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We do but sadly 99% of missionaries are Sri Lankans....I am suprised they aren't kicking out the hoards of Christian missionaries.
We do but sadly 99% of missionaries are Sri Lankans....I am suprised they aren't kicking out the hoards of Christian missionaries.
Mission trips to Lanka are going strong. Christian population has silently pushed up to 7.5%. and predicted to be majority by mid century. The more you persecute the more it grows.We do but sadly 99% of missionaries are Sri Lankans....
I think the characterization would be that "some" Muslims did so, not all. And almost all would have criticized the action as being wrong. Infact, the leading religious body of Sri Lanka Jamiyyathul Ulama which is a religious organisation called for the same.@ejazr
I don't know about the America... but I can surely say that in 2011 WC match Pak vs SL, when Pak won crackers were lit to celebrated the movement by the Muslim communities living in Colombo... this action was heavily criticized by many people including some Muslims...
same reasons like anywhere else....I don't understand why there would be hostility to Muslims there.
Sir, because of intolerance.[/i]
Check the genesis.
You are entitled to your view.I don't agree entirely with that, sir.
However, if one looks around the world, it indicates a situation where there is confrontation in many countries, and now Sri Lanka!
That is right, It is a Sri Lankan issue.A news which in essence is dealing with the issue of Sri Lankan Muslims internal ideological clashes, was used to instigate and provoke a completely unrelated Islamic community vs Buddhist community contention; in this post;
But the underlining rationale is similar to wherever there is this confrontation.
One cannot separate the rationale from the ground realities in Sri Lanka.
One cannot help but one can not be myopic when addressing issues.That post had nothing to do with the article as the article clearly pointed out that;
Once again, one cannot live in mindset of a goldfish bowl existence. One has to understand issues given some empiricals.1.) Muslims were not being "targeted", rather the Sri Lankan Muslims themselves were unhappy with this organization which they considered radical.
2.) The news had nothing to do with converting Buddhists.
That is true that intolerance is not the sole prerogative of the radical Islamists.It goes a long way in showing that the intolerance in our world isn't the trait of radical Muslims alone.
However, who started the use of world wide terror as a weapon?
Obviously, there will be a reaction.
I am not a Sire. I have no serfdom at my command.Sire, the issues are all there! The difference is all in what you choose to see and not to see.
Isn't it the way things are - that all see what they chose and not see what they do not wish to see?
Christians are a benign community that adjusts with all. It is the US evangelists who are giving the Christians a bad name. Having been a Churchgoer at one time, I too am horrified at these Bible bashers and fire and brimstone types. That is where the things are getting skewed. Heard of Benny Hinn?I have already started to see the vilification against Christians in India beginning to prop up, though I will admit, the intolerance is still in its infancy.
There will be no such backlash for the Christians since the Hinduvta stalwarts are not strong out there. It is all a question of numbers. Visit the NE to see it for yourself.It won't be long that some crackpots decide to "punish" innocent and defenceless Christians in some totally unrelated corner of India for the deeds done by the Christian crackpots in Assam or Tripura (NLFT, NSCN, MNCA, Baptist Church of Tripura, you take your pick). This will only spark off another cycle of young Christians taking towards their religion in more fervour and things go downhill from that point.
Also, note how Gilani has come out in favour of the Christians after the padre was ostracised by the illegal Sharia court in J&K. Christians, as I said, are benign and there work in support of the community is noticed and appreciated. It is just that the Bible thumpers are giving it a bad name.
Kashmir separate leader decries Sharia court decision to banish Christians
Kashmir separate leader decries Sharia court decision to banish Christians | Christian Persecution Update India
The largest community in Kandhamal is the Kandha tribe. Most Kandha tribal people follow tribal religions or Hinduism. However, the socio-economic and political landscape is dominated by the second largest community non-tribal Panna who are mostly Christian.If you are sure, Brigadier, that such confrontations will only remain limited to Muslims, than please do explain to me the Khandamal riots of 2008.
Social conflict generated by economic disparity and envy.
That is the sad commentary caused by Vote Bank Politics!Intolerant and Radical Muslims, Christians, Hindus or Sikhs feed off each other and make each other stronger. It is only the Moderates who become the targets and end up on the loosing side.
The Moderates raise their voice and that is about all.The moderates, especially in India, have raised their voice each and every time some crackpot Mullah has said something intolerant or stupid. The only difference is that you choose to give more importance to what a crackpot Mullah says, than to what the moderates say!
What is the Govt doing?
Appeasing every radical voice. Why the Mullahs alone? Must we forget the Togadias and Bal Thackerays or Owassis and Syed Shabuddins?
Indeed they will when we have an impotent Govt that chases shadows and tilt their lances at windmills like Don Quixote.It is not too far away from the Pakistanis, who label Bal Thackeray to be the sole voice of the Hindus and the supreme ruler of India!
My agenda is simple - We are Indians and stop dividing us!You choose to give more importance to leaders who better fit your agenda.
I presume that is what everyone feels he is!I'm not a Champion of Peace, far from it!
Rather, just someone who tries to call spade a spade.
Even the Wagah candle-men!
Isn't that the weird part of Christianity that it grow if you persecute it? Are you a christian missionary?Mission trips to Lanka are going strong. Christian population has silently pushed up to 7.5%. and predicted to be majority by mid century. The more you persecute the more it grows.
Couple of quick points:Anybody who is fairly aware of Islamic law or sharia law will know that there is majority consensus among scholars that following the law of the land and being loyal to the oath of citizenship is considered mandatory. Afterall, muslims did not launch a speratist struggle in Sri Lanka so I don't understand why there would be hostility to Muslims there.
Syed Shabbudin holds contrary views.Anybody who is fairly aware of Islamic law or sharia law will know that there is majority consensus among scholars that following the law of the land and being loyal to the oath of citizenship is considered mandatory.
As I stated in my quote, "loyalty to your country" is mandated by shariah. Are you Indian first or Muslim first is two different things altogether. Islam is not a country its a religion. I can be a Muslim, Indian, Hyderabadi all at the same time. What matters is wether you will be loyal to the nation for example at a time of war.Couple of quick points:
Syed Shabbudin holds contrary views.
He says we are Muslims first and then Indians!
Being a Muslim is supreme!
I am not sure what the problem is with using Ummah -Muslimah to define the community of Muslims. Here Ummah does not refer to the modern nation state, or the idea of forming some sort of unified Islamic caliphate.So, is the fact that ummah means - An ummah is a community or a people. It is used in reference to the community of Believers or Muslims across the globe because they are brothers and sisters in Islam.
http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=ummah
Further,
The phrase Ummah Wahida in the Qur'an (the "One Community") refers to all of the Islamic world unified. The Quran says: "You [Muslims] are the best nation brought out for Mankind, commanding what is righteous (Ma'ruf, lit. "recognized [as good]") and forbidding what is wrong (Munkar, lit. "unrecognized [as good]")"¦" [3:110].
Two, one does not have to be separatists to have religious and communal issues. Therefore, it would be odd to believe that because the Muslims were not in the LTTE, they or the Buddhists are sanitised from problems.
Even though of the same religion, the Shias and Sunnis have their own problems of political ascendancy!
Muslims were recruited by the LTTE specially from welikanda area in the east coast.. also there were Sinhalese LTTE members...it would be odd to believe that because the Muslims were not in the LTTE
Could you give where it is written so in the Quaran?"loyalty to your country" is mandated by shariah.
Since it does not refer to the modern nation state, the issue of a nation beyond Islamic ummah, does not arise. It must be remembered that it is stated that whatever was to be known has been stated in the Koran. That is why Islam is not amenable to changing to the modern societal realities. In fact Ijtihad was done away with in the 10th Century because it was felt none had the scholarship to interpret what was already stated in the Quran and the Hadith.Ummah does not refer to the modern nation state, or the idea of forming some sort of unified Islamic caliphate.
The issue is not to compare who is the greatest terrorists in the world.I think there is question; no doubt thanks to OBL and the AlQaeda and the whole terrorism issue on how threatening the Muslim community is perceived. Its not widespread or problematic as some claim, but it lingers in the back of the mind. I can't really complain against it and I completely understand and empathize with this. But I think it would be not fair if I try to explore and debate this viewpoint. For example, we saw how the Maoists death are ten times those of terrorists violence in the last five years, but many others were surprised when I said that we suffer more Maoists afflicted deaths than from terrorism.
It reads however one wants it to read. Like all other religious texts.Check the genesis.
And those ground realities are that there is no confrontation in Sri Lanka. I link to ejazr's post:You are entitled to your view.
However, if one looks around the world, it indicates a situation where there is confrontation in many countries, and now Sri Lanka!
That is right, It is a Sri Lankan issue.
But the underlining rationale is similar to wherever there is this confrontation.
One cannot separate the rationale from the ground realities in Sri Lanka.
Sir, I've got tremendous respect for you despite our huge differences of worldview and thought, and with this respect, I ask you not to be so myopic on such issues! I know our worldview can never meet, but can just request that you not to use any random platforms to rally against Muslims. This article obviously was not a good launching point against voicing your discomfort against Muslims.One cannot help but one can not be myopic when addressing issues.
I understand the issues very well, sir. I also understand for a fact that a witch hunt against 1.5 billion Muslims isn't going to be solving any issues either.Once again, one cannot live in mindset of a goldfish bowl existence. One has to understand issues given some empiricals.
First ever known terrorist group in recorded history would be the Jewish Sicari Zealots. The first ever terrorist group in modern Middle East were the Zionists, primarily Irgun. They were the first ones indulging in bombing marketplaces, hotels, buses and other mass civilian places! The Japanese Red Army was the first organization to introduce suicide attacks (or in Islamist terminology "Fidayeen" attacks) to the Middle east. And it were the LTTE which perfected suicide bombings like no other and their black tigers were known to be the most lethal efficient bombers in the world. Prior to the current Afghan war, the LTTE had conducted more suicide bombings than every single terrorist group in the world, combined. The Muslims are but new kids on the block if you're talking terror. Even this phenomena is only due to one major state player; Pakistan.That is true that intolerance is not the sole prerogative of the radical Islamists.
However, who started the use of world wide terror as a weapon?
Obviously, there will be a reaction.
If you were living in Pakistan or any country in the ME, I may have believed that; but in the free world, sir; I call that paranoia!Isn't it the way things are - that all see what they chose and not see what they do not wish to see?
Sir, every community is benign to start with. The problem may be the US evangelists, but those same "problem" will again be seen as the sole voice of Christians, and it will be the normal everyday Christians who will be the ones getting blamed and attacked.Christians are a benign community that adjusts with all. It is the US evangelists who are giving the Christians a bad name. Having been a Churchgoer at one time, I too am horrified at these Bible bashers and fire and brimstone types. That is where the things are getting skewed. Heard of Benny Hinn?
Sir, I'm not worried about the Christians in the NE. The hatred against Christians has been spewing out of a totally opposite corner of India in the last few years. Maybe you missed the RSS and other right-wing Hindu group's views on the Christians. Last I checked, Mr. Thackeray wanted to wipe out all the Christians (along with the Muslims) from India. The right wing nutjobs are not going to be travelling to NE to do so, for there, they might actually be faced with real gun totting Christian militants. Defenceless Christians sitting right in their backyard seems to be more of their cup of tea!There will be no such backlash for the Christians since the Hinduvta stalwarts are not strong out there. It is all a question of numbers. Visit the NE to see it for yourself.
Funny how Gilani seems less crackpot than Thackeray.Also, note how Gilani has come out in favour of the Christians after the padre was ostracised by the illegal Sharia court in J&K. Christians, as I said, are benign and there work in support of the community is noticed and appreciated. It is just that the Bible thumpers are giving it a bad name.
Kashmir separate leader decries Sharia court decision to banish Christians
Kashmir separate leader decries Sharia court decision to banish Christians | Christian Persecution Update India
VHP is not a Kandha organization, it is pan-India, and it is the organization which called for attacks against Christians after a VHP leader was killed. That killing was carried out by the Maoists, but the VHP still chose to attack the Christians. Hmmph!The largest community in Kandhamal is the Kandha tribe. Most Kandha tribal people follow tribal religions or Hinduism. However, the socio-economic and political landscape is dominated by the second largest community non-tribal Panna who are mostly Christian.
Social conflict generated by economic disparity and envy.
That commentary is indeed caused by vote bank politics continuing to pander to extremists. If that was not the case, such commentary would not be required as it would be those goddamn religious extremists on the loosing side, not the moderates, as it is today!That is the sad commentary caused by Vote Bank Politics!
The Moderates raise their voice and that is about all.
What is the Govt doing?
Appeasing every radical voice. Why the Mullahs alone? Must we forget the Togadias and Bal Thackerays or Owassis and Syed Shabuddins?
We have an impotent government, that is one point we can agree on.Indeed they will when we have an impotent Govt that chases shadows and tilt their lances at windmills like Don Quixote.
Sir, I feel that somewhere your views actually hamper you from projecting this "we are Indians" thinking of yours.My agenda is simple - We are Indians and stop dividing us!
To each his own.I presume that is what everyone feels he is!
Even the Wagah candle-men!
Heinz only dreams of LTTE while walking, Talking, eating, sleeping and even in Muslim issues...Muslims were recruited by the LTTE specially from welikanda area in the east coast.. also there were Sinhalese LTTE members...
your above post shows how much you hail LTTE..... look what I have said in my post! and also I have the full right to talk about LTTE because it's my country's issue involving my people.Heinz only dreams of LTTE while walking, Talking, eating, sleeping and even in Muslim issues...
Shameless ! yes the moors and Muslims are LTTE sympathisers and you do not want any body else except Sinhalas> that is Fascism to the core !!
While talking about your country you assume that it is a Sinhala land which it is not. SL has all kinds of people and it is their country too. That includes, the Moors , Burgers, the Muslims and first of all the Tamils.your above post shows how much you hail LTTE..... look what I have said in my post! and also I have the full right to talk about LTTE because it's my country's issue involving my people.
yes it is Sinhala land... and if it is not prove it! most of all who told you that SL is only for Sinhalese! dude you are more and more exposing your LTTE mentality..... you should try to stop it... cuz nothing is impossible!While talking about your country you assume that it is a Sinhala land which it is not. SL has all kinds of people and it is their country too. That includes, the Moors , Burgers, the Muslims and first of all the Tamils.
But you advocate Sinhala Fascist views which is going to aggravate the problem rather than solve it. I never knew Buddhist could also be Fascists.