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Accidents, suicides, ailments kill 1,600 soldiers every year


HIGHLIGHTS
  • India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year without going to war.
  • The single biggest killers are said to be road accidents and suicides.
  • The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014.
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NEW DELHI: Without going to war, India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year. And the single biggest killers are road accidents and suicides, much more than counter-insurgency operations or firing duels with Pakistan along the line of control in Jammu and Kashmir.
Latest figures collated by TOI show that road accidents claim the lives of over 350 soldiers, sailors and airmen every year, while another 120 personnel take the extreme step of committing suicide. Other big causes are training accidents and various health reasons, which itself is a big worry for the forces that are supposed to be fighting fit.

India does have the dubious distinction of recording the highest number of road deaths in the world, as also one of the highest suicide rates, but the same being reflected in the highly-disciplined and trained environs of the armed forces is alarming for many.

The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force (IAF) have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014. The highest toll, of course, is found in the 11.73-lakh strong Army, which dwarfs the IAF and Navy in terms of sheer manpower.



"Physical casualties" are more than 12 times the number of "battle casualties" in the Army. If the force recorded 112 fatal battle casualties in border skirmishes, shelling, counter-insurgency operations and operational accidents in "notified areas" in 2016, it lost over 1,480 soldiers due to physical casualties.

This year, the battle casualties in Army have just about crossed 80 till now, while the physical casualties have already touched 1,060.

Sources say Army chief General Bipin Rawat last month expressed concern about his force losing "nearly two battalions (each battalion has 700-800 soldiers) worth of personnel every year" due to physical casualties. "He has stressed the urgent need to address this issue… new measures are being put in place, while the older ones are being fine-tuned," said an officer.

Road accidents remain a big worry. A series of directives have been issued for proper training of drivers, regular monitoring and medical fitness tests, and strict punishing of errant or negligent behaviour.

"Night driving, if not operationally required, is also being discouraged. But the Army is also huge in terms of manpower, with massive vehicular movement in difficult terrains around the country every day," said a senior officer.

Stress-related deaths like suicides and fratricide (to kill a fellow soldier or superior) also take a huge toll. Over 330 soldiers, including nine officers and 19 junior commissioned officers, have committed suicide since 2014. There have also been a dozen cases of fratricide in the time frame.




Suicide cases in the armed forces have showed no signs of reducing despite all the so-called measures being undertaken to reduce stress among soldiers, airmen and sailors deployed in far-flung areas away from their families, as earlier reported by TOI.




Soldiers undergo mental stress for not being able to take care of the problems being faced by their families back home, which could range from property disputes and harassment by anti-social elements to financial and marital problems.


Prolonged deployment in counter-insurgency operations in J&K and north-east also takes a toll on the physical and mental endurance of soldiers. All this is also compounded by relatively poor salaries, denial of leave, lack of basic amenities and ineffectual leadership.




Measures being implemented to stem this trend range from provision of mental counselling and improvement in living and working conditions to provision of additional family accommodation, a liberalised leave policy and strengthening of grievance redressal mechanisms.


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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-india-going-to-war/articleshow/61898366.cms


@IndiaRising Next time before you decided to open your mouth check your own stats you are one of the worst in the world
 

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Accidents, suicides, ailments kill 1,600 soldiers every year


HIGHLIGHTS
  • India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year without going to war.
  • The single biggest killers are said to be road accidents and suicides.
  • The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014.
AP representative file photo
NEW DELHI: Without going to war, India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year. And the single biggest killers are road accidents and suicides, much more than counter-insurgency operations or firing duels with Pakistan along the line of control in Jammu and Kashmir.
Latest figures collated by TOI show that road accidents claim the lives of over 350 soldiers, sailors and airmen every year, while another 120 personnel take the extreme step of committing suicide. Other big causes are training accidents and various health reasons, which itself is a big worry for the forces that are supposed to be fighting fit.

India does have the dubious distinction of recording the highest number of road deaths in the world, as also one of the highest suicide rates, but the same being reflected in the highly-disciplined and trained environs of the armed forces is alarming for many.

The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force (IAF) have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014. The highest toll, of course, is found in the 11.73-lakh strong Army, which dwarfs the IAF and Navy in terms of sheer manpower.



"Physical casualties" are more than 12 times the number of "battle casualties" in the Army. If the force recorded 112 fatal battle casualties in border skirmishes, shelling, counter-insurgency operations and operational accidents in "notified areas" in 2016, it lost over 1,480 soldiers due to physical casualties.

This year, the battle casualties in Army have just about crossed 80 till now, while the physical casualties have already touched 1,060.

Sources say Army chief General Bipin Rawat last month expressed concern about his force losing "nearly two battalions (each battalion has 700-800 soldiers) worth of personnel every year" due to physical casualties. "He has stressed the urgent need to address this issue… new measures are being put in place, while the older ones are being fine-tuned," said an officer.

Road accidents remain a big worry. A series of directives have been issued for proper training of drivers, regular monitoring and medical fitness tests, and strict punishing of errant or negligent behaviour.

"Night driving, if not operationally required, is also being discouraged. But the Army is also huge in terms of manpower, with massive vehicular movement in difficult terrains around the country every day," said a senior officer.

Stress-related deaths like suicides and fratricide (to kill a fellow soldier or superior) also take a huge toll. Over 330 soldiers, including nine officers and 19 junior commissioned officers, have committed suicide since 2014. There have also been a dozen cases of fratricide in the time frame.




Suicide cases in the armed forces have showed no signs of reducing despite all the so-called measures being undertaken to reduce stress among soldiers, airmen and sailors deployed in far-flung areas away from their families, as earlier reported by TOI.




Soldiers undergo mental stress for not being able to take care of the problems being faced by their families back home, which could range from property disputes and harassment by anti-social elements to financial and marital problems.


Prolonged deployment in counter-insurgency operations in J&K and north-east also takes a toll on the physical and mental endurance of soldiers. All this is also compounded by relatively poor salaries, denial of leave, lack of basic amenities and ineffectual leadership.




Measures being implemented to stem this trend range from provision of mental counselling and improvement in living and working conditions to provision of additional family accommodation, a liberalised leave policy and strengthening of grievance redressal mechanisms.


Get latest news & live updates on the go on your pc with News App. Download The Times of India news app for your device. Read more India news in English and other languages.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-india-going-to-war/articleshow/61898366.cms


@IndiaRising Next time before you decided to open your mouth check your own stats you are one of the worst in the world
difference is we dont hide the cause of death of our soldiers. Our Parliament actually has the guts to reveal casualties to the civilians unlike your hijdas. if our soldiers die in battle, we admit it. you have to hide the fact that major asim, captain qadeer and other napakis get roasted by hindu kafirs daily on LoC and IB. your army is filled with pathological liars. that is one competition you jokers win over and over again
 

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difference is we dont hide the cause of death of our soldiers. Our Parliament actually has the guts to reveal casualties to the civilians unlike your hijdas. if our soldiers die in battle, we admit it. you have to hide the fact that major asim, captain qadeer and other napakis get roasted by hindu kafirs daily on LoC and IB. your army is filled with pathological liars. that is one competition you jokers win over and over again
Our deaths are declared also. We have lost 7000 soldiers just few days ago 3 were martyred by ISIS attack on our Afghan Pakistan border. 3 Levis were martyred on Eid day at Quetta
 

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All of them are announced and buried with full Military Honors and rewarded medals
Biggest lie. There are countless examples on this forum itself where paki soldiers have been roasted yet their death has not been made public by ISPR. Also, you didn’t answer my original question? Why is your defence minister not willing to tell parliament about LoC casualties ?
 

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All of them are announced and buried with full Military Honors and rewarded medals
Nope.
Zarvan miyan, repeating my previous question which you chose to avoid:

Please tell me why didnt a single Pakistani media or ISPR ever report names of following casualties (just a few examples out of many more others):

1) Subedar Saghir Chaudhary (KIA December 2017)
2) Subedar Raja muhammad Tehzeem (KIA chakothi May 2017)
3) Sepoy Ali Gohar (Nov 2016 casualty, Name was made public first time during investiture ceremony, 2018)
4) Sepoy Raja Ahsan (KIA April 2018)
5) Lance naik Waris Shah (KIA Jun 2017)

And there are many many more.

For example during an interview of Pakistani defence minister in 2016 it was revealed at least 27 Pakistani soldiers were killed that year on LoC and 66 more injured.

 

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Stop letting the Shitistani wind you up guys. Just leave it to @NeXoft007 Noor Alam to do the chaddi-utaaro honours.
According to the Paki here, doing last rites of a dead Pakistani soldier at the middle of the night with no ISPR Announcement and no national media coverage is "buried with full military honor"... Yea.. Right!
 

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Pakistan Army is surely no. 1 in hiding casualties, and it's not limited to just LoC. It can be Balochistan, Punjab Border, Waziristan Border as well.

Btw, I am very much interested in knowing how this paki soldier Sepoy Adnan became "Allah ka pyaara" on Eid?

Three questions on his death...
1. Why the janaza at night?
2. Why no ISPR announcement?
3. Why no media coverage?
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All NLI soldiers are proudly buried in Pakistan. Also awarded medals. In fact two of them got Nishan e Haider. So get your facts right.
Really? But your knucklehead Paki General Mush had written in his book, 'In the Line of Fire', that they were 'Kashmiri freedom fighters'!!! Lol! :pound::crazy:

The way your Porki Generals lie will put even the devil to shame. No wonder you morons get a bashing every time you meddle with us. Denial-stan, Terrorist-tan, Liar-stan.....

Land Of The Pure, my ass!! :rofl:
 
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