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When picking a gun, what would your primary consideration be?


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Johny_Baba

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@Johny_Baba can you please give us a little insight into the ASMI? Regarding its mechanism, internals, advantages and disadvantages etc?
already provided my brief overview in previous post bro, although since then i've found that in some places i was inaccurate regd Asmi's design (mainly about its fire selector which is placed at other place) so don't take it exactly at face value but my overall assessment is here...
Wow,what a day!
First LCA Deal getting cemented and this Asmi 'Machine Pistol' revealed (i'd rather call it a SubMachine Gun owning to its size,it's perhaps same sized as JVPC in terms of length i believe but anyway)

This is my initial observations from available pics,View attachment 73665
from initial observation i can say they have made two prototypes, I'll call that black one as version A and one in hand of good soldier with sandy finish as version B for current reference, A has shorter barrel and frame than B.

One thing is sure to me - these aren't simple "Glock Conversion" kits despite appearing like one and taking standard glock mags (even pistol grip is modeled after it) BECAUSE barrel is fixed on the receiver while Glock is a short-recoil pistol whose barrel locks-unlocks with sliding frame and tilts around - doesn't seem to be the case here. This pattern of fixing barrel;actually Barrel Extension or Barrel Trunnion; ,(possibly) Non-Reciprocating Charging Handle of this pattern and monolithic upper receiver makes me think someone took inspiration from FN SCAR + HK MP7 and build a machine pistol-SMG thing outta it, bravo!
 

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BTW reminder since many may have not heard about it or simply forgotten,

before came Asmi we had our own MP5 clone project named "Anamika"
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and even after that we had a side project of JVPC in 9mm, although there seems to be only one tiny pic on it so full confirmation for same could not be given but still...
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so yeah, it's not that we need to import phoren SMGs like MP9, Uzi or even SIG MCX here...

@[email protected] bhai you know anything what happened to Anamika and 9mm JVPC ?
 

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BTW reminder since many may have not heard about it or simply forgotten,

before came Asmi we had our own MP5 clone project named "Anamika"
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and even after that we had a side project of JVPC in 9mm, although there seems to be only one tiny pic on it so full confirmation for same could not be given but still...
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so yeah, it's not that we need to import phoren SMGs like MP9, Uzi or even SIG MCX here...

@[email protected] bhai you know anything what happened to Anamika and 9mm JVPC ?
As far as open source information, Anamika was developed post 26/11 time frame, when H&K refused to do buiseness with some states of India, citing human rights concern. It was even showcased by OFB in some Arms exhibitions.
However, since 2013-14, H&K has resumed buiseness. In addition, our armed forces and police have discovered MP-7 from B&T. Thus Anamika got sidelined.

As far as JVPC is concerned, last heard news was that it cleared Army trials in December 2020. However, no formal order have been placed by Army yet.
 

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As far as open source information, Anamika was developed post 26/11 time frame, when H&K refused to do buiseness with some states of India, citing human rights concern. It was even showcased by OFB in some Arms exhibitions.
However, since 2013-14, H&K has resumed buiseness. In addition, our armed forces and police have discovered MP-7 from B&T. Thus Anamika got sidelined.

As far as JVPC is concerned, last heard news was that it cleared Army trials in December 2020. However, no formal order have been placed by Army yet.
Used by CRPF Kashmir valley QAT.
 

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to secure the pin. i heard some where that the pins sometimes are loose and fall while handling.
What?
I've seen in a video that a grenade pin can knock your teeth out if you try to unpin it with your mouth like in the movies
 

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What?
I've seen in a video that a grenade pin can knock your teeth out if you try to unpin it with your mouth like in the movies
:)
i dont know about teeth and movies. There are some articles that say its not ideal to tape the grenade but some people say that these grenades recovered from terrorists are not safe and could go off accidentally.
 

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@Johny_Baba need some help
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Which is that one ugly looking pistol mag at top left corner-ish
The press release said 8 pistols and 5 AKs recovered from the 72'd militants(unfortunately no better pictures)
mag of one of those darra made 7.62x25mm variant of AK ?
Yeh lo @Hariharan_kalarikkal mystery solved, not even mag of an AK copy, it's rather from an obscure gun as shown here...
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...so what exactly is it ?
well this shit,
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...an obscure (machine ?) pistol based on Mauser C96,
as if C96 and 1911 had a bastard child 😏
...and as if that wasn't enough, some of them were also given AK pattern underfolding buttstock
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so there you have it, it's one of darra made pistol in .30 cal (7.62x25mm most likely, although markings here indicate it is in 7.63 x 25mm ? seems highly unlikely though) with possible full auto capability on it

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Yeh lo @Hariharan_kalarikkal mystery solved, not even mag of an AK copy, it's rather from an obscure gun as shown here...
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...so what exactly is it ?
well this shit,
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...an obscure (machine ?) pistol based on Mauser C96,
as if C96 and 1911 had a bastard child 😏
...and as if that wasn't enough, some of them were also given AK pattern underfolding buttstock
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so there you have it, it's one of darra made pistol in .30 cal (7.62x25mm most likely, although markings here indicate it is in 7.63 x 25mm ? seems highly unlikely though) with possible full auto capability on it

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some more pics

>made in germmany 😏 yeah totally
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bhaee you can easily google such things, just try to find yourself first...
I tried reddit and even american gun forums but most of them that there is a weight increase and FN does tiny twerks on the gun and makes it into a new variant
 

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