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Why are we not conisering S series SAM missiles??world military recoganise it as the best in the world and still we dont buy not a single one of them...
As kommunist said all russian surface missile start with letter s and are s-x00 system are expensive. I would just add :
Russian hardware (except Mig-35) tend to propritory following their own standards. It is difficult to such propritory hardware in the network centric enviroment. This was the one of the two reason why we limited the purchase of the S-300 systems. Also western system tend to be better.
 

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LF,thanks for the link.that settles it.BARAK for navy and SPYDER for airforce.
 

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I have a feeling when ASTRA is produced a land version may also be produced??
to my mind it is a pure a2a missile.it has been ground tested for a future air trial.india has enough ground based missiles.note the sleekness in ASTRA.
 

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Did pakistan is having any such dealings with china for SAM? Did there SAM systems or effective than us?
 

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They have a dense AD network and countless MANPADs, but most of it is 80s tech.

# Bofors RBS-70
# SA-7 Grail
# General Dynamics FIM-92 Stinger
# General Dynamics FIM-43 Redeye
# Anza MKI, Anza MKII and Anza MKIII
# HQ-2B

However, they are in negotiations to purchase the SPADA-2000 SAM System, which is seriously a good system with good counter against SEAD operations.

Its an impressive system. An Article about its reliability.
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/02/aspide-2000-establishes-another.html
 

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Did pakistan is having any such dealings with china for SAM? Did there SAM systems or effective than us?
It is heard they are getting HQ-9 SAM from china too. Here is a report about HQ-9

Hong Kong, China — China has put its HQ-9 surface-to-air missile on the export market, under the name FD-2000. Brochures advertising China’s latest missile appeared at the most recent African Ground Force Equipment Exhibition in Cape Town, South Africa and also at the Defense Exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan last November.
The China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation is the exporter of the long-range SAM. The name FD-2000 was first revealed by the Kanwa Information Center in 1998 as the export name of the HQ-9; more than 10 years later China has finally introduced this missile system to the international market.


The PLA Air Force has already deployed the HQ-9 at its bases in Xi’an and Lanzhou.

The HQ-9/FD-2000 unveiled at those exhibitions included its guidance radar. A model of this phased array guidance radar was put on display at the PLA Equipment Exhibition in Hong Kong last summer.

The four-celled HQ-9 launcher is very similar to that of the Russian S-300 SAM. The Chinese introductory brochure says that the missile’s range for aircraft targets is 7-125 kilometers, much lower than the 150-kilometer range of the Russian S-300 PMU1. This is the main reason China continues to import Russia’s S300 PMU2, which has a range of 200 kilometers. The HD-9/FD-2000’s firing altitude is 0.025-27 kilometers.

The HQ-9’s range for missile targets, or air-to-ground missiles, is 7-50 kilometers, with a firing altitude of 1-18 kilometers. Its range for cruise missiles is 7-15 kilometers, at a firing altitude of 0.025 kilometers. The range for ballistic missiles is 7-25 kilometers at a firing altitude of 2-15 kilometers.

The HQ-9’s guidance system is composed of inertia plus uplink and active radar terminal guidance systems. The manufacturer claims that its response time is 15 seconds and it is capable of dealing with 48 targets simultaneously.

The brigade-level combat system is composed of one command vehicle, six control vehicles, six track-radar vehicles, six search-radar vehicles, 48 missile-launch vehicles and 192 rounds of missiles. In addition, there is one positioning vehicle, one communications vehicle, one power supply vehicle and one support vehicle.

The composition of the combat system indicates that one HQ-9 battalion is equipped with eight missile launch vehicles, which is consistent with what satellite photos of the system have shown.

One industry source said that China has also developed a new version of the HQ-9/FD-2000 for naval ships, which can be installed on the export versions of combat ships. However, the source did not disclose the firing rate of the HQ-9.

A careful comparison of the Chinese FT-2000 anti-radiation missile and the FD-2000 launch system reveals that the transport vehicles of the two missile systems are quite different in exterior structures. Nonetheless, both have 8x8 wheels, and their launch tubes both have 11 reinforcing bands. The FT-2000 has a maximum range of 12-100 kilometers, a firing altitude of 3-20 kilometers, a missile length of 6.8 meters and a diameter of 466 milimeters.

These figures indicate that the FT-2000 and FD-2000 use different types of missiles. At present, only Pakistan is believed to have expressed an interest in purchasing the FT-2000. But according to a source from Islamabad, even Pakistan is not considering importing the missile system at this stage.

The FD-2000 may be able to compete with the Russian S300 PMU SAM, which has only a 90-kilometer range, on the international market, due to the lower cost of the China-made missile.

But the effective ranges alone show that a substantial technological gap must be overcome before the HQ-9 can replace the S300 PMU2. Nonetheless, the Chinese designers claim that in terms of the technological standard of its computer design and display and control systems, the HQ-9 is superior to the Russian S300 PMU1.

Given the fact that the HQ-9 has already been approved for export sales, there is a possibility that China has upgraded the missile system on the foundation of the original, bringing it closer to the standard of its Russian competitor.

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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto, Canada.)
 

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It is heard they are getting HQ-9 SAM from china too.
Yes they are getting HDW subs as well. :wink: but they are years away from actually getting it.
Can you please post a link stating that Pakistan is getting HQ-9?
 

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Yes they are getting HDW subs as well. :wink: but they are years away from actually getting it.
Can you please post a link stating that Pakistan is getting HQ-9?
...At present, only Pakistan is believed to have expressed an interest in purchasing the FT-2000. But according to a source from Islamabad, even Pakistan is not considering importing the missile system at this stage. ......

Even the report I posted says that Pakistan at this stages is not interested in HQ-9. But owing to the Chinease effort to contain India by arming Pakistan it can be asumed that it will be landed in Pakistan today or tomorrow. If we always try to search in google we may land in fool's paradise....as they will not advertise their secret deals on internet.
 

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Even the report I posted says that Pakistan at this stages is not interested in HQ-9. But owing to the Chinease effort to contain India by arming Pakistan it can be asumed that it will be landed in Pakistan today or tomorrow. If we always try to search in google we may land in fool's paradise....as they will not advertise their secret deals on internet.
These kind of deals cannot be hidden. Otherwise, Iran would have got the S-300 long back from Russia. Also, go through the following link. Its not that there cannot be exceptions, but it is mandatory for signatories to abide by it officially. So, any such purchase will have to be announced.

UN Register of Conventional Arms
 
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...At present, only Pakistan is believed to have expressed an interest in purchasing the FT-2000. But according to a source from Islamabad, even Pakistan is not considering importing the missile system at this stage. ......

Even the report I posted says that Pakistan at this stages is not interested in HQ-9. But owing to the Chinease effort to contain India by arming Pakistan it can be asumed that it will be landed in Pakistan today or tomorrow. If we always try to search in google we may land in fool's paradise....as they will not advertise their secret deals on internet.
our harpy /hArop UAV is made to take out S-300 type air defense systems

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/mi...orces/3632-uavs-ucavs-revolution-warfare.html
 

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These kind of deals cannot be hidden. Otherwise, Iran would have got the S-300 long back from Russia. Also, go through the following link. Its not that there cannot be exceptions, but it is mandatory for signatories to abide by it officially. So, any such purchase will have to be announced.

UN Register of Conventional Arms
We are really landing in fool's paradise.

Did that stop China in proliferating nuclear power to Pakistan?
 
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We are really landing in fool's paradise.

Did that stop China in proliferating nuclear power to Pakistan?
let's not get into useless legal issues, but discuss countering these deals;you are right shaheen most treaties like NPT and MCTR do not have mechanisms for enforcement as we have learned from our neighbors.
 

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We are really landing in fool's paradise.

Did that stop China in proliferating nuclear power to Pakistan?
Can you read? It is for conventional arms only.
AND
China proliferated before they signed the NPT in 1995. Go read up before shooting your mouth off.
 

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Well...keep on believing China will follow whatever they commit to International community. Neheru did trust them in 1962...result? Vajpayee went to Lahore in a bus aiming to wipe out hostality between India and Pakistan...result? Rogue states are rogue states ...doesnt matter whether they are signing anything or not. What is so unbelievable in Pakistan getting HQ-9 from China.
 

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What is so unbelievable in Pakistan getting HQ-9 from China.
They simply don't have the money to but any more stuff. :D Thats it.
They want to buy J-10s, more JF-17s, HDW subs, and what not, BUT they are surviving on American aid.
Otherwise half their populace would have starved to death.
 
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Well...keep on believing China will follow whatever they commit to International community. Neheru did trust them in 1962...result? Vajpayee went to Lahore in a bus aiming to wipe out hostality between India and Pakistan...result? Rogue states are rogue states ...doesnt matter whether they are signing anything or not. What is so unbelievable in Pakistan getting HQ-9 from China.
there is nothing unbelievable or exciting about getting reversed engineered junk.
 

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They simply don't have the money to but any more stuff. :D Thats it.
They want to buy J-10s, more JF-17s, HDW subs, and what not, BUT they are surviving on American aid.
Otherwise half their populace would have starved to death.
You know how Pakistan paying for the JF-17 ventures?

:sarcastic:

Through a loan from china.

Calculate a simple thing. If China manufacture a rifle and send a person to fight against India it will have to bear the cost of rifle as well as the soldiar. Instead if she gives it to Pakistan she will save the cost of soldiar atleast.

Pakistan is neither a friend nor a strategic partner of China but a puppet developed to contain India.
 
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You know how Pakistan paying for the JF-17 ventures?

:sarcastic:

Through a loan from china.

Calculate a simple thing. If China manufacture a rifle and send a person to fight against India it will have to bear the cost of rifle as well as the soldiar. Instead if she gives it to Pakistan she will save the cost of soldiar atleast.

Pakistan is neighther a friend nor a strategic partner of China but a puppet developed to contain India.
maybe we should develop our own puppet and do the same to them??
 

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