Small arms and Light Weapons

[militarysta]

http://www.coltkrotoszyn.pl/slideshow/FB_instrukcja_KBS_BERYL_17_11_2009_ver2.pdf

Beryl manual - good draws

 

[Twinblade]

Rotfl!

Liar liar pants on fire...

INSAS rifles outdated, not designed for long fight


Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine



Tracing INSAS failure



ROTFL so you where bubbling about spaceships and IBC'ms and "India stronk !1111!" but your country industry is unable to made propper working in cold climate rifle barrels
how phatetic!
first lern how to made barrels and working in -40 rifles then go to space
India industry stornk!1111!

Dear Polskatard,

Did your mother drop you by your head when you were young, because you do no have any modicum of comprehension skills. The Kargil war happened in 1999 and the CAG report came in 2001. Guess which rifle is still being used in Siachen ?
Is it AKM ?
Is it M4?
Is it Tavor ?

No, it's the INSAS. Indian army is no big fan of INSAS yet it hasn't replaced INSAS from Siachen. Why ? Because the rifle was fixed after user's feedback that's why. INSAS has only been replaced from counter insurgency roles by AKMs, largely due to stopping power of AKM, it's smaller size and it's lighter weight.


Here's your homework of the day. Find an image of Indian soldier at Siachen issued any other gun than INSAS. The only other rifle images you will find from Siachen are G3 and AKM from the Pakistani side and old Indian images of soldiers with FAL.

 

[militarysta]

Yet already proved by kunal sir how INSAS have better aim.
.

He provide nothing.

no gas regulator !

As I said - in AKM system weapons gas regulator in pointless.

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INSAS's barred have better quality than that of beryl's
.

No it hasn't - in eacht source about INSAS as mantra they are keyworlds: "bad quality" "quality problems" etc.
You can even check other users here, like Twinblade:
As a stop gap measure, barrels for INSAS were imported from Finland while the local production process was revised to rectify the metallurgy
See - even INSAS manufacurer was unable to produce good quality barrels!

 

[militarysta]

Dear Polskatard,

Did your mother drop you by your head when you were young, because you do no have any modicum of comprehension skills. The Kargil war happened in 1999 and the CAG report came in 2001. Guess which rifle is still being used in Siachen ?
Is it AKM ?
Is it M4?
Is it Tavor ?

No, it's the INSAS. Indian army is no big fan of INSAS yet it hasn't replaced INSAS from Siachen. Why ? Because the rifle was fixed after user's feedback that's why. INSAS has only been replaced from counter insurgency roles by AKMs, largely due to stopping power of AKM, it's smaller size and it's lighter weight.


Here's your homework of the day. Find an image of Indian soldier at Siachen issued any other gun than INSAS. The only other rifle images you will find from Siachen are G3 and AKM from the Pakistani side and old Indian images of soldiers with FAL.

ROTFL

read links. some of them are form 2011 or even 2013

FOB stonk !1111!!
FOB quality after two decades stonk !1111!

 

[Twinblade]

ROTFL

read links. some of them are form 2011 or even 2013

FOB stonk !1111!!
FOB quality after two decades stonk !1111!

The links may be new but the incidents they refer to are old. Just like there are hundreds and thousands of links with incomplete knowledge and anecdotes that come out annually stating that M-16 jams at the slightest introduction of dirt, while the M-16 has revised over the ages into a very reliable rifle and is hardly representative of the original M-16. Same with SA-80. You can take a brand new INSAS and compare it 2001 INSAS and you will refuse to believe that the are from the same manufacturer. Insas is one of the worst made products to come out of India, largely due to the horrible manufacturing by OFB which was making 20,000 rifle a month at the height of INSAS production. It's a fairly reliable design that was let down by horrible manufacturing. @Kunal Biswas has a higher opinion of INSAS because he uses mostly newer ones. Other users, not quite much.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

And we do in mass, Nothing on plant does that .. , We already been in space too ..

What is the defination of ' Clone ' , Something seems need to be re-written, Don`t troll ..

.first lern how to made barrels and working in -40 rifles then go to space

Both - Beryl and INSAS are AKM clones, of course Beryl whit minor and INSAS whit major difrencess.
The only difrence is that Beryl is working whithouts problems and now will be replace by MSBS...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Like i said, Don`t talk about shit you dont know anything about ..

He provide nothing.!

 

[militarysta]

@Twinblade

I agree whit that.
Im just unable to understand why FOB didn't improve quality decade ago...
INSAS indeed seems to be fine rifle - as developed in breaktrought 1980/1990 it was even more advanced then Beryl or other AKM clones.
But simple Beryl was introduced whit very hight quality and after that it was developed and improved again an agian. In fact only "base" from AKM is the same for Beryl from 1996 and Beryl from 2010. Rest is difrence becouse war in Irak and Afganistan forced seriously ergonomy improvment.
INSAS could take the same way, but it didn't. It's sad becouse quality is one problem (I understand that so big batches of INSAS where problemfull for FOB) but simple ergonomy improvmend is oher think.

Anyway - Beryl firstly was simple AKM clone whit hight quality and hight price. After decades it is even more exspensive but it's ergonomy is propably now the best from all AKM clones, and quality is still extremly hight.
INSAS from the begining was maybe close to AK in way of working but whit seriously changes -in fact whole idea looks more modern then erly Beryl. But quality problems "eat" any INSAS advantage :/ And INSAS wasnt seriously improved in ergonomy aspects. OK, in 1990 it was fine, but now 20yers ago stndard is diffrent.
Maybe FOW will mod.producet yet INSAS rifles?
IMHO quality and ergonomy flaws can be (and shoud be) improved while circa 700 000 - 900 000 rifles where produced.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I am impressed with New INSAS, But i was also the user of Old INSAS, There is other disinformation spreaded over net that INSAS had issues with cold and crack magazine in cold so does firing full auto, That issue was with few rifles in early batches which was hipped and every state media was simply coping ( Foreign lobby ), What i know that if such problem existed in mass it would have come in general reports, But none were made which ever reached HQ ..

@Kunal Biswas has a higher opinion of INSAS because he uses mostly newer ones. Other users, not quite much.

 

[militarysta]

Like i said, Don`t talk about shit you dont know about ..

Sure Kunal, 1,5% longer barrel in INSAS whit only diffrent ratio give mucht better result?
Whit (in)famous FOB quality? The same about ammo quality.
Maybe in perfect imagination world when INSAS and Beryl are made in swizterand whit swizterland ammo INSAS will have better accuracy, in reality I will not give a broken coin that INSAS have better accuracy then Bery whit only 1,5% longer barrel and whit only twist difrent ratio.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its getting boring, You don`t have any experince using ARs, Nor you don`t know how AR works nor have idea about there ballistics, Why should i give you a broken coin for your silly replies ..

Like i said, Don`t talk about shit you dont know anything about, Learn well than talk here and i recommend go to range and gather knowlage from you country professional in uniform not some tacticool civillain ..

Sure Kunal, 1,5% longer barrel in INSAS whit only diffrent ratio give mucht better result?Whit (in)famous FOB quality? The same about ammo quality. Maybe in perfect imagination world when INSAS and Beryl are made in swizterand whit swizterland ammo INSAS will have better accuracy, in reality I will not give a broken coin that INSAS have better accuracy then Bery whit only 1,5% longer barrel and whit only twist difrent ratio.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

another noob post , like beryl INSAS too had modification, so there is no difference, if it is, INSAS is way better than beryl

 

[militarysta]

another noob post , like beryl INSAS too had modification,

In serial rifle or as proposal?

so there is no difference, if it is, INSAS is way better than beryl

IMHO not, it's far to be name as "better"

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Just asking, Did you said that AK is not gas operated

IMHO not, it's far to be name as "better"

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

He said work on developing the
indigenous assault rifle has also been
put on the fast track. "There were
stoppages during the firing trials
conducted last month, but it is a part
of product development, and will be
come over," said the OFB chief.
.
.
Indian Army places first Small order for Indian Bofors | idrw.org
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[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Just asking, Did you said that AK is not gas operated

leave it sir, he is one of those who have vast reading problem

 

[Damian]

MSBS in 5,56x45mm family, presentation this month.

Variants from up to bottom: subcarbine, basic rifle (carbine), basic rifle (carbine) with underbarrel granade launcher, magazine fed light machien gun, marksman rifle.

Now work will be mostly focused on other callibers like 7,62x51mm and different armament systems based on MSBS like 12 gauge magazine fed shotgun. There also rumors about belt fed light machine gun variant for 5,56x45mm in the MSBS family.

 

[militarysta]

I don't know if topic is corret, but this program is strongly conected whit polish infanty soilders.

40 MM MULTI-SHOT GRENADE LAUNCHER RGP – 40

he 40 mm Multi-Shot Grenade Launcher RGP – 40 is a semi-automatic, six-shot weapon using 40 mm x 46 NATO grenades. It has an integral cartridge drum with six chambers with a length of 140 mm, which allows to use a wide variety of ammunition, including special types. The weapon is fully adapted both for right and left handed gunners. It is equipped with adjustable butt and universal mounting rail for attaching collimator sight. On the barrel cover there are three rails for mounting additional accessories. During the firing from the RGP – 40 it is possible to cover with fire an area of 20x60 meters in a few seconds at a distance of up to 400 m (600-800 m), without the loading the weapon. Taking into consideration weight, rate of fire and reliability, RGP – 40 is in the same class as the other similar grenade launchers produced in the world.

The 40 mm Multi-Shot Grenade Launcher RGP – 40 is intended to eliminate and disable manpower, destroy military devices, buildings, light armoured vehicles and create smokescreens and any other non-lethal actions.

Main characteristics:


high rate of fire,
effective range from 600m to 800 m (depending on ammunition type)
high accuracy,
high efficiency of firing,
low weight,
high manoeuvrability,
high quality of performance,
the possibility of using different types of ammunition.

3D viev under link:
40 mm multi-shot grenade launcher RGP – 40 | Small arms and remote weapon systems | Offer | ZM TARNÓW

 

[ladder]

'Minor' snags in all three desi AK-47s tested by Ordnance Factory Board

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...dnance-Factory-Board/articleshow/36117743.cms

 

[Twinblade]

@Kunal Biswas, I believe the soldiers are holding old Indian made AKMs in standard Indian leaf brown furniture ?