary air intakes on the top of the fuselage to provide air when the engine was air starved .So can a similar solution be used in T 50 if we use S shaped inlet.

This is a complete bullshit. There are only turbulent close flow removal outlets, othing more.

 

[roma]

(1) Earlier this year India and Russia have agreed to reduce the cost of joint Sukhoi/HAL Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project by 40 percent and Both have since reached consensus on cutting the project costs to $8 billion, to be invested by India and Russia over the next seven years...........
(2) Slyusar while responding to reports that Indian air force officials are not convinced on the technical aspect of the fighter jet, said that ” There are no stumbling blocks that cannot be resolved “.

http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-pilots-will-be-allowed-to-test-pak-fa-uac-chief/

A newly built ones.
They are in KNAAZ production plan as PFI-1 to 3.

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Those two posts are good enough for me to assure of the sincerity of orthodox brother russia in supplying india and co-operating with fair play

contrast that with that sam who supplies withholding source code and killed our isro cryogenic program and also we cant be too sure who was ehing the msterious deaths of many of our nuke experts - found dead in most mysterious circumstanes

one reason for being more comfortable with russia is that our collaboration with them is specific and their capabilities also are specific and not so omniscient as the United States so the US is really getting so powerful that it has no competition it can do what it likes ..... can reach into anybody's pocket and take whatever it wants

not so with the Russians cooperation with them is more specific so we can feel safer with them so my old statement was that :-
with the US education works well speak the same language more less and with the Russians it's defense ..... but once we triy to break those patterns and experiment we find ourselves going backwards and it doesn't seem to work

so this well attested patterns we should stick to them ..... know the boundary lines and don't cross the boundary lines it will work otherwise it will be a disappointment and sense of loss and a sense of well why did we make this mistake yet again

so let's stick to what works defense with the Russians and education postgraduate education and research with the US ..... and make sure our fellas come back home because the US is running short of stem technologies stem graduates and want to grab our people

make sure they come back home ....at least , after getting some valuable experience and spending some time abroad

Perspektivniy Frontovoy Istrebitel (Prospect Tactical Fighter).

Perspektivniy = prospective = about to happen ( "soon" )

White one is T-50-5R during the first after repair flight. Then it was repainted.

HAH ! fortunately you did not outsource it to pakistan for re-painting ....otherwise they would have painted it green with moon and star and claimed they had JOINTLY developed it with china !


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[Gessler]

View attachment 7764 Look at this. I shall say it majestic design of aerodynamics. Is this the final form of PAK-FA?

Those are just artist conceptions made by private individuals (3D modellers & artists) of what PAK-FA could look like. They were made years before T-50 even made it's first flight. They're neither official, nor a representation of the design.

Here's more of them...

Here's what "artists" thought the Chinese J-XX could look like before J-20 was seen;

You have to know the difference between artist impressions & official renderings.