Sukhoi PAK FA

[cannonfodder]

Indian Air Force pilots will be allowed to test PAK-FA: UAC Chief

The longstanding demand of Indian Air Force to allow its Test pilots to flight-test one of Russia’s 5th generation T-50 fighter jet will be met soon after a formal Joint development agreement for the development of FGFA based on T-50/PAk-Fa is signed between India and Russia said UAC President Yuri Slyusar.

Earlier this year India and Russia have agreed to reduce the cost of joint Sukhoi/HAL Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project by 40 percent and Both have since reached consensus on cutting the project costs to $8 billion, to be invested by India and Russia over the next seven years.

Slyusar confirmed that Two Limited series production (LSP) PAK-Fa fighters would be delivered to Russian Air force in 2017 and has also urged Indian officials to expedite formal commitment on the detailed design phase of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme.

Slyusar while responding to reports that Indian air force officials are not convinced on the technical aspect of the fighter jet, said that ” There are no stumbling blocks that cannot be resolved “.

Slyusar also hopes to usher in an era of increased industrial collaboration under PM Modi’s ” Make In India ” initiatives and also welcomed increasing participation of Private sector in Indian defence manufacturing and R&D and said that ” Now Angle of view is wider and there are more opportunities now “.

http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-pilots-will-be-allowed-to-test-pak-fa-uac-chief/

 

[Superdefender]

Russia will give 3 prototypes to India in 2017. But old prototypes or new ones? I mean (T-50-1, T-50-2, T-50-3) or like (T-50-5, T-50-6, T-50-7)? T-50-5R looks beauiful.

 

[gadeshi]

Russia will give 3 prototypes to India in 2017. But old prototypes or new ones? I mean (T-50-1, T-50-2, T-50-3) or like (T-50-5, T-50-6, T-50-7)? T-50-5R looks beauiful.

A newly built ones.
They are in KNAAZ production plan as PFI-1 to 3.

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[Gessler]

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[Superdefender]

A newly built ones.
They are in KNAAZ production plan as PFI-1 to 3.

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PFI-1,PFI-2.PFI-3, what is full form? Prototype for India? Will they be more stealthier than even T-50-06-2, with full RAM coating?

 

[gadeshi]

PFI-1,PFI-2.PFI-3, what is full form? Prototype for India? Will they be more stealthier than even T-50-06-2, with full RAM coating?

Perspektivniy Frontovoy Istrebitel (Prospect Tactical Fighter).
Why should they be stealthier than Russian indigenous used ones?

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[Gessler]

Perspektivniy Frontovoy Istrebitel (Prospect Tactical Fighter).
Why should they be stealthier than Russian indigenous used ones?

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Exactly. There is no reason why the FGFA should be any stealthier than PAK-FA. This line of thinking comes from people who compare the present developments to Su-30MKI, thinking that the Indian version would be more advanced or something like how MKI was compared to baseline Su-27SK/Su-30MK.

This is not the case now as both the Russian & Indian variants will be produced almost simultaneously. If FGFA will be getting some upgrades (like new Izdeliye-30 engine), it will be at the same time as when the PAK-FA gets them. Maybe even a bit later as they're likely to be tested in Russia first.

 

[gadeshi]

Exactly. There is no reason why the FGFA should be any stealthier than PAK-FA. This line of thinking comes from people who compare the present developments to Su-30MKI, thinking that the Indian version would be more advanced or something like how MKI was compared to baseline Su-27SK/Su-30MK.
This is not the case now as both the Russian & Indian variants will be produced almost simultaneously. If FGFA will be getting some upgrades (like new Izdeliye-30 engine), it will be at the same time as when the PAK-FA gets them. Maybe even a bit later as they're likely to be tested in Russia first.

By what reson are they so naive?
Aviation is always a compromise. Stealth opposite speed, speed opposite range and so on.
What performance data are they ready to sacrifice for extra stealth?
And the most funny part: do they really think that Russians will give any export customer (even India) better product than for their own VKS?
MKI was done in a harsh 90-s, when Russia was poor and ravaged by its own olygarchy, Sukhoi was searching orders to just survive and try to make advances for the customers money. So it is not strange that MKI was rather advanced than indigenous Su-30 (Su-27PU).
Now times have changed and MKI story will never return back.

 

[smestarz]

Exactly. There is no reason why the FGFA should be any stealthier than PAK-FA. This line of thinking comes from people who compare the present developments to Su-30MKI, thinking that the Indian version would be more advanced or something like how MKI was compared to baseline Su-27SK/Su-30MK.

This is not the case now as both the Russian & Indian variants will be produced almost simultaneously. If FGFA will be getting some upgrades (like new Izdeliye-30 engine), it will be at the same time as when the PAK-FA gets them. Maybe even a bit later as they're likely to be tested in Russia first.

Most Russian tech on this is cutting edge, Would Israel be offering us the avionics of our choice instead of the Russian ones, Most of us, through various articles know of what the specs of PAKFA would be, and this plane is really radical. What would IAF really want to change? With the level of Data fusion expected to be high, a single pilot can handle the work load, Still why does IAF insist on twin seats?

Also India in a way is expected to buy more than the Russians. As the Russians realised from their experiences of MiG-29K and that of Su-30 SM, the IAF pilots know what upgrades they want and whatever upgrades they ask for makes the plane much better in combat. Whatever IAF did on Su-30 MKI it helped the Russian produce Su-30 SM which is developed by the Russians based on what they saw on Su-30 MKI

Possibly the only thing Israeli might be the targting pod LITENING

 

[gadeshi]

Possibly the only thing Israeli might be the targting pod LITENING

Exactly.
But I really dought that PAK FA will really be used in subsonic LGB-striker role with a pod.

 

[smestarz]

Exactly.
But I really dought that PAK FA will really be used in subsonic LGB-striker role with a pod.

I think it might be used mission wise, Su-30 MKI.4 planes from Squadron of MKIs are having special avionics for them to be used mainly as EW centric planes, Thus those might be conducting the SEAD/DEAD as well as take part in air dominance. PAKFA as per me will be a swing/multi role where its internal bays will carry strike weapons and maybe a couple of A2A missiles. The russians are also trying to see how missiles even though put on external pylon can be more stealthy so as to not give away the position of PAKFA. Just dont expect Brahmos A to be deployed on PAKFA. Brahmos A will be deployed only on Su-30 MKI planes specially modified for it

 

[gadeshi]

Another one great T-50-5R (1-05R) in close:

resembles me aphalina dolphin

 

[BON PLAN]

Another one great T-50-5R (1-05R) in close:

resembles me aphalina dolphin

A Dolphin with tired fin... .

 

[BON PLAN]

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[Superdefender]

Why is the engine part is exposed? Will the final production aircraft for RAF have engines safely hidden in stealthy airframe?

 

[Superdefender]

Can someone tell me, which proto T-50 is this?

 

[gadeshi]

Can someone tell me, which proto T-50 is this?

If you will pay a proper attention to my post, you will read a caption to it that says this is the 5-th prototype repaired from the fire last year - T-50-5-R (1-05-R).

Why is the engine part is exposed? Will the final production aircraft for RAF have engines safely hidden in stealthy airframe?

If you have seen another photos of 1-05R earlier in this thread (especially the ones showing the planes top back projection) you will see some extra composite panels that are absent on the earlier prototypes. This means that engine coverage process has began going

 

[Superdefender]

If you will pay a proper attention to my post, you will read a caption to it that says this is the 5-th prototype repaired from the fire last year - T-50-5-R (1-05-R).

If you have seen another photos of 1-05R earlier in this thread (especially the ones showing the planes top back projection) you will see some extra composite panels that are absent on the earlier prototypes. This means that engine coverage process has began going

No, not T-50-5R. The above two I uploaded now.

 

[gadeshi]

No, not T-50-5R. The above two I uploaded now.

It is obvious - T-50-1 (1-01)

 

[Superdefender]

T-50 has only 6 hardpoints?! I think those are external.