Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[AMCA]

They don't look like Tunnels to store ammunition or equipment this is as of Feb 2018

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Thanks for correction............I thought these were tunnels because of the shadow in the last 2 circles of the image I posted.

 

[Tanmay]

They don't look like Tunnels to store ammunition or equipment this is as of Feb 2018

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Seemed like parking or turning areas. Perhaps for the long trucks/ constructio. Eqpt or store construction materials turn back

 

[roma]

Really? The propaganda spewed out by the CPC is mind blowing! And you seem to have lapped it up lock, stock, and barrel! The IA/Indian govt held their ground and the Chinese backed off by stopping all road construction work at the 'disputed' area. The confiscated construction wherewithal was only then returned by the IA to the Chinese.

They will wait for modi to step down and this is one reason Xi's position was lifted. Not today but after 8-12 years they will do something. They are awaiting a weak government of coalitions to come.

this guy SHE jipi is some kind of ultra nationalist from the mao era

he is v concerned about border areas and taking back

main area of concern is SCS , 2nd taiwan and after tha perhaps doklam
but doklam is easier than taiwan because taiwan is backed by usa and doklam is not

they think long term 10 years is nothing much for them
and although neither india nor the world revolve around modi i agree that they are looking for a weak goi when they will pounce and it will all be over in a matter of days before the new goi can even work out a policy

they want to cut off the north east via cutting the silguri land isthmus

we are always on the defensive ..... when will the day come when we take some offensive and push them against the walls instead ??

 

[Screambowl]

The world doesn't revolve around Modi

Global leaders support eachother during their elections. Currently every one is ultranationalist be it Trump, Putin, Or Xi. No doubt if Putin get's the title of Father of the Modern Russia.

 

[Screambowl]

I was talking about equipment, weapons, technology and gear etc dear brother. Sure the news you have posted today is also a major policy change by China

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PLA equips ground unit along Indian border with US army-style combat gear: Report





China has equipped a branch of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) deployed along the Indian border with a powerful US-style integrated individual soldier combat system to prepare for a future "informatised warfare", a media report has said.

Informatised warfare, a term widely used by the Chinese military in recent years refers to the use of IT, digital and artificial intelligence applications in battlefield conditions.


Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/63042343.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

They have an industry which supplies them. They have deployed UCAV which is must for a Hill battle field even ch*tiya Pakistan has it. India has none. Apart from SF others are not trained to use such techie stuff and gear and that's due to the lack of availability of technology in home. There is no other reason for this. Because you can't procure few hundred thousand in a go. China can. Where you get go pro cams for just few thousand rupees.

 

[Mikesingh]

this guy SHE jipi is some kind of ultra nationalist from the mao era

they want to cut off the north east via cutting the silguri land isthmus. we are always on the defensive ..... when will the day come when we take some offensive and push them against the walls instead ??

I don't know why we are so alarmed about the Chinks cutting off the Siliguri corridor. It's easier said than done and will be suicide for the PLA to try and do so.

Here's why.

Can The PLA Cut Off The Siliguri Corridor?

Much has been said about PLA cutting off the Siliguri Corridor called the Chicken’s Neck from Doklam Basin Tri Junction area in the event of war with India, thereby cutting off North East India. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Let’s see why it is tactically and strategically unfeasible.

I will mainly touch upon the logistics angle.

During wartime logistical practice at the operational (or theater) level of war is in many ways the most critical. At higher levels of policy and grand strategy, logistic decisions generally revolve around force composition and destination. Once the political-military decision-making occurs, logisticians need to figure out how to get the materiel that their forces will need to the theater or theaters where those forces are to be committed.

They must also plan to build up the infrastructure in the theater to a point where the materiel can be distributed to the troops with regularity. It is this intermediate level at which much of the true heavy lifting occurs when it comes to logistic issues. A lack of infrastructure in a theater or the inability to create such infrastructure can greatly handicap tactical re-supply and thus cripple military efforts.

China is proceeding through a very narrow strip of land as it stretches its military presence towards India, it leaves it very vulnerable to artillery shelling and air attacks from either Sikkim or Bhutan. If Indian aerial and artillery assaults are carried out effectively on the Chinese supply lines easily identified in the Chumbi valley stretched in a linear North-South direction, it would reduce PLA’s capabilities to fight to an extent that it would become untenable for the PLA to advance any further.

This was one of the reasons why the Chinese withdrew from Arunachal Pradesh in the 1962 war with India as they ran out of supplies. All this nonsense coming out from the Chinese that they withdrew because their aim was only to ‘teach India a lesson’ is so much hogwash. During the later part of the conflict the Chinese troops had no water and drank from dirty streams causing disease and death. They even came down to eating shrubs and grass to survive and ran out of ammunition, according to extracts from the Henderson Brooks Report on the Sino Indian war of 1962.

Though logistics have improved considerably, it is still extremely difficult to wage even a limited war in mountainous terrain against a well armed and entrenched adversary.

The combat ratio needed for an offensive in mountains is 1:9 meaning the PLA would need approximately nine divisions to attack one Indian mountain division. There are three divisions, 17, 27 and 20 Mountain Divisions under 33 Corps in the general area of Sikkim – Bhutan. The PLA would need at least twenty or more divisions to capture this area!

Now, providing logistics to these Chinese Divisions would be an uphill task (pun unintended!) Each attacking division needs a daily tonnage of approximately 600 tons of ammunition, food, water, medical equipment, spares, fuel, etc to prosecute an offensive. There would therefore be a need for constructing a two way road through mountainous terrain to the Doklam/Bhutan sector. But then, that would be easier said than done as this road will be continuously interdicted by Indian arty and air attacks. Their forward logistics bases would be interdicted too. They would require 600 x 1-ton trucks daily, operating 24x7 to supply just one division over a tenuous road link over mountainous terrain. Whether road space for this is available is the moot question. Further, deployablilty around the Chumbi Valley being restricted due to the terrain configuration, it would be impossible to employ more than one division for an offensive. This is way below the combat ratio needed for an offensive against Indian troops deployed in the area which is 9:1.

That was up to the Doklam sector. Now let’s delve ahead. Assume the extreme case of the PLA succeeding in capturing and holding the Chumbi Valley and its shoulders. The distance as the crow flies from there to the Chicken’s Neck area is 20kms. A road winding along the mountains would be near 50kms. Even if they have a class 9 road building capability of 1 km a day, it would take approx 50 days to complete the road!

However, this road will be continuously interdicted by the Indian Air Force as well as artillery suitably deployed to destroy the road infrastructure as well as the PLA’s forward logistics bases along this axis. As mentioned earlier, even one PLA division will find it near impossible to launch an offensive into the Siliguri corridor along this tenuous line of communication. The PLA would need at least 20 divisions for an offensive to cut the Chicken’s neck from Doklam/Tri Junction.

In the near impossible scenario of some PLA formations succeeding in entering the Siliguri corridor, they would be cut off and disintegrate sooner than later. It would not be possible for the PLA to sustain this offensive.

In a nutshell it will be impossible for the PLA to even pose a threat to the Siliguri corridor.

 

[Bornubus]

They have an industry which supplies them. They have deployed UCAV which is must for a Hill battle field even ch*tiya Pakistan has it. India has none. Apart from SF others are not trained to use such techie stuff and gear and that's due to the lack of availability of technology in home. There is no other reason for this. Because you can't procure few hundred thousand in a go. China can. Where you get go pro cams for just few thousand rupees.

Except armed.

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The Indian drone that crashed in China could be a goldmine for Chinese weapons engineers
AVM MANMOHAN BAHADUR (RETD)

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-the-...nds-they-would-strip-it-for-technology/20975/

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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Two front war is not a wish but a worst case scenarion for which our armed forces are preparing. Those who bluffs without understanding must keep thin in mind.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I don't know why we are so alarmed about the Chinks cutting off the Siliguri corridor. It's easier said than done and will be suicide for the PLA to try and do so.

Here's why.

Can The PLA Cut Off The Siliguri Corridor?

Much has been said about PLA cutting off the Siliguri Corridor called the Chicken’s Neck from Doklam Basin Tri Junction area in the event of war with India, thereby cutting off North East India. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Let’s see why it is tactically and strategically unfeasible.

I will mainly touch upon the logistics angle.

During wartime logistical practice at the operational (or theater) level of war is in many ways the most critical. At higher levels of policy and grand strategy, logistic decisions generally revolve around force composition and destination. Once the political-military decision-making occurs, logisticians need to figure out how to get the materiel that their forces will need to the theater or theaters where those forces are to be committed.

They must also plan to build up the infrastructure in the theater to a point where the materiel can be distributed to the troops with regularity. It is this intermediate level at which much of the true heavy lifting occurs when it comes to logistic issues. A lack of infrastructure in a theater or the inability to create such infrastructure can greatly handicap tactical re-supply and thus cripple military efforts.

China is proceeding through a very narrow strip of land as it stretches its military presence towards India, it leaves it very vulnerable to artillery shelling and air attacks from either Sikkim or Bhutan. If Indian aerial and artillery assaults are carried out effectively on the Chinese supply lines easily identified in the Chumbi valley stretched in a linear North-South direction, it would reduce PLA’s capabilities to fight to an extent that it would become untenable for the PLA to advance any further.

This was one of the reasons why the Chinese withdrew from Arunachal Pradesh in the 1962 war with India as they ran out of supplies. All this nonsense coming out from the Chinese that they withdrew because their aim was only to ‘teach India a lesson’ is so much hogwash. During the later part of the conflict the Chinese troops had no water and drank from dirty streams causing disease and death. They even came down to eating shrubs and grass to survive and ran out of ammunition, according to extracts from the Henderson Brooks Report on the Sino Indian war of 1962.

Though logistics have improved considerably, it is still extremely difficult to wage even a limited war in mountainous terrain against a well armed and entrenched adversary.

The combat ratio needed for an offensive in mountains is 1:9 meaning the PLA would need approximately nine divisions to attack one Indian mountain division. There are three divisions, 17, 27 and 20 Mountain Divisions under 33 Corps in the general area of Sikkim – Bhutan. The PLA would need at least twenty or more divisions to capture this area!

Now, providing logistics to these Chinese Divisions would be an uphill task (pun unintended!) Each attacking division needs a daily tonnage of approximately 600 tons of ammunition, food, water, medical equipment, spares, fuel, etc to prosecute an offensive. There would therefore be a need for constructing a two way road through mountainous terrain to the Doklam/Bhutan sector. But then, that would be easier said than done as this road will be continuously interdicted by Indian arty and air attacks. Their forward logistics bases would be interdicted too. They would require 600 x 1-ton trucks daily, operating 24x7 to supply just one division over a tenuous road link over mountainous terrain. Whether road space for this is available is the moot question. Further, deployablilty around the Chumbi Valley being restricted due to the terrain configuration, it would be impossible to employ more than one division for an offensive. This is way below the combat ratio needed for an offensive against Indian troops deployed in the area which is 9:1.

That was up to the Doklam sector. Now let’s delve ahead. Assume the extreme case of the PLA succeeding in capturing and holding the Chumbi Valley and its shoulders. The distance as the crow flies from there to the Chicken’s Neck area is 20kms. A road winding along the mountains would be near 50kms. Even if they have a class 9 road building capability of 1 km a day, it would take approx 50 days to complete the road!

However, this road will be continuously interdicted by the Indian Air Force as well as artillery suitably deployed to destroy the road infrastructure as well as the PLA’s forward logistics bases along this axis. As mentioned earlier, even one PLA division will find it near impossible to launch an offensive into the Siliguri corridor along this tenuous line of communication. The PLA would need at least 20 divisions for an offensive to cut the Chicken’s neck from Doklam/Tri Junction.

In the near impossible scenario of some PLA formations succeeding in entering the Siliguri corridor, they would be cut off and disintegrate sooner than later. It would not be possible for the PLA to sustain this offensive.

In a nutshell it will be impossible for the PLA to even pose a threat to the Siliguri corridor.

The most important thing here is that even if chicken neck is cut (Assumed), India shall always have an option to reach there through Bangladesh which we can use in special case.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Pakistani Army planting IEDs at their own posts to counter India
http://indiandefencenews.info/pakistani-army-planting-ieds-at-their-own-posts-to-counter-india/

assume, kitni ftti hogi............

 

[indiatester]

Except armed.

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The Indian drone that crashed in China could be a goldmine for Chinese weapons engineers
AVM MANMOHAN BAHADUR (RETD)

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-the-...nds-they-would-strip-it-for-technology/20975/

Why did the idiots fly it into China in the first place when they were so vulnerable?
Either the "goldmine" case is not true, or the one who allowed such a system to be acquired and operated is an idiot.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

What two front war?

Did China intervene in 1965, 1971 or 1999?

When was the last shot fired on India-China border?

Is there even a smidgen of evidence that Chinis will intervene militarily if their RANDI will start getting buttfucked?


Instead of answering these simple questions, people regardless of the uniform they wear are engaging in mumbo jumbo.

The height of stupidity is that people bluff anything about 2 front war. 2 front was is not a doctrine or plan of Indian armed forces but it is a worst case scenario for which armed forces want to prepare. People are bluffing as if India army is planning to attack Pakistan and china together. It is a stupidity from core.

 

[indus]

Wont cutting off the Siliguri corridor amount to another level of escalation. I assume in that case our forces will also cross LAC and open other flanks where Chinese are geographically weak. We shld start thinking in asymmetric terms as to how to fight with China.
I would like to get insights abt the options that we have, to blunt Chinese attack.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Wont cutting off the Siliguri corridor amount to another level of escalation. I assume in that case our forces will also cross LAC and open other flanks where Chinese are geographically weak. We shld start thinking in asymmetric terms as to how to fight with China.
I would like to get insights abt the options that we have, to blunt Chinese attack.

I think it other way. If we have so much of location advantage in this area then if china attacks us some where else, we should open a front here.

 

[Screambowl]

Wont cutting off the Siliguri corridor amount to another level of escalation. I assume in that case our forces will also cross LAC

Siliguri is very far from doklam.
It takes close to 7-9 hours by road from siliguri to reach Doklam. It's seems as if this is a small area but when it comes to crossing the siliguri corridor, it's huge.

Secondly the only strategic point visible from Doklam is the Indian army's own forward positions and on the east Bhutan border guards positions.

In no way Chine can come beyond 10-15 kms, which is the worst case scenario, either Indian side or Bhutense, they can't fight on both fronts if they want to penetrate. If they do so they will be sitting ducks. Because Their only route to doklam is S204 Highway on it's west is India and on east is Bhutan. Other paved ways can be easily cut off from North Sikkim and North Haa district of Bhutan. This is why Chinese have also called it Disputed.

They will lose the Chumbi valley and Yadong valley if they try any misadventure. They are already surrounded on three sides.

This is why China wants to show aggression and be on top of the plateau as they fear loss of Big chunk of territory there.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Damn did everyone in india turn off their brains when india was formed

Why didn't we ask for Rangpur area in our map at the time of independence.

Even during 1971 we should have negotiated for some land in Rangpur

If and only of instead of Nehru we had Vallab Bhai Patel in its place we would have Never give up Kashmir, coco island, Kabaw valley and some areas in Cholistan

 

[indiatester]

Siliguri is very far from doklam.
It takes close to 7-9 hours by road from siliguri to reach Doklam. It's seems as if this is a small area but when it comes to crossing the siliguri corridor, it's huge.

Secondly the only strategic point visible from Doklam is the Indian army's own forward positions and on the east Bhutan border guards positions.

In no way Chine can come beyond 10-15 kms, which is the worst case scenario, either Indian side or Bhutense, they can't fight on both fronts if they want to penetrate. If they do so they will be sitting ducks. Because Their only route to doklam is S204 Highway on it's west is India and on east is Bhutan. Other paved ways can be easily cut off from North Sikkim and North Haa district of Bhutan. This is why Chinese have also called it Disputed.

They will lose the Chumbi valley and Yadong valley if they try any misadventure. They are already surrounded on three sides.

This is why China wants to show aggression and be on top of the plateau as they fear loss of Big chunk of territory there.

Whats with your signature?........................

 

[Screambowl]

Whats with your signature?........................

signature is a fact!
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Why didn't we ask for Rangpur area in our map at the time of independence.

Because they did not want to be with India during 1947. Muslim population is in majority. And it's good it's not there because then West bengal will have only Muslim Population and that in future would be serious threat.

Nehru's idea was to have a Hindu India too in disguise, yeh mahtama gandhi was the one who stopped Muslims. Tabhi to mara Godse ne usse.

 

[mayfair]

Nehru's idea was to have a Hindu India too in disguise, yeh mahtama gandhi was the one who stopped Muslims. Tabhi to mara Godse ne usse.

Actually it was Ambedkar who advocated a complete exchange of populations and Sardar Patel was willing to provide all administrative support to ensure that.

We lost a lot of non-Muslim majority areas during partition- Tharpakar and Umerkot in Sindh, Karachi city, Chittagong Hill Tracts etc.

We lost a large chunk of non-Muslim populated areas in East Bengal, largely due to the shenanigans on one man- Jogendra Nath Mandal, who whitewashed a large chunk of Bengali Hindus to side with Pakistan, then when things turned sour, he escaped to India (he died in Kolkata), while leaving the Hindu population behind to the wolves.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Know Thy Enemy.......................................


Totality.