Sukhoi PAK FA

[sayareakd]

they have to reach break even, we have already reduce our order, therefore they had no other option but to find other buyers.

 

[drkrn]

brazil is not a strong ally of russia,nor shares common interests.giving a share in hi-tech weapon like pak fa which forms backbone of russian inventory is just making open of its potential weaknesses

poor decision

 

[gadeshi]

Relax, rdkrn, nobody will give Brasillians a key technologies like engines, radar and weapons as well as software sources.
The maximum of what they will give is a possibility to build the Brasillian planes from the Russian-delivered machine-complects.

As for the shared interests... There are only 4 countries that can overtake the American economical, political and military powers. These are BRICs countries - Brasil, Russia, India and China. Even the proper treaty between Brasil, Russia and China is discussed in the embassies. India will join it for sure once it concieved. It is a mutual lucracy here. Besides, it will smoothen Indo-Chinese relations as well.

 

[bhramos]

A Brochure Pic of NIIP L band AESA Radars assembly mounted on Leading Wing Edge of PAKFA.

 

[gadeshi]

It is not actually a radar - apperture is too small and narrow.
This is an AESA IFF responder.

 

[p2prada]

I would love to know the dimensions of this array and how many T/R modules it holds.

 

[drkrn]

Relax, rdkrn, nobody will give Brasillians a key technologies like engines, radar and weapons as well as software sources.
The maximum of what they will give is a possibility to build the Brasillian planes from the Russian-delivered machine-complects.

As for the shared interests... There are only 4 countries that can overtake the American economical, political and military powers. These are BRICs countries - Brasil, Russia, India and China. Even the proper treaty between Brasil, Russia and China is discussed in the embassies. India will join it for sure once it concieved. It is a mutual lucracy here. Besides, it will smoothen Indo-Chinese relations as well.

brazil is a south american country with virtually no direct threats.what do they need a 5th gen plane for?challenge usa?

 

[p2prada]

brazil is a south american country with virtually no direct threats.what do they need a 5th gen plane for?challenge usa?

I had posted this in the other PAKFA thread. They are offering the FGFA to sweeten a outside-the-MRCA-tender Su-35 deal that was kicked out of the program.

 

[Austin]

Seems like Brazil may join PAK-FA/FGFA program

Brazil is interested in cooperation with Russia to develop a fifth-generation aircraft
ИТАР-ТАСС : Бразилия заинтересована сотрудничать с Россией в разработке авиационной техники пятого поколения

BRASILIA, October 16. / Spec. corr. ITAR-TASS Igor Varlamov /. Brazil is interested in cooperation with Russia in the sphere of development of advanced models of aircraft of the fifth generation. This was stated by the Minister of Defence Celso Amorim, the South American country after today held a meeting with Brazilian capital on a visit to Brasilia, the head of the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

 

[drkrn]

Seems like Brazil may join PAK-FA/FGFA program

Brazil is interested in cooperation with Russia to develop a fifth-generation aircraft
ИТАР-ТАСС : Бразилия заинтересована сотрудничать с Россией в разработке авиационной техники пятого поколения

of course they will.it will increase their military potential exponentially

 

[Neil]

Antony to take up issues related to FGFA project with Russia


Not happy with its share of work in the multi-billion dollar Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project with Russia, India is expected to flag the issue with that country during Defence Minister A K Antony's visit there next month.

Though India is investing 50 per cent of the cost of the multi-billion dollar programme, its work share in the research and development and other aspects of the programme at the moment is only around 15 per cent, IAF officials said here.

The Defence Minister is expected to flag this issue during his Russia visit beginning November 15 as this will have an impact on India's indigenous capabilities to develop such an advanced fighter aircraft, they said.

The IAF expressed its objection over the issue at a CII event on energising aerospace sector in India.

"We have a major opportunity in the FGFA programme. At the moment it is not very much in favour of Indian development. We are flagging it through the Government. It should be much more focused towards indigenous development capability," IAF Deputy Chief Air Marshal S Sukumar said here.

The senior IAF officer was commenting on the programme and the opportunities that it could provide for the Indian defence sector.

The FGFA is a joint venture programme between India and Russia and its preliminary design phase was completed recently.

The programme is expected to cost over 1.5 lakh crore to the Government. The two sides are now in discussion over the main Research and Development part of the programme, which is expected to take another year to be concluded.


Antony to take up issues related to FGFA project with Russia | idrw.org

 

[SajeevJino]

Russia's most advanced fighter jet's troublesome childhood​

During this year's MAKS expo in Moscow, PAK-FA, Sukhoi's 5th Generation stealth fighter jet, also known as T-50, has shown a full-scope high aspect display, including the notorious Pugachev's Cobra.

However, footage shows that, whilst still being impressive, the display was less dynamic than those of some other super-maneuverable previous generation jets.

"It could be seen that the plane still suffers from the strict g-limits," says Piotr Butowski on his MAKS reports published on monthly aviation magazine Magazyn Lotnictwo.

"The plane underwent a modernization in the Sukhoi facility on the Polikarpov Street in Moscow Dec. 2012 and May 2013. The airframe was reinforced according to the flight tests and static tests that were already carried out; many new overlays can be seen on the airplane's surface. "

Indeed, the airframe has been strenghtened using pieces of metal put on the surface of the wings which can be spotted on this photo by Alexey Mitayev.

Back in the 2011, when PAK-FA debuted, both prototypes had technical problems. First one, "51"³ had structural breaks, while second one, "52"³ suffered a quite embarrassing flameout at the beginning of its MAKS 2011 performance and was forced to abort take off and display.

Besides the above mentioned (scarcely publicized) flaws, that are quite common among aircraft still under development (ask Lockheed Martin that produces the T-50"²s American counterparts F-35 and F-22) PAK-FA has also shown new sensors, including the new side-looking radar, and ultraviolet sensor that allows the aircraft for additional passive identification.

The Aviationist » Russia’s most advanced fighter jet’s troublesome childhood

 

[Austin]

I was reading an old Air International article which mentioned static instability for PAK-FA is reportedly 10% to 12% when compared to the 5% to 6% of SU27M/MKI and the neutral instability of basic SU27.

Do we know static instability for Tejas , Rafale , Gripen and Eurofighter ?

I just came across a board info on Eurofighter which quotes it at 8 % static instability

 

[ersakthivel]

Antony to take up issues related to FGFA project with Russia


Not happy with its share of work in the multi-billion dollar Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project with Russia, India is expected to flag the issue with that country during Defence Minister A K Antony's visit there next month.

Though India is investing 50 per cent of the cost of the multi-billion dollar programme, its work share in the research and development and other aspects of the programme at the moment is only around 15 per cent, IAF officials said here.

The Defence Minister is expected to flag this issue during his Russia visit beginning November 15 as this will have an impact on India's indigenous capabilities to develop such an advanced fighter aircraft, they said.

The IAF expressed its objection over the issue at a CII event on energising aerospace sector in India.

"We have a major opportunity in the FGFA programme. At the moment it is not very much in favour of Indian development. We are flagging it through the Government. It should be much more focused towards indigenous development capability," IAF Deputy Chief Air Marshal S Sukumar said here.

The senior IAF officer was commenting on the programme and the opportunities that it could provide for the Indian defence sector.

The FGFA is a joint venture programme between India and Russia and its preliminary design phase was completed recently.

The programme is expected to cost over 1.5 lakh crore to the Government. The two sides are now in discussion over the main Research and Development part of the programme, which is expected to take another year to be concluded.


Antony to take up issues related to FGFA project with Russia | idrw.org

Once it was touted as a 50 - 50 work share. And then IAf complained that since HAl has not shown no initiative the russians have cut down the HAL's work share to 30 percent.

Now we all know that all the russians are giving HAl is just 15 percent.

it will be quite interesting to know what the "15 percent work share is". It is just going to be mission computers and some avionics like in SU-30 MKI or anything more ?

When the situation is like this , why did our air chief repeatedly insisted that HAL is not concentrating on it's work share in FGFA , and instead developing useless HTT-40?

I think this small 15 percent workshare can easily be done by IAF's BRDs (Base repair Depots) , since our air chief has already informed the nation that their BRDs can produce a MMRCA class fighter in seventeen years!!!!!!!!

Only after seeing that there is no useful work share in FGFA for them HTT is looking to make some useful products like HTT-40.

SO we all understand now why the HAL is interested in developing HTT-40.

 

[hit&run]

Russia's most advanced fighter jet's troublesome childhood​

During this year's MAKS expo in Moscow, PAK-FA, Sukhoi's 5th Generation stealth fighter jet, also known as T-50, has shown a full-scope high aspect display, including the notorious Pugachev's Cobra.

However, footage shows that, whilst still being impressive, the display was less dynamic than those of some other super-maneuverable previous generation jets.

"It could be seen that the plane still suffers from the strict g-limits," says Piotr Butowski on his MAKS reports published on monthly aviation magazine Magazyn Lotnictwo.

"The plane underwent a modernization in the Sukhoi facility on the Polikarpov Street in Moscow Dec. 2012 and May 2013. The airframe was reinforced according to the flight tests and static tests that were already carried out; many new overlays can be seen on the airplane's surface. "

Indeed, the airframe has been strenghtened using pieces of metal put on the surface of the wings which can be spotted on this photo by Alexey Mitayev.

Back in the 2011, when PAK-FA debuted, both prototypes had technical problems. First one, "51"³ had structural breaks, while second one, "52"³ suffered a quite embarrassing flameout at the beginning of its MAKS 2011 performance and was forced to abort take off and display.

Besides the above mentioned (scarcely publicized) flaws, that are quite common among aircraft still under development (ask Lockheed Martin that produces the T-50"²s American counterparts F-35 and F-22) PAK-FA has also shown new sensors, including the new side-looking radar, and ultraviolet sensor that allows the aircraft for additional passive identification.

The Aviationist » Russia's most advanced fighter jet's troublesome childhood

From naked eyes it looks like a complex structure with so many parts riveted together not some thing lean mean and agile machine. If I remember after first pictures we all were expecting it to have single frame, single canopy as a final or with next prototype.

 

[p2prada]

Nevermind...

 

[lookieloo]

First Indian prototype delayed until 2015? India Concerned About FGFA Work Share With Russia

I had assurances from prada that it was coming next year...

 

[p2prada]

First Indian prototype delayed until 2015? India Concerned About FGFA Work Share With Russia

I had assurances from prada that it was coming next year...

We are negotiating for better terms and hence a delay. It's not like the delay is technical or related to any "deficiencies" in the program. Strictly economics. So you need to read again, FGFA was delayed because of contract signature, the fact that the prototype will be received a year after contract signature still stands.

What's interesting is the new negotiations will mean FGFA prototypes will be delivered in 2015, 16 and 17 instead of the previous dates of 2014, 17 and 19. More benefit to India, don't you think?

Final prototype delivery in 2017 would mean first IOC aircraft in 2019 instead of the earlier 2021. More and more good news.

 

[lookieloo]

Ah yes, the usual... If there's a delay or problem, I get told that the FGFA is a separate program; if exports come up, I get told that India is a full/equal partner in the entire PAK-FA enterprise. Make up your mind prada; can't have it both ways.

A delay is a delay. You told me some months ago that money India's prototype had already changed hands, so don't go blaming this on bureaucratic red-tape.

 

[Austin]

I would count in a delay of 1-2 years from the official date that both Indian and Russian official put up , Its hard to stick to strict time schedules in complex and pioneering project considering there would be many variable beyond their control .....for eg if the find crack after x hours of flying they need to find the root cause and fix it even if those are minor ones but will have long term effect if a proper fix is not found.

Even Russian Airforce induction is delayed by a year from 2016 to 2017 , I think even JSF is facing similar issue unknown issues creeping up that needs to be fixed.

PAK FA will rise in defense of the sky of Russia in 2017 | Russian news and facts