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When picking a gun, what would your primary consideration be?


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I have heard of A variant of the FAST helmet made by US and how it saved a US special forces trooper from a 7.62 round.and also a french SF guy but those helmets are costly don't know about any one from indian vendors
There is no helmet that can stop 7.62×39 that too mid steel or high it may deflect and the above cases are exceptions maybe due to angle not to mention the quality of ammunition these sf guys got hit by .
Patka is thick a steel wrapped around its really uncomfortable if yu have worn one but will save yur life don't know about the trauma
 

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The multicaliber idea was proposed by army in 2011-12 and junked by army itself in 2016-17. The biggest casualty of this decision was the DRDO MCIWS rifle.

There is no scope for multi-caliber returning in army planning in the near future.
What we need is standardization of caliber. IA has already gone for 72K Sigs and a repeat order of another 72K is pending (due to funds cruch).

In parallel, the AK-203 project was introduced but that is stuck in limbo and is unlikely to make any progress despite what desi dalal reporters wants us to beleive. It will go the Kamov way for near future and finally cancelled like FGFA.

So bettter option is cancel the AK-203 overall, and order more 7.62*51 mm rifles (we have multiple desi options right now) for the main battle rifle; and 5.56*45 mm rifle for carbine needs (OFB's Sig 550 clone is the prime contender in that).
 

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Guys, I made a Ak47 Chambered in 7.62x54r for Make in India, for under $300. Its got a 16 inch barrel and is tested for 19000 rounds. I make the receivers from steel myself and used surplus parts and barrels but I also have chrome lines self made barrels made through a tool a die company that contributes to my effort. I am ready to supply this to the Indian armed forced but how can I even attempt this. I own the machines and the tooling along with enough half made receivers to supply 12000 units.
Bro can you please post some photos?
 

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The multicaliber idea was proposed by army in 2011-12 and junked by army itself in 2016-17. The biggest casualty of this decision was the DRDO MCIWS rifle.

There is no scope for multi-caliber returning in army planning in the near future.
What we need is standardization of caliber. IA has already gone for 72K Sigs and a repeat order of another 72K is pending (due to funds cruch).

In parallel, the AK-203 project was introduced but that is stuck in limbo and is unlikely to make any progress despite what desi dalal reporters wants us to beleive. It will go the Kamov way for near future and finally cancelled like FGFA.

So bettter option is cancel the AK-203 overall, and order more 7.62*51 mm rifles (we have multiple desi options right now) for the main battle rifle; and 5.56*45 mm rifle for carbine needs (OFB's Sig 550 clone is the prime contender in that).
How come there is seemingly no followup to the SIG "emergency" import for their frontline troops? At a minimum at last 400K rifles would be required no, and only 140K have been procured/ or in the pipeline. Did the Army go back to sleep on its longterm plans or are they regretting the move to 7.62*51 mm (maybe looking at all those cool videos about NGSW is giving them buyers remorse).
 

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Guys, I made a Ak47 Chambered in 7.62x54r for Make in India, for under $300. Its got a 16 inch barrel and is tested for 19000 rounds. I make the receivers from steel myself and used surplus parts and barrels but I also have chrome lines self made barrels made through a tool a die company that contributes to my effort. I am ready to supply this to the Indian armed forced but how can I even attempt this. I own the machines and the tooling along with enough half made receivers to supply 12000 units.
I like your idea but two things,
>7.62x54mm R is a kind of ammo that is not suitable much for box-fed magazine of 20+ rounds capacity due to the ;taper; and rimmed structure, magazine would start curving like a thick banana and literally no commonality exist there here except perhaps Dragunov rifle, so that's a thing,
>AK design for full length battle rifle configuration hhmm ? already demerits of the design are discussed here in great length and giving to Indian Army has already gotten a better design like SIG in hands there are less chances for its success here, 'specially in that calibre

My personal recommendation to you is,
> Pick Up Dragunov like design if you still want to follow Kalashnikov-ish design i.e. that is to provide short-stroke gas system design to AK style bolt+bolt carrier combination sans gas piston
> Rather than 7.62x54mmR offer it in 7.62x51mm NATO, preferebly feeding from 1A SLR pattern magazines
then your design culd be a good competitor to what OFB was offering, that R-2 rifle
 

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Guys, I made a Ak47 Chambered in 7.62x54r for Make in India, for under $300. Its got a 16 inch barrel and is tested for 19000 rounds. I make the receivers from steel myself and used surplus parts and barrels but I also have chrome lines self made barrels made through a tool a die company that contributes to my effort. I am ready to supply this to the Indian armed forced but how can I even attempt this. I own the machines and the tooling along with enough half made receivers to supply 12000 units.
Just curious, why 7.62x54r and not 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 NATO?
 

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@Johny_Baba and others what do you think?
Rememeber old post of yours where a Sig rep was making claims that their NGSW-R design, the SIG MCX Spear was supposed to be a multi-calibre design so with some basic parts changes like barrel, bolt carrier etc one can make it adopt to other calibre etc and HOW PARTS COMMONALITY IS THERE BETWEEN MCX SPEAR AND CURRENT MCX etc...i dissed him citing how MCX Spear differs internally from what original MCX design used to be etc etc, citing all those blueprints and so, so highly unlikely that MCX Spear could be having all these etc...

but even before this current NGSW-R design came in existence they actually had plans for upscaling normal MCX rifle design and offer it in multiple calibre configuration it seems, but predominantly as a long range DMR-ish rifle,
sources = https://www.recoilweb.com/recoil-exclusive-sig-sauer-csass-the-mcx-mr-65405.html

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bas, similar thing here i believe i.e. they might have/had plans to make SIG 516/716 multicalibre series with different calibre offerings for both platforms having minimum parts changes (most commonly barrel+barrel extension + bolt carrier + magazines in some cases etc) , and since previous SIG716 also shared similar gas system as there was there on SIG516 (i.e. short stroke gas piston one) that was also a logical way forward...

...but then many things happen in between, like they lost this contract for DMR to H&K G28 derivative and so, could've resulted in dropping of these krantikaari ideas and they went back to basics with SIG16i and MCX Spear being offered in next gen calibre only etc to prevent potential losses if other design is selected etc, i believe...
 

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Guys, I made a Ak47 Chambered in 7.62x54r for Make in India, for under $300. Its got a 16 inch barrel and is tested for 19000 rounds. I make the receivers from steel myself and used surplus parts and barrels but I also have chrome lines self made barrels made through a tool a die company that contributes to my effort. I am ready to supply this to the Indian armed forced but how can I even attempt this. I own the machines and the tooling along with enough half made receivers to supply 12000 units.
Change the market, PERIOD

A plan to sell small arms to Indian Government will only results in infinite "Are you f-ing kidding me!?" moments, extreme frustration and severe depression.
 

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The Ashbury defence group plan of license manufacturing Colt assault rifles looks promising.

We already have desi options of AK-47 pattern rifles. We need desi options for AR series rifles too.

Recent report in the media is claiming that Pakis are planning a license production of Turkish MPT-76 rifles (HK-417 clone). The move is most likely aimed as a response to Sig-716i induction in Indian army.

Now, the order of second batch of 72k Sig-716i is held up due to price issue. Thus we need more desi options in AR series rifles to counter old G-3s and future MPT-76 in paki inventory.
 

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Colt is already sold to CZ arms. The question is from whom is Ashbury getting license to manufacture.
Also, is the license extends to all of Colt's models on only on selected ones. Because Colt CM901 series is a very promising multi-caliber platform.

Also, does this license manufacturing means just assembling of knocked down parts, or all up manufacturing from raw materials stage?
 

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