Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Bhadra]

That's how intel runs their show all over the world. Israeli intel runs almost exclusively on drug trade.

One of our family friend's is an IB guy. He said that each one is given an area of responsibility. It's his job to keep that area pacified. For that, they need to hire local khabri. Obviously, the khabri doesn't get a standard salary. The IB guy has to sometimes pay for his groceries, sometimes cash for the kid's school etc. This cash is raised from the hafta vasooli that the police do from vegetable vendors. Life comes a full circle.

There is no separate gormint sanctioned funds to put the khabri on sarkari payroll with pension benefits. The IB guy has to raise the money himself so a certain level of corruption is not just tolerated, but expected. Most of the times, they end up feeding that khabri's family out of their own salary. It's not a for-profit business. If you don't collect enough hafta then your own survival is at stake. And if any law and order problem happens in his area, then this IB guy gets a hammering from his bosses so there's no easy way out.

It might feel sad but in a country where only 3% people pay taxes, where is the gormint going to bring the money? It's public money being spent for protecting the public. The public doesn't pay taxes so it pays hafta. The TECH-INT might have gormint funding but all the HUM-INT is run on hafta money.

The issue of funding of intel agencies the world over is a thorney one. CIA, KGB or Mossad or ISI have been known to indulge in raising criminal activities money through various ways - drug trafficking being one of the ways or illegal sale of weapons being the other. These activities when controlled and known or loosely accounted for somehow is tolerated. But if such funds start being used for political purposes become dangerous and harmful for the country and the system.

Imagine such money being used to fund Bhindranwale, Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam or the LTTE in Sri Lanka, to defeat a constitutional political party in elections !! That gives tremendous undue and illegal political power to these organisations and that is why ISI has become the political master of Pakistan. That also diverts these agencies from their primary tasks where they have known to fail jeopardize national security. The failures of Indian int agencies is largely attributed to this factor.

The solutions lie in state generating larger financial resources and provide unaudited funds to int agencies rather than making them smugglers and gun runners. On our LAC the int agency sources going across are the best guides of terrorists. It is never a one way road. If Army tries to kill them, IB is always present to save them.

I have myself caught many int chaps that would even supply weapons to forces fighting the Army. One can not shoot an SIB or IB chap even if one deserves it!............

 

[sorcerer]

The intel should totally replace these Zakat trustees with their own guys so that the money that the Muzzies give can be used for intel ops. No need to tell them to stop donating. Just change the donation box.

noooooooooo..naheeeee.
INT is a dangeour Organism man.. they pray on themselves and feast on themselves easy...The whole show is based on one and only one thing..loyalty to the nation...simble.
with soo much unaccounted money and a lot of honey for the taking...them boys can think otherwise easy.

I would say...Identify the account..Zaaap the money to some AGENCY regulated account for OPs once such accounts full of mucho money..

Best legal thing to do is ED raids and taking the WHOLE money the LEGAL way , that include these Zakat Accounts and much more.

 

[sorcerer]

That's how intel runs their show all over the world. Israeli intel runs almost exclusively on drug trade.

One of our family friend's is an IB guy. He said that each one is given an area of responsibility. It's his job to keep that area pacified. For that, they need to hire local khabri. Obviously, the khabri doesn't get a standard salary. The IB guy has to sometimes pay for his groceries, sometimes cash for the kid's school etc. This cash is raised from the hafta vasooli that the police do from vegetable vendors. Life comes a full circle.

There is no separate gormint sanctioned funds to put the khabri on sarkari payroll with pension benefits. The IB guy has to raise the money himself so a certain level of corruption is not just tolerated, but expected. Most of the times, they end up feeding that khabri's family out of their own salary. It's not a for-profit business. If you don't collect enough hafta then your own survival is at stake. And if any law and order problem happens in his area, then this IB guy gets a hammering from his bosses so there's no easy way out.

It might feel sad but in a country where only 3% people pay taxes, where is the gormint going to bring the money? It's public money being spent for protecting the public. The public doesn't pay taxes so it pays hafta. The TECH-INT might have gormint funding but all the HUM-INT is run on hafta money.

Yes... There was an incident about an agency which had to go to NEPAL to bring back a pig..and they had to use the Money from their OWN bank account to do the ops cuz it had limited sanction and time frame
but them boys pulled it off.
may be they must have got their own money reimbursed..
but such is this game..the game of keeping nations safe

 

[sorcerer]

Bdw today iaf tested a new Russian missile from su30...
From odisha coast

whij one?
.

 

[sorcerer]

Infiltrations down to 0 in Kashmir in past 5 months
Jammu and Kashmir governor Satya Pal Malik claimed that infiltration of terrorists into the Valley has stopped in the last five months, while incidents of stone pelting have also gone down in the period.

https://www.oneindia.com/india/infiltrations-down-to-0-in-kashmir-in-past-5-months-2906197.html

 

[sorcerer]

Army to raise new Battle Formations along Pakistan border by October

Aiming to further strengthen its ability to carry out swift strikes during wars, the Indian Army is going to raise new lethal battle formations along the borders with Pakistan by October.
Western Command.

As per sources, the Army has tested two types of configurations of the IBG during the exercise including one for offensive roles, which during hostilities involves cross-border operations and the other for defensive postures to withstand an enemy onslaught. During the exercise, IBGs will be used instead of brigades.

A brigade comprises of about three to four units, each having about 800 troops. The IBGs are planned to be commanded by officers of the rank of Major General and would have the manpower of around 5,000 troops each.

Now proven successful, the IBGs are being seen as game changers by the force and are going to entirely change the way the Indian Army plans to fight conventional wars.

The IBGs are part of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat's initiatives to reorganise and right-size the operational structure of the force to make it more effective and lethal during wars.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...an-border-by-october/articleshow/69855566.cms

 

[daya]

noooooooooo..naheeeee.
INT is a dangeour Organism man.. they pray on themselves and feast on themselves easy...The whole show is based on one and only one thing..loyalty to the nation...simble.
with soo much unaccounted money and a lot of honey for the taking...them boys can think otherwise easy.

I would say...Identify the account..Zaaap the money to some AGENCY regulated account for OPs once such accounts full of mucho money..

Best legal thing to do is ED raids and taking the WHOLE money the LEGAL way , that include these Zakat Accounts and much more.

Also a dirty political game. M.K.Dhar of IB has revealed shocking facts in "OPEN SECRETS".

 

[angeldude13]

I like this quote, which Shloka mate? Or are you attributing some quote to Srimad Bhagawad Gita in confusion?

Frankly I have no idea. Maybe I am confusing Chanakya Niti with Bhagavada Gita.
The only thing I am sure is that I've read this quote in context with Hinduism.

 

[Deathstar]

The issue of funding of intel agencies the world over is a thorney one. CIA, KGB or Mossad or ISI have been known to indulge in raising criminal activities money through various ways - drug trafficking being one of the ways or illegal sale of weapons being the other. These activities when controlled and known or loosely accounted for somehow is tolerated. But if such funds start being used for political purposes become dangerous and harmful for the country and the system.

Imagine such money being used to fund Bhindranwale, Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam or the LTTE in Sri Lanka, to defeat a constitutional political party in elections !! That gives tremendous undue and illegal political power to these organisations and that is why ISI has become the political master of Pakistan. That also diverts these agencies from their primary tasks where they have known to fail jeopardize national security. The failures of Indian int agencies is largely attributed to this factor.

The solutions lie in state generating larger financial resources and provide unaudited funds to int agencies rather than making them smugglers and gun runners. On our LAC the int agency sources going across are the best guides of terrorists. It is never a one way road. If Army tries to kill them, IB is always present to save them.

I have myself caught many int chaps that would even supply weapons to forces fighting the Army. One can not shoot an SIB or IB chap even if one deserves it!............

If int guys are working against the state why cant we kill them?as in whats the reason not to kill them?

 

[Bhadra]

If int guys are working against the state why cant we kill them?as in whats the reason not to kill them?

Because Army considers them as National Assets and their own. However, it is a dangerous game. Suppose an army unit lost a few men yesterday in an operation against LTTE and today they find a RAW agent delivering brand new AK to them ... situation can be very precarious and dangerous..

However if a RAW agent does such a thing and Army comes to know about it, the RAW chap is not worth his salt.......

However, in border areas all agencies have to cooperate and help each other or there is a chaos...

 

[Deathstar]

Because Army considers them as National Assets and their own. However, it is a dangerous game. Suppose an army unit lost a few men yesterday in an operation against LTTE and today they find a RAW agent delivering brand new AK to them ... situation can be very precarious and dangerous..

However if a RAW agent does such a thing and Army comes to know about it, the RAW chap is not worth his salt.......

However, in border areas all agencies have to cooperate and help each other or there is a chaos...

Army considers these guys as their own even if they supply weapons to groups fighting the army?as in why?
Its a complex game indeed

 

[indus]

Army considers these guys as their own even if they supply weapons to groups fighting the army?as in why?
Its a complex game indeed

Strength is in unity. Divided they fall. Militancy is mostly brought down by internal differences, clashes, infighting within ranks etc. And it is these moles who help in creating such micro mutinies which create divisions.

 

[Enquirer]

Here's proof of how Christain missionaries are supporting insurgencies in the North East...

 

[sorcerer]

Bdw today iaf tested a new Russian missile from su30...
From odisha coast

IAF test fires Russian missile on June 19


BHUBANESWAR: Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully test fired a Russian air-to-air missile on June 19.

The missile fired from frontline combat aircraft Sukhoi-30 MKI destroyed a target drone off Odisha coast.

Defence sources said the short-range air-to-air missile was fired from the fighter aircraft as part of a user trial. The exercise was aimed at gauging the killing efficiency of the weapon system.

The aircraft that took off from Kalaikunda air base in West Bengal fired the beyond visual range air-to-air missile after taking several sorties.

The missile successfully intercepted the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) Banshee over Bay of Bengal.

The British drone was flown from the Integrated Test Range (ITR).

While the whole exercise was carried out by IAF personnel, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) provided all logistic supports.

“Two fighter aircraft were engaged in the exercise. One was used as attacker and the other as chaser. After the attacker fired the missile, the chaser tracked its movement and firing precision. The entire exercise was conducted in a real-time scenario,” said an official.

The Russian missile has been procured by India for IAF in order to develop a multi-layered aerial shield for cities against strikes by manned or unmanned air vehicles flying at low and medium altitudes.

Sources said the missile has the capability to efficiently engage targets at both low and medium altitudes in less than 10 seconds.

The missiles used for the test were selected randomly from the lot. “Several more rounds of tests of the missile using a combination of aircraft including MiG and Mirage have also been planned in next two days,” the official informed.

The mission is crucial for the IAF as several cities and vital installations in the country are vulnerable to aerial strikes.

Supplemented by indigenously developed Astra air-to-air missile, the Russian missiles can enhance aerial security.

This apart, duration of stability on air and endurance of Banshee was also tested during the exercise.

Fitted with integrated GPS, autonomous waypoint navigation and digital telemetry systems, the UAV is suitable for use on land and at sea.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...fires-russian-missile-on-june-19-1992547.html

Yesterday...DY Prime minister of Россия was here in India..well!!!
its just coincidence okaaaay!!!!

 

[Anikastha]

IAF test fires Russian missile on June 19


BHUBANESWAR: Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully test fired a Russian air-to-air missile on June 19.

The missile fired from frontline combat aircraft Sukhoi-30 MKI destroyed a target drone off Odisha coast.

Defence sources said the short-range air-to-air missile was fired from the fighter aircraft as part of a user trial. The exercise was aimed at gauging the killing efficiency of the weapon system.

The aircraft that took off from Kalaikunda air base in West Bengal fired the beyond visual range air-to-air missile after taking several sorties.

The missile successfully intercepted the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) Banshee over Bay of Bengal.

The British drone was flown from the Integrated Test Range (ITR).

While the whole exercise was carried out by IAF personnel, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) provided all logistic supports.

“Two fighter aircraft were engaged in the exercise. One was used as attacker and the other as chaser. After the attacker fired the missile, the chaser tracked its movement and firing precision. The entire exercise was conducted in a real-time scenario,” said an official.

The Russian missile has been procured by India for IAF in order to develop a multi-layered aerial shield for cities against strikes by manned or unmanned air vehicles flying at low and medium altitudes.

Sources said the missile has the capability to efficiently engage targets at both low and medium altitudes in less than 10 seconds.

The missiles used for the test were selected randomly from the lot. “Several more rounds of tests of the missile using a combination of aircraft including MiG and Mirage have also been planned in next two days,” the official informed.

The mission is crucial for the IAF as several cities and vital installations in the country are vulnerable to aerial strikes.

Supplemented by indigenously developed Astra air-to-air missile, the Russian missiles can enhance aerial security.

This apart, duration of stability on air and endurance of Banshee was also tested during the exercise.

Fitted with integrated GPS, autonomous waypoint navigation and digital telemetry systems, the UAV is suitable for use on land and at sea.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...fires-russian-missile-on-june-19-1992547.html

Yesterday...DY Prime minister of Россия was here in India..well!!!
its just coincidence okaaaay!!!!

iaf has learnt nice lesson on 27 feb.....

 

[sorcerer]

iaf has learnt nice lesson on 27 feb.....

Im interested in Banshee tho..
Edit:
We are getting our own Drone Force like them chinese?
There was a report on such some time back then total silence!

 

[Anikastha]

Im interested in Banshee tho..
Edit:
We are getting our own Drone Force like them chinese?
There was a report on such some time back then total silence!

we r looking for attack drones.....yes iaf interested for drone force....

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Back with a vengeance.. How did it go...

Where did you find a vengeance?

 

[Mikesingh]

I wonder why the Lakshya UAV, which has been developed by DRDO as a target drone, not being used for targeting instead of the imported British Banshee??

 

[Enquirer]

I wonder why the Lakshya UAV, which has been developed by DRDO as a target drone, not being used for targeting instead of the imported British Banshee??

Maybe cost!
Lakshya was not used as an 'expendable' drone, but it towed a 'target' with a kilometer long tether.
Probably Banshee is more maneuverable and has higher speeds.