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What I want for ISRO is to come up with a rocket that can compete with SpaceX's Falcon rocket series and as well as the Starship rocket. It is inconceivable to me that SpaceX is beating ISRO and has more resources than ISRO even though it is a private company. ISRO should be able to marshall more resources than SpaceX.
It is not inconceivable to me that SpaceX is beating ISRO.

US had tons of Space engineers and scientists who were out of work after shutdown of Shuttle program and failure of many return to moon programs.
US has been powerhouse in Space sector with far greater Budget and technology than ISRO.

SpaceX tapped into the scene at the right time and it took them over a decade to perfect their rockets and re-usable stage 1.
 

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ISRO has the potential but where is the fund to carry out R & D and recruit new manpower?
Seriously ISRO is too much underfunded. The space sector is dependent on huge funding, and we are allocating them paltry amounts.
 

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First let ISRO build test stand catering for that capability
 

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Guys,with 500kg nuke payload...how much KMS can SSLV go? I know we will not arm it! just want know...
 

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What I want for ISRO is to come up with a rocket that can compete with SpaceX's Falcon rocket series and as well as the Starship rocket.
ISRO needs to come up with a payload for that first. India won't need an SHLV for next 10+ years.
It is inconceivable to me that SpaceX is beating ISRO and has more resources than ISRO even though it is a private company. ISRO should be able to marshall more resources than SpaceX.
SpaceX was a US state backed agency to ease pressure of NASA. It itself is an extension of American space program which by far is most advanced one on planet and has done & dusted things decades ago which most countries have not been able to do till date.

So it is very obvious that SpaceX outpaces ESA, RFSA, CNSA, ISRO and JAXA in terms of capabilities.
Certainly. It will be the mix of new fuel, Low weight motor such as composite motor (Like what we did in Agni V), Higher efficiency CE engine (already tested 21.8 tons thrust against 19 tons thrust), Increase in fuel etc. Name keeps on changing like GSLV3 became LVM3.
New configuration will be a series of Semi cryo powered rockets. Smallest NGLV will be similar to PSLV-CA with a capacity of 1.5-2 tonnes and biggest one being an SHLV. Besides Kerolox engines, a series of methalox engines will be developed (but may be used strictly for upper stages for decades). Interchangeable and stackable parts will allow flexibility of launch type. A reusable family will be developed based on same engines.

That's what ISRO's current long term plan for orbital launches is.

ISRO has the potential but where is the fund to carry out R & D and recruit new manpower?
All major six space powers, US, Russia, China, India, Japan and France have technology and in service engines that can be clustered to create SHLVs.

But where is the 50-100 tonnes spacecraft that India needs to launch? Off course unless India has a massive single piece space station to launch or a Gemini like spacecraft to land humans on moon. It's a wastage of money to book many taxis without passengers.

SCE-200 is the engine for future modular rockets. An Indian SHLV like Saturn V will be there when India will need one.
Seriously ISRO is too much underfunded. The space sector is dependent on huge funding, and we are allocating them paltry amounts.
Funding isn't a magical thing to solve every problems immediately. Research cycles have time and ISRO is barely able to spend money it is already given by government.

Further, new age space powers are not in a space race. We are developing sustainable space programs and they will be sustainable only if they are cost effective. Our mission is not to fly humans to moon one off and suddenly throw program in a cold bag but establish a permanent presence in space and make commercial gains from it, like mining etc..
India's overall purpose in space is about gains and not politics (though lately gone a bit with Gaganyaan). That's why commercial launches are more important than exploration missions.
 

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I am actually more excited for Agnibaan from Agnikul Cosmos. Completely 3D printed engine. I mean 3D printing of parts is the future, and they are the first. They are trying to have proper capability than Vikram S rocket. Planning first suborbital flight next month I think. Should be exciting
 

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ISRO needs to come up with a payload for that first. India won't need an SHLV for next 10+ years.

SpaceX was a US state backed agency to ease pressure of NASA. It itself is an extension of American space program which by far is most advanced one on planet and has done & dusted things decades ago which most countries have not been able to do till date.

So it is very obvious that SpaceX outpaces ESA, RFSA, CNSA, ISRO and JAXA in terms of capabilities.

New configuration will be a series of Semi cryo powered rockets. Smallest NGLV will be similar to PSLV-CA with a capacity of 1.5-2 tonnes and biggest one being an SHLV. Besides Kerolox engines, a series of methalox engines will be developed (but may be used strictly for upper stages for decades). Interchangeable and stackable parts will allow flexibility of launch type. A reusable family will be developed based on same engines.

That's what ISRO's current long term plan for orbital launches is.

All major six space powers, US, Russia, China, India, Japan and France have technology and in service engines that can be clustered to create SHLVs.

But where is the 50-100 tonnes spacecraft that India needs to launch? Off course unless India has a massive single piece space station to launch or a Gemini like spacecraft to land humans on moon. It's a wastage of money to book many taxis without passengers.

SCE-200 is the engine for future modular rockets. An Indian SHLV like Saturn V will be there when India will need one.

Funding isn't a magical thing to solve every problems immediately. Research cycles have time and ISRO is barely able to spend money it is already given by government.

Further, new age space powers are not in a space race. We are developing sustainable space programs and they will be sustainable only if they are cost effective. Our mission is not to fly humans to moon one off and suddenly throw program in a cold bag but establish a permanent presence in space and make commercial gains from it, like mining etc..
India's overall purpose in space is about gains and not politics (though lately gone a bit with Gaganyaan). That's why commercial launches are more important than exploration missions.
Another major problem which no one ever addresses is actually the payload equipments technical capabilities. We all are talking of launch vehicles only. In parliament, response was given Isro imported 2000 crore worth of components last year while export earnings including services are 180 crores. For last 5 years we imported 11000 crores of parts and service.


We need to leapfrog in satellite technologies. I believe we are bay beyond that and we are importing tech in that area. It’s the payload that matters at the end of the day
 

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As long as you can get it into orbit, you can put it anywhere on the planet provided that the delivery vehicle has enough thrust to deorbit at the right location and time.
Would still be constrained by orbit.
 

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We will remain this way until we become a global hub of semiconductor and electronics manufacturing.
Is that possible seeing that us is trying to make right grip on cutting edge technologies and they are even forcing TSMC to relocate on US soil for latest nodes though for matured modes there might be possibilities.
 

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Is that possible seeing that us is trying to make right grip on cutting edge technologies and they are even forcing TSMC to relocate on US soil for latest nodes though for matured modes there might be possibilities.
We produce indigenous chips for defense and space applications in SCL Chandigarh & Bangalore to maximum possible extent. Even if our technology improves, cost will remain high given lack of commercial scale of production.

Semiconductor industry is a moving target which even China & Russia haven't been able to catch up till date. Indeed it is not going to be easy for India.

Impossible is nothing in era of global semiconductor chips supply crisis if things are managed by government to turn in India's favor.
 

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Isro arm targets 10 commercial SSLV launches by 2026
The SSLV is the first lightweight homegrown rocket to have successfully reached the low earth orbit (LEO) of around 700 kilometres above the Earth’s surface.
The SSLV is the first lightweight homegrown rocket to have successfully reached the low earth orbit (LEO) of around 700 kilometres above the Earth’s surface.

The state-run company has built three SSLV rockets so far, and the success of the first rocket earlier this year has led it to approach commercial clients for satellite launch contracts.
NEW DELHI : NewSpace India Ltd (NSIL), the commercial arm of the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro), plans to ramp up the number of missions it handles each year using its Small Satellite Launch Vehicle (SSLV).
In an interview, Radhakrishnan Durairaj, chairman and managing director of NSIL, said the state-run company has built three SSLV rockets so far, and the success of the first rocket earlier this year has led it to approach commercial clients for satellite launch contracts.
“We are presently reaching out to commercial clients that we have already worked with, to understand the kind of market demand that we will garner. By 2025, we expect to launch around five to seven missions through the SSLV, which can increase to around eight to 10 missions within another year," Durairaj said. He said NSIL is already in talks with private sector firms to boost production capacity of SSLV rockets.
The SSLV is the first lightweight homegrown rocket to have successfully reached the low earth orbit (LEO) of around 700 kilometres above the Earth’s surface. A light rocket has a capacity of about 500kg in terms of payload, or the satellites that it can carry to space. Larger rockets such as Isro’s Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) typically have up to 2,000kg payload capacity.
While larger rockets can carry more satellites into orbit, they usually require a large customer to book the majority of the rocket’s payload capacity, and can hence perform fewer missions per year. The SSLV, however, can tap a growing demand for smaller satellite launches from private firms to undertake more missions.
The PSLV, therefore, doesn’t have the kind of scale that NSIL can achieve with the SSLV. For instance, the PSLV made two launches in 2020, one in 2021 and three last year. Increasing commercial launch capacity to up to 10 per year will give NSIL far greater launch capacity.
Durairaj said demand has shifted towards small satellite launches and smaller rockets that can handle such work. Small rockets like the SSLV target nano- and micro-satellites, which weigh less than 10kg and 100kg respectively, and offer on-demand launch services without requiring their makers to wait for a larger company to book bulk of the capacity.
“The SSLV is a small rocket built with a commercial goal in mind—the rocket will take lesser time to be built, and is expected to serve as an on-demand satellite launcher, which, when combined with India’s upcoming private space sector, will give our country far greater commercial satellite launching capacity than what we have had," said Anil Kumar Bhatt, director-general of industry body, Indian Space Association (ISpA).
The current global market leader in terms of commercial orbital space launches is the US, and specifically, Elon Musk-helmed private space firm, SpaceX. The latter launched 61 commercial missions last year, and is presently the most frequently operating private orbital spaceflight launcher in the world.
The SSLV, along with rockets from private space firms in India like Agnikul Cosmos, are expected to help India gain a larger share of the global space market. A report by ISpA and consultancy firm EY India in October last year said that commercial satellite launch services can see the homegrown space industry contribute $13 billion to the economy by 2025 — a figure that most industry stakeholders are optimistic in terms of achieving.
Agnikul Cosmos is expected to conduct a demonstrator mission of its Agnibaan rocket later this year. Fellow startup, Skyroot Aerospace, conducted its first launch in November last year with the Vikram-S rocket, and is targeting an orbital launch with a follow-up rocket, Vikram-1, in the December quarter of this year.
“We have already signed commercial contracts with a number of companies, and will likely have around five commercial payloads aboard the rocket in our mission later this year. Following the first launch at the end of this year, we plan to conduct multiple commercial launches with Vikram-1 through 2024. We’re already talking to companies to sign contracts for these launches," said Pawan Kumar Chandana, chief executive of Skyroot.
With the public and private sectors combined, India expects to hit double-digit annual rocket launches within the next 18 months, according to industry experts. The SSLV, Vikram and similar rockets are expected to account for a majority of these launches.
 

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Nice article,
Isro arm targets 10 commercial SSLV launches by 2026
The SSLV is the first lightweight homegrown rocket to have successfully reached the low earth orbit (LEO) of around 700 kilometres above the Earth’s surface.
The SSLV is the first lightweight homegrown rocket to have successfully reached the low earth orbit (LEO) of around 700 kilometres above the Earth’s surface.

The state-run company has built three SSLV rockets so far, and the success of the first rocket earlier this year has led it to approach commercial clients for satellite launch contracts.
Nice article, but says nothing about any upcoming SSLV launches this calendar year itself. What happened to those Black Sky satellites that were originally going to be launched in 2019? 3 SSLVs a year is okay, but one was expecting talk of 6-9 or more, per year. Maybe eventually they will reach that?
 

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Nice article,

Nice article, but says nothing about any upcoming SSLV launches this calendar year itself. What happened to those Black Sky satellites that were originally going to be launched in 2019? 3 SSLVs a year is okay, but one was expecting talk of 6-9 or more, per year. Maybe eventually they will reach that?
10 per year initially they have said, no orders in sight though yet.
 

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