Small arms and Light Weapons

[SGOperative]

Nope, I'm saying that INSAS platform in general seems a better option among all other rifles currently serving the IA. Lesser recoil means better life expectancy of thermal optics and onboard chipset. Not to mention better range and higher precision than the AKs.

Infact I'm pretty sure few INSAS will still be kept in Army arsenal even after 203's induction just in case things go south.

LMGs would be kept i guess

 

[Whitecollar]

Apparently, Tanzanian People's defence force have bought Gilboa double barrel AR-15 rifle.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ja...ifles/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

 

[FalconSlayers]

Apparently, Tanzanian People's defence force have bought Gilboa double barrel AR-15 rifle.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ja...ifles/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

These will be manufactured in India as well by Werywin defence in a JV.

 

[FalconSlayers]

These will be manufactured in India as well by Werywin defence in a JV.

@The Shrike what’s funny?

 

[Lonewarrior]

@The Shrike what’s funny?
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Isn't everything funny about it?

Be it a double barrel assault rifle or the fact that Werwin Defence is hoping to get a contract from India Mil-LE. Cause the last time I checked, there was no 2nd Amendment here.

 

[Mangal]

Any update on 5.56 carbine tender?

 

[The Shrike]

@The Shrike what’s funny?
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What exactly is the use of of a twin barrel rifle?
Also have these guys manufactured even one firearm till date, they have a fancy catelogue but all of them end with this type of disclaimer.

Silver Shadow® and Gilboa® are registered trademarks of Silver Shadow Advanced Security Systems Limited, Israel (Silver Shadow) and Werywin Defence Private Limited (Werywin Defence) is authorized distributor of Silver Shadow for select Indian markets, The images, videos, content or any information shown on this website about Silver Shadow products are property of Silver Shadow and are used with permission of the owners of the content.

 

[Lonewarrior]

they have a fancy catalogue

Are you sure that they have it!?

Cause all I can see is that they simply picked up Lewis Machine and Tools from where it was left by SSS Defence.

 

[Johny_Baba]

What exactly is the use of of a twin barrel rifle?

Main purpose is to increase hit-probability by increased density of ammo fired at target,

I started writing the reply but it seems it would go quite long,
so just dropping some cue points and names,

read about
>Olin/Winchester SALVO program (there also was a parallel conventional+bullpup triple-barreled automatic rifle by Springfield, also part of SALVO program)
>Fletchette rounds
>Duplex,Triplex rounds etc
>American ACR program
>Soviet Programs, TKB-059, AO-63 and ABAKAN (result was AN-94 'Nikonov's Rifle') and so

and meanwhile try to correlate whole .30-06//7.62x51mm NATO vs .280/30 British (7x43mm), 6.8 APC//6.5 Grendel etc with all these...you might get some idea

 

[ManhattanProject]

I had handled and shot this weapon on few occasions . Its not that bad as it is said. Had scored some bulleye from 100 metres distance in lying position. Hadn't seen a single jamming or misfeed or anything like that during this time though had seen those in every other weapon i got a chance to handle like Bren, Insas, SLR, Carbine etc. Its not obsolete as u says is

Reliability isnt the only thing that decides if a weapon is obsolete or not. Ergonomics, modularity, optics and ease of mounting force multipliers is what makes a modern firearm. A self loading firearm like Ak47 isnt completely obsolete, look at the jihadis using them but a modern military deserves better.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Main purpose is to increase hit-probability by increased density of ammo fired at target,

I started writing the reply but it seems it would go quite long,
so just dropping some cue points and names,

read about
>Olin/Winchester SALVO program (there also was a parallel conventional+bullpup triple-barreled automatic rifle by Springfield, also part of SALVO program)
>Fletchette rounds
>Duplex,Triplex rounds etc
>American ACR program
>Soviet Programs, TKB-059, AO-63 and ABAKAN (result was AN-94 'Nikonov's Rifle') and so

and meanwhile try to correlate whole .30-06//7.62x51mm NATO vs .280/30 British (7x43mm), 6.8 APC//6.5 Grendel etc with all these...you might get some idea

It would have made sense if it had a single trigger to fire both rounds at once but it has two triggers which defeats the purpose.

 

[Haldilal]

It would have made sense if it had a single trigger to fire both rounds at once but it has two triggers which defeats the purpose.

Ya'll Nibbiars better get a Protable Mini Gatling Gun.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

@Haldilal, see what’s written on the thread and what you’ve put in the post. You forget to even name the right people

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars In TKB-0146, switching from one round semi automatic to fully automatic fire was accomplished by a secondary trigger located behind the main trigger. Squeezing the main trigger slightly, fired off a single round. Pulling it back fully, so that it pressed the secondary trigger, enabled fully automatic fire. Switching to the two-round burst mode was done by operating a different lever.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Ya'll Nibbiars In TKB-0146, switching from one round semi automatic to fully automatic fire was accomplished by a secondary trigger located behind the main trigger. Squeezing the main trigger slightly, fired off a single round. Pulling it back fully, so that it pressed the secondary trigger, enabled fully automatic fire. Switching to the two-round burst mode was done by operating a different lever.

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Progressive trigger is quite old of a mechanism. Right from early MGs and SMGs up until recent examples like AUG.

The only problem with this type of triggers is that once you're in the heat of battle, you always pull the trigger with full force and inadvertently empty your whole magazine on a single target.

 

[Whitecollar]

Main purpose is to increase hit-probability by increased density of ammo fired at target,

I started writing the reply but it seems it would go quite long,
so just dropping some cue points and names,

read about
>Olin/Winchester SALVO program (there also was a parallel conventional+bullpup triple-barreled automatic rifle by Springfield, also part of SALVO program)
>Fletchette rounds
>Duplex,Triplex rounds etc
>American ACR program
>Soviet Programs, TKB-059, AO-63 and ABAKAN (result was AN-94 'Nikonov's Rifle') and so

and meanwhile try to correlate whole .30-06//7.62x51mm NATO vs .280/30 British (7x43mm), 6.8 APC//6.5 Grendel etc with all these...you might get some idea

There are only 3 things I believe will make this platform inferior:
1. Extra mag storage: You'll have to make this weird big pouches infront of vest just to store the extra mags due to being tied up. It increases weight and may not be ergonomic at all. If not, separate mag reload takes more time(very risky in battle situation).
2. Awkward Reloading: Soldier may not be able to find magwell position while reloading few times. In the heat of a battle, reloading nightmare should be the last thing soldier should face.
3. Inaccuracy after 300-350mtr: Being dual barrel, windage is bound to effect both bullet's trajectory, pitch and yaw leading to lesser possibility of bullseye hit on a human size target at longer distances.
And I'm pretty sure firing it in AUTO on single barrel config should lead to unstable recoils.

 

[Johny_Baba]

There are only 3 things I believe will make this platform inferior:
1. Extra mag storage: You'll have to make this weird big pouches infront of vest just to store the extra mags due to being tied up. It increases weight and may not be ergonomic at all. If not, separate mag reload takes more time(very risky in battle situation).
2. Awkward Reloading: Soldier may not be able to find magwell position while reloading few times. In the heat of a battle, reloading nightmare should be the last thing soldier should face.
3. Inaccuracy after 300-350mtr: Being dual barrel, windage is bound to effect both bullet's trajectory, pitch and yaw leading to lesser possibility of bullseye hit on a human size target at longer distances.
And I'm pretty sure firing it in AUTO on single barrel config should lead to unstable recoils.

Of course, advantages and disadvantages with everything,
it was an early concept that was studied and declared not practical later on but it resulted in other lots of programs, you can say that us getting those UBGLs was an offshot-like thing from such programs etc

Tis' reasons why things like 2-3 round bursts, Hyperbursts, Duplex-Triplex Ammo, Flechettes, Cased Telescopic//Caseless Ammo, Computerised sighting systems etc happened due to one reason or other

 

[MisraZ]

Ofb could've done something similar, but it's too much to expect something from them

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The Gilboa is a Nerfgun.