Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Bhadra]

Because no one likes them , Arabs , Turks , Persians look down on them and think they are converted muslims hence impure while Christians already hate all muzzies due to their bloody history , similarly with the Hindus , Hindus were always the elites during British era and even before that

It is all well to say "them" today. But what you describe was a Time when they were Hindus / Hindi / Indi first for the Persian and Arabs and coverts later. Or even if converted they were Indi slaves irrespective of religion.

It was Indian women who were sold and raped, it was indians who were chained and enslaved. Conversion took place in due course but converted ones were not spared. What successive Muslims did during their thousand attacks or campaigns in India were to behead the existing Muslim / Hindu rulers and establish their own rule for plunder. Even the rule over Delhi changed like that irrespective of religious denomination.

Can you give me e few examples when any Muslim invader spared a Muslim local ruler or population from being raped, plundered, enslaved or not included amongst the heap of heads ? Were Muslims on route to Somnath spared ?

 

[Deathstar]

It is all well to say "them" today. But what you describe was a Time when they were Hindus / Hindi / Indi first for the Persian and Arabs and coverts later. Or even if converted they were Indi slaves irrespective of religion.

It was Indian women who were sold and raped, it was indians who were chained and enslaved. Conversion took place in due course but converted ones were not spared. What successive Muslims did during their thousand attacks or campaigns in India were to behead the existing Muslim / Hindu rulers and establish their own rule for plunder. Even the rule over Delhi changed like that irrespective of religious denomination.

Can you give me e few examples when any Muslim invader spared a Muslim local ruler or population from being raped, plundered, enslaved or not included amongst the heap of heads ? Were Muslims on route to Somnath spared ?

I am specifically taking about muslims in sub continent , invaders didnt really care about the population of the subcontinent
If Hindu rulers would have been united these invaders would have been defeated or naivety shown by Chauhan cost us 800 years of islamic rule , the same thing continues even today , Hindus are divided while minority controls the narrative

 

[Bhadra]

How the fuck does paki inbred brain works ,who asks such a question? Is he a paki officer? These guys are too too insecure and seek constant approval ,constant praise or they will get depressed.
Can you imagine Indian army officer asking this question to a captured porki ,imagine us asking this question to a terrorist what do you think of Indian army?
What is wrong with paki people as a whole and same with a large number of Indian muzzies ? Turks ,Persians even Arabs don't behave like them .

That is the simple philosophy or doctrine of Pakistan - Fighting to prove their existence and fighting to survive and not get lost.

I suppose in the worst case scenario (something like 1971) Pakistanis will always struggle to wriggle out to exist and survive even at the cost of being half sized. I further think that even under a nuclear war Pakistan would surrender but only to survive and be there.. They will keep fighting as they think that is the only area where they stand a chance to realise their dream of "equal terms" . They know in other areas such as economy, wealth, health, education, science, technology etc they stand no chance. But Pakistan must play hockey and cricket with them but that brings both country down to equality. That is why UNO is so important to Pakistan where they have a vote equivalent to India.

"On equal terms" is the mantra Pakistani politicians, generals, diplomats and media uses as their "Mool Mantra" and wish that to be the foundation of their relations with India. It is important for India not to provide any equal terms to Pakistan any where including cricket, hockey or music and isolate them. Hukka Pani Bund.

It is simply not based on realities of the ground. Demand for "equal terms" is simply the expression of values of Indian family where brothers are socially equal after division of family due to inheritance. Our division had taken place on population basis and Pakistan tuned out to be very small geographically. But they insisted that they inherited India equally.

It is this reason they will keep giving a stick to India, not for winning but for the sake of proving that they exist and fight to ensure they survive and stand with the big brother " equal terms".

 

[Brimstone]

This was his attitude after being shot up,

That's because he shot down their 16 with his 21.

 

[Bhadra]

Because no one likes them , Arabs , Turks , Persians look down on them and think they are converted muslims hence impure while Christians already hate all muzzies due to their bloody history , similarly with the Hindus , Hindus were always the elites during British era and even before that

Wrong - because they are still considered "Hindisky" mean Hindus of India. Now "Hindu like of India".

And when were Hindus elites during British time ?
British as a matter of policy played minority Muslims as special privileged group, tried to give them special representation, recruited them in the Army in vast numbers specially the PM and ultimately gave them a separate country.

If you consider the case of Tilak, Gandhi and Nehru's as also a few Brahmins in bureaucracy - they were compulsions and outcome existence of the majority population. The majority Hindu never had an influence on British equal to their numbers. Hindus were Kalu Indians for the Firangis unlike the Musalmans of India who were still the people of the book.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Misinfo. mixed with non sense to say the least

Our fighters followed SOP strictly, the enemy didn't cross LOC, they fired from well within their side (confirmed by Chief himself). MKI were already fired upon when Wing Co was underway in his Bison, he was only alerted that he was crossing LOC shortly and that he would be at much higher risk. He was never reprimanded for his actions. He was never told not to cross LOC or not to engage. They took off and were given 'fire at will' orders as soon as the first MKI were being shot at. Wingco is a modern day Babbar Sher, you of little knowledge on tactics or proper indoctrination of aerial warfare should just chill. Wingco is the reason the Pukis shut down their airspace for more than a month entirely. They were pissing their pants. Wingco was closely followed by his Wingman who was also shot at well with in NEZ of the Aim, no one talks about how the that guy against all odds dodged the Aim within NEZ.

The enemy fired their volleys at Dmax, heck even I can dodge a Meteor at DMax in a spitfire, let alone a aerial ballet queen the MKI. The Napapki pilots were trolling and everyone knows one shouldn't engage a troll specially when the troll turns tail and runs after shooting off his load. The R-77s could have been launched at DMAX but by then one of their F-16 was blown to bits, the ones who shot at the MKI were high tailing it back to base supersonic like their Goats got raped. Had the MKI chased them a bit more closer to the LOC, they would have AA gunners waiting to shoot at the MKI. Actually they wanted badly to kill the MKI that day.

When one takes off in the Mi-17 without the IFF on, that was breach of SOP and SAM operator cannot be blamed, as far as he is concerned, his base just scrambled two Mig-21s to take on an element of over 20 enemy fighters heading to the LOC. Spyder SAM would have been in auto track and engage mode. The Mi-17 was shot down at low altitude. Low altitude ingress for enemy is common practice especially helos bringing in SF elements for ops. So no chances could be taken. The base commander has been thrown out for this violation. The error here was human.

If anything this whole episode proved, MKI, heck even Bison is hard to kill because they have some ballsy, audacious pilots, world class pilots, who remain calm and can exploit the machine they fly to the best of their abilities.

To write off the old R-77 is also silly, fired within NEZ, they still have a 80% kill rate. Wingco could have used the R-77 too but he chose instead to sneak up on the Falcons in passive mode from a lower altitude and release the ass-heat loving R-73 in NEZ ranges. Since the Pukis love it so much up the bum-bum, he just indulged that itch.
Heck the Wingco sneaking up onto them, shooting one down was so surprising to them that the F-16s in the area probably didn't have time to slew their radar onto WingCo & Wing man and fired their Aims in Mad-dog mode and ran.

Boy, I have to give to you, you have written it very well.

the enemy didn't cross LOC, they fired from well within their side

False. Don't want to debate about the next line.

He was never reprimanded for his actions.

Never said he was.

you of little knowledge on tactics or proper indoctrination of aerial warfare should just chill

Ahh, I forgot, this is the internet, where one's d*ick size is directly proportional to the number of posts.

Low altitude ingress for enemy is common practice especially helos bringing in SF elements for ops

Srinagar was something 80km or more from engagement point. Border radar stations will pick the helo up faster than Srinagar ATC.

If anything this whole episode proved, MKI, heck even Bison is hard to kill because they have some ballsy, audacious pilots, world class pilots, who remain calm and can exploit the machine they fly to the best of their abilities.

True. Agreed.

To write off the old R-77 is also silly, fired within NEZ, they still have a 80% kill rate.

I also thought that, until this.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/out...arm-its-sukhois-with-israeli-missiles-2044172
Just proves R-77 actually failed to perform satisfactorily rather than RoE issue.

Cheers mate.

 

[mist_consecutive]

That's because he shot down their 16 with his 21.

You will never see a man that happy after been shot down and captured in enemy territory. Whole IAF and Abhinandan to the face of Pakistanis be like

 

[Mikesingh]

Our fighters followed SOP strictly, the enemy didn't cross LOC, they fired from well within their side (confirmed by Chief himself).

False. Don't want to debate about the next line.

False? Which world are you living in dude? According to you, the Indian Air Force chief is talking off his head and lying through his teeth? Wow! You seem to know more than him, what?

The fact is that the Paki attack packet never crossed the LoC and entered our airspace. Period! And the reason why our SUs didn't engage, following RoE.


You guys need to chill and stop falsely castigating the IAF for not bringing down more Pak aircraft, which they would have if the PAF had entered our airspace.

 

[mist_consecutive]

False? Which world are you living in dude? According to you, the Indian Air Force chief is talking off his head and lying through his teeth? Wow! You seem to know more than him, what?

The fact is that the Paki attack packet never crossed the LoC and entered our airspace. Period! And the reason why our SUs didn't engage, following RoE.


You guys need to chill and stop falsely castigating the IAF for not bringing down more Pak aircraft, which they would have if the PAF had entered our airspace.

I know that. That's why I said,

False. Don't want to debate about the next line.

To my response, it's just regrettable. Those who know, know.

 

[sorcerer]

All 4 Terrorists Involved In Pulwama Attack Killed, 1 Arrested: Centre
New Delhi:

Four out of the five terrorists involved in the Pulwama terror attack were killed, while one was arrested by security forces, Union Minister of State for Home G Kishan Reddy said on Tuesday.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/all...lwama-attack-killed-1-arrested-centre-2062964

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

That's because he shot down their 16 with his 21.

That should be cause of more fear behind enemy lines no? Specially when Paki pilots are injured/dead.

He was even kidding with his wife when ISI routed his call through dubai.

 

[Indrajit]

False? Which world are you living in dude? According to you, the Indian Air Force chief is talking off his head and lying through his teeth? Wow! You seem to know more than him, what?

The fact is that the Paki attack packet never crossed the LoC and entered our airspace. Period! And the reason why our SUs didn't engage, following RoE.


You guys need to chill and stop falsely castigating the IAF for not bringing down more Pak aircraft, which they would have if the PAF had entered our airspace.

I’m not convinced by this defence of RoE saying that the Pakistanis had not entered into Indian air space. So, are we ok with Pakistani aircraft bombing our positions just as long as they don’t enter our air space? Weird....

 

[arya]

Pls dont talk like aunties , the question is how much we are preparing , when IAF get new planes from MMRCA2 & 5th gen planes , what we are doing to counter PL15 .

I hope some one is studying enemy strong points and taking all counter measure .

Yes we have to work on IAF weakness .

 

[arya]

I’m not convinced by this defence of RoE saying that the Pakistanis had not entered into Indian air space. So, are we ok with Pakistani aircraft bombing our positions just as long as they don’t enter our air space? Weird....

What you want we should go and attack again on the & fall in trap , yes they attacked on our army while we were attacking on terrorist .

our man want to take revenge our indian force will take it at right time .

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

@sorcerer

You once said bababanaras is followed by pmo and other accounts. Can you give screenshot because I am not on Twitter?

 

[Anikastha]

You once said bababanaras is followed by pmo and other accounts. Can you give screenshot because I am not on Twitter?

he got fucking 6k followers....

 

[Mikesingh]

I’m not convinced by this defence of RoE saying that the Pakistanis had not entered into Indian air space. So, are we ok with Pakistani aircraft bombing our positions just as long as they don’t enter our air space? Weird....

The Pakis didn't bomb any of our positions. Their bomb release was from several kms behind the LoC. There was zero destruction on our side as the bombs fell into fields away from our dumps and HQs and one fell on the LoC itself, and thus causing no damage.

If by chance they had caused any damage to our assets, we would have done the same too. The PAF action was more for Paki public perception. We did not want to escalate the situation also due to the advice from the US and Western powers. They had tacitly approved of our strike on Balakot. Thus, we did not want to overplay our hand by escalating the situation and causing consternation around the world.

So it's just not about shooting missiles at each other. It's all about geopolitics too.

 

[Mikesingh]

Massive IAF drills to be held in J&K where more than 100 frontline fighters, AWACs and other air force and army assets will take part.

More details awaited. This is in response to the riposte by the PAF after the IAF struck Balakot where our reaction was felt to be wanting where all our assets were not put to optimum use. This exercise would aim to correct any shortcomings.

 

[patriots]

Massive IAF drills to be held in J&K where more than 100 frontline fighters, AWACs and other air force and army assets will take part.

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More details awaited. This is in response to the riposte by the PAF after the IAF struck Balakot where our reaction was felt to be wanting where all our assets were not put to optimum use. This exercise would aim to correct any shortcomings.

Will Tejas be a part of this ...like GAGAN Shakti...
Tejas should be.....
As Tejas will be going to do the task of mig21 in future

 

[Sanglamorre]

Massive IAF drills to be held in J&K where more than 100 frontline fighters, AWACs and other air force and army assets will take part.

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More details awaited. This is in response to the riposte by the PAF after the IAF struck Balakot where our reaction was felt to be wanting where all our assets were not put to optimum use. This exercise would aim to correct any shortcomings.

Brasstacks 2.0 huehuehue
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