Sucessful Brahmos launch from SU30MKI

[Screambowl]

Please share the link / information here...

PIB
has mentioned it too..
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[sayareakd]

Technically Russia can't cooperate in anything over 300km.

After our entry to MTCR they can.

 

[TPFscopes]

PIB
has mentioned it too..
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Unable to get the same.
Feel free to share it..

 

[sayareakd]

Basically the launch proves that we could fire missile from MKI, rest the missiles after some time goes like normal missile, as it does not have to gain altitude.

Nose cap motor has give way to aerodynamic nose cap.

One more successful test and IAF will induct it in numbers, initial order is 200.

Its not clear that ungraded MKI will be used by SFC.

 

[aditya10r]

Use the kavari engines, we dont want to go supersonic, stealth design will do.
Internal bay with View attachment 21701

This type of internal bay would be good.

Do we need a strategic bomber like b-2 spirit or b-1b lancer??????

We cannot afford them right now maybe in some distant future.

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Would love to see air force owning a few tu-160.

 

[Screambowl]

Unable to get the same.
Feel free to share it..

The air launched BrahMos missile is a 2.5 ton supersonic air to surface cruise missile with ranges of more than 400 kms.
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelcontent.aspx?relid=173744

 

[TPFscopes]

Do we need a strategic bomber like b-2 spirit or b-1b lancer??????

We cannot afford them right now maybe in some distant future.

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Would love to see air force owning a few tu-160.

Strategic bombers are more useful for those countries which have their enemy nations at far distances.
Here, when we aiming them to use in indian armed forces they will become liability not an asset. We have our enemies attached with our regional boundaries.

Having Strategic bombers is nothing more than a fantasy in the present scenario...

 

[aditya10r]

Strategic bombers are more useful for those countries which have their enemy nations at far distances.
Here, when we aiming them to use in indian armed forces they will become liability not an asset. We have our enemies attached with our regional boundaries.

Having Strategic bombers is nothing more than a fantasy in the present scenario...

Same goes for china as it has most of its enemies close to its borders.

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SoKo, Japan, India or any country is its neighbour(maritime boundary).

Then why do the Chinese have strategic bombers????

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Maybe tu-22 had a role of maritime patrol.

Same for Soviets-they had to fight in the europe only,but they still operated 500+ bombers.

 

[TPFscopes]

The air launched BrahMos missile is a 2.5 ton supersonic air to surface cruise missile with ranges of more than 400 kms.
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelcontent.aspx?relid=173744

We also claimed that BrahMos-A have its peak range of 600km (here they mentioned it as more than 400km) and BrahMos LACM have its peak range of 800-900km (out of which 450km is already tested ).
It doesn't mean that the test launch have the range of "more than 400km".

The air launched BrahMos missile is a 2.5 ton supersonic air to surface cruise missile with ranges of more than 400 kms.

it itself a general statement not a tested range.

Let's have another claims with 280km range

 

[TPFscopes]

Same goes for china as it has most of its enemies close to its borders.

China aiming to surpass US

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SoKo, Japan, India or any country is its neighbour(maritime boundary).

Then why do the Chinese have strategic bombers????

Japan isn't that much closer to china. Also soko and japan both are US allies hence again indirectly will have to fight with US

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Maybe tu-22 had a role of maritime patrol.

Same for Soviets-they had to fight in the europe only,but they still operated 500+ bombers.

Europe is not itself a single country and most of these nations are EU and NATO allies . Again range expands

 

[captscooby81]

@TPFscopes Off topic why we need strategic bombers the same reason why china was keen on Tu-22M ..read this below article ..With the growing numbers of chinese war ships what we need is good Strategic bombers in naval variant with Anti ship missile to keep them away from our coast as far as possible ..

https://theaviationist.com/2013/01/04/tu-22-analysis/

 

[TPFscopes]

@TPFscopes Off topic why we need strategic bombers the same reason why china was keen on Tu-22M ..read this below article ..With the growing numbers of chinese war ships what we need is good Strategic bombers in naval variant with Anti ship missile to keep them away from our coast as far as possible ..

https://theaviationist.com/2013/01/04/tu-22-analysis/

AFAIK we had an advantage by having Andaman and Nicobar islands which can easily cover-up the Malacca strait ( its the only entry point for chinese warships )by using long range anti-ship missile. 800-900km BrahMos LACMs and LRSAMs can easily handle that threat.
I'm not completely denying for heavy long range bomber but I like to have assets not liabilities.

 

[Screambowl]

AFAIK we had an advantage by having Andaman and Nicobar islands which can easily cover-up the Malacca strait ( its the only entry point for chinese warships )by using long range anti-ship missile. 800-900km BrahMos LACMs and LRSAMs can easily handle that threat.
I'm not completely denying for heavy long range bomber but I like to have assets not liabilities.

You need Strategic bomber aircrafts to be deployed for throwing ration during floods.
This is what IAF has been doing past so many years.
They have no idea what they actually need.

Give this command to Army and deploy them in Mongolia, Fakhor, Maldives , Mauritius.

 

[Screambowl]

itself a general statement not a tested range.

Let's have another claims with 280km range

I am talking about capability
Not a particular experiment.

 

[TPFscopes]

I am talking about capability
Not a particular experiment.

Actually, discussion kick-started with experimented range..

Yes tested successfully on a sea target 300 KM away.

And here my claim for peak range for different BrahMos variant and I'm still stand with this..

Land based, ship based and sub based version can be increased for nearly 900km range whereas BrahMos-A can have nearly 600km range as max mark.

Let's move on further.

Good Day

 

[Kay]

Do we need a strategic bomber like b-2 spirit or b-1b lancer??????

We cannot afford them right now maybe in some distant future.

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Would love to see air force owning a few tu-160.

Can have unmanned arsenal planes later.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

It would be wise for a scaled up manned version of stealthy subsonic AURA to be inducted in long range strategic bomber role in the IAF to go hand in hand with the newly acquired capabilities of air launched Bhramos and other missiles.

 

[lcafanboy]

BrahMos test-fired from Sukhoi: India’s emerging tactical cruise missile triad sparks Chinese apprehensions
Published November 24, 2017 | By admin SOURCE: FIRST POST

A Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft of the Indian Air Force successfully test-launched the BrahMossupersonic cruise missile’s air-launched version on Wednesday. The missile was tested over the Balasore test-firing range against a sea-based target in the Bay of Bengal. With this test, India has commenced the drive to complete its tactical triad of the sea, air and ground-launched cruise missiles. The air-launched BrahMos will be tested for another year in a series of tests and inducted in the year 2019. After Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile’s launch this month, this test was the second successful test-launch. The importance of these successful tests in terms of the range, speed and impact of India’s deterrence is enormous. In the last few decades, a stand-off precision-strike weapon has become crucial to warfighting. Globally, the number, detection range and capability of air-search radars and fire-control radars of surface-to-air missiles have grown exponentially. The air-defence cover of major powers has become too dense to pierce, even for stealth fighters. In addition, airborne warning and control assets, over the horizon radars (OTHR) and satellite-based monitoring have brought a decisive shift in the air warfare methods. Accordingly, stand-off weapons, unmanned combat vehicles and lasers are emerging as crucial weapons of the future. With a 1200-1500 kilometre combat range of Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft, the BrahMos can hit any target within the range of 1500-1800 kilometres around India. In addition, BrahMos’ range is being extended to 600-900 kilometres, after India joined the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) in 2016. A BrahMos-ER (extended range) was finally tested in March 2017 to a range of over 400 kilometres and the 900 km one is due for testing by 2019. Moreover, the hypersonic BrahMos-2 is another version under development. As a result of these developments, Indian capability for stand-off precision war is substantially expanding. BrahMos and Nirbhay may emerge as India’s carrier-killer missiles in the naval domain. A couple of squadrons of BrahMos-equipped Sukhoi-30MKIs, deployed each in the Andaman and Nicobar Command and the Indian west coast, will help to ensure a peaceful Indian Ocean. In addition, the threat of saturation strikes of these air-launched cruise missiles will neutralise naval ambitions of any Indian adversary in the region. Regionally, BrahMos has an important place in the Chinese discourse over India’s missile capabilities. Chinese media has been regularly highlighting its supersonic performance characteristics, penetration ability, anti-interference features and resistance to anti-missile interception capability. It is also argued in China that if BrahMos is equipped with nuclear warheads then India’s capability for air-launch of nuclear weapons will increase considerably. A United States report, which argued that a total of 64 BrahMos missiles could destroy a carrier battle group, has experienced frequent mention in the Chinese discourse. Therefore, Chinese defence experts recommend that China counter India’s tactical missile capability augmentation in three ways. First, they argue that core components and intellectual property rights of this missile are still in Russian hands. Moreover, most of cutting edge weapon platforms of Indian Armed Forces have some Russian role. Therefore, if China increases its proximity with Russia, with strong linkages, it can prevent or restrict Indian access to Russia’s cutting-edge weapons. If the Russian bear gets a large jar of Chinese honey and assurances of future refills, the Russian option can be minimised. Second, even though India can extend the range of the BrahMos missile to 600-900 kilometres, a crucial component to ensure a successful hit is the long-range precision-guidance capability. Chinese experts argue that Indian capabilities in airborne-early detection and warning systems, mid-course guidance systems and long-range radar coverage are limited. The satellite-based guidance system also suffers from faulty atomic clocks and a limited number of satellites. Hence, as long as these capabilities do not improve, the threat of this missile will remain local. Third, in terms of ground war, most of the Indian airbases are close to the India-Tibetan border. Therefore, China will be able to damage Indian air capability far more than India can with its limited range BrahMos. Indian BrahMos attack will certainly invite a Chinese response with CJ-10 long-range cruise missile which can even reach Delhi. Additionally, the mountainous terrain and dense coverage of HQ-9, HQ16A and other close-range air defence missiles will help neutralise the BrahMos threat for China. In the naval domain, China believes that any combat will be a system based operation. Therefore, a combination of YJ-12 anti-ship supersonic cruise missile (KH-31 missile’s Chinese version), HQ-9, HHQ-16, FL-3000 and CIWS guns will be used for China’s fleet defence. Moreover, the advantage in detection capability and the defensive radius of the Chinese Navy will be crucial. Another strategy would be to either detect its heat signature or strive to destroy the launcher before the missile is launched. Even a cursory study of the reports in the neighbourhood over the BrahMos missile reflects the unease, apprehension and a grudging acceptance of India’s advantage in a no-contact war. An extended-range, air-launched BrahMos with a capability to hit any target to nearly 2,000 kilometres would usher in a paradigmatic shift in the India-Pacific’s security architecture. However, India would need to increase the number of delivery platforms, as only 36 or 50 modified Sukhois will not be enough. The enhancement of long-range guidance capability is another major area that needs attention. The continued augmentation of tactical cruise missile triad makes India’s adversaries uncomfortable. India should do it more.

http://idrw.org/brahmos-test-fired-...iad-sparks-chinese-apprehensions/#more-154568 .

 

[Vinod DX9]

There should be more MKIs with BrahMos

 

[sayareakd]

There should be more MKIs with BrahMos

so it can carry two R-77 on its belly.

from this pic

(Pic: Credit to Bharat Rakshak)
8 more missiles on its wings.

That means total 10 A2A, with Brahmos A, that is amazing........................