Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine
I pretty sure now you don't have any experience in firearms. There are a lot of different type of 7.62. So the lack of basic understanding of caliber is pretty damning. Not only that you do not understand how basic 101 combat works. You keep using suppression in a different definition than it really is.
Let me stress to everyone here the 5.56x45 is the most lethal round of the three major immediate cartridge. Rank from lethal to less lethal: 5.56x45, 5.45x39, 7.62x39. 7.62x39 is the worst in terms of lethal. It also have less range than the other two.
5.56x45 does not need to fragmentation to incapacitate a person. Fragmentation is a bonus. Fragmentation increase the chance of incapacitation. Remember other rounds like 5.45x39, 7.62x51NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, etc does not fragmentate.
Know any Russian complaining 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 not lethal enough? The Russians like both 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 but they are less lethal than the 5.56. Again the reason why so much complaining about how weak the 5.56 is is due to Americans. When Americans compare 5.56 it not comparing it to other immediate cartridge. They are comparing to battle rifle cartridge.
Americans don't want "assault rifles". They want to switch back to battle rifle that chamber the biggest round humanly possible to carry. They want a caliber that can one shot Godzilla but you know what they going to shoot 10 more rounds into him. Overkill is not enough for Americans. That's how Americans thinks.
7.62x51NATO is the standard battler rifle cartridge. It's a very powerful round. Do you know what American think about it? Weak. Very weak for a battle rifle cartridge. When American military sniper had a chance to switch they went away from the "weak" 7.62x51NATO and gone with .300WM (Winchester Magnum).
Let me tell you about this round because I own a rifle chamber it. The .300WM is a very power round. So powerful that around 1000 rounds of slow fire (barrel cool down before another shot) it will need to change the barrel due to erosion. The faster you shoot before barrel cool down the faster the erosion. Now lets talk about pain. It very painful to shoot a .300WM. Within 20 shot or so you will feel it all week long and that's wearing a shoulder pad to take some punishment out of the recoil. .300WM only meet the minimum standard of American Snipers. They actually want an even more powerful round that hurt them even more. You know nothing more than dislocating a shoulder on the first round is enough Americans. Everything less than that is pussy.
Level 3 armor will protect you against at least one 7.62 @ 2780 fps which is 2575 ft.lbs of energy. Basically it design to protect one 7.62x51NATO round (M90). The video from below is rated at level 3. The test below use M193 which is a lead ball (.55gr) and M855 which is steel core (62gr) penetrator. Both 5.56 and use by the US military. Notice how much damage M193 does? Remember level 3 armor will protect you from a battle rifle round that travel 2789fps or lower. It won't protect you from a 5.56 going over 3200fps.
This is the same type of plate was use on the video. Notice the hole on the paper? The plate like all plates was shot by one round of M90 (7.62x51NATO) before shipping. It shows the buyer the plate they are buying passed the test.
You can buy the body armor here.
If you are pretty sure that I have no connection with firearms, just check the avatar. Me with the President at Kargil. I was merely sightseeing, right? And competent to brief the President, who was then not the President, but the Head of the Delegation.
I have explained that suppression is not pooping of ammunition, but keep the enemy's head down so that he cannot shoot, but at the same time, not expend ammunition foolishly and then look back for replenishment which is damned difficult when in action. Only a person who has been in combat will understand.
I find it futile to elaborate on ammunition to a person who has no idea what it can do.
For your information, I have the Indian equivalent of the US 'Purple Heart'. I am aware what a bullet can do.
As far as the US goes, overkill is no problem and they are also very allergic to bodybags too and so they shoot first and then ask questions. That is why they fail everywhere. Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan are just a few. Great hygpe and come out like damp squibs with all the so called 'overkill'.
When one is on a mission, one is there to succeed and not return as lost cows at dusk.
Yes, all suppression and no result!
