Should there be permanent mechanism for immigration of Indian Muslims and Pakistani/Bangla nonMuslim

Should there be permanent mechanism for immigration of Indian Muslims and Pakistani/Bangla nonMuslim


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indiazain

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Pakistan wasn't made for the sole purpose of religion; if it was - it would've been much larger. So no, we'd have little in common with these Indian Muslims. I've met Indian Muslims abroad and they're culturally different; we don't even associate with each other. If you want Indian Muslims out of your country so bad, you should just make a Muslim country just for Indian Muslims.

People didn't mass migrate out of their free will, they were forced to.
Pakistan was created for all Indian Muslims by once upon a time Hindustani Muslims who were against India and especially against Hindus thanks to British logic of divide and conquer . Everything in Pakistan just revolves around Islam whether its terror or good will(if any ever).If u believe in Allah ur good or else ur bad.

You have no culture or Identity of your own just a concept of 24x7 war mongering against india .we already made a Muslims country and hence no question of making a new country or giving more land for them,If we do we will create new land for them in Pakistan and Bangladesh only.
Those Indian Muslims or separatists who support Pakistan will be dumped into your country shortly ().
The only Muslims in Pakistan who are well to do are Punjabi Sunni Muslims.According to them (Punjabi Sunni Muslims) rest of the Pakistanis are similar to Indians(Kafir).In a few years Pakistan will be either become Saudiistan or Qatariistan or Chinaiistan.
If you have a issue with the way indian muslims are treated you should have a even bigger issue with the way Chinese treat Muslims. They beat them up and make them eat food during Ramadan in china. In India Muslims are only forbidden from triple talaq and eating beef.We have a rule of law not a rule of mussel power like Pakistan .

Muslims in India are treated in a very decent manner compared to any other non Muslim country in the world.
 

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Pakistan wasn't made for the sole purpose of religion; if it was
People didn't mass migrate out of their free will, they were forced to.
Pakistan was not religion it was the manifestation of socio political insecurities of Muslim upper class especially of united province (present day uttar pradesh)east bangal and idiots like the nizam of hydrabad daccan the dog loving coward nawab of junagad
Your quaid e azam was the most cunning political pimp to walk the face of this subcontinent who gave Pakistan a drab of believability
By dipping it in the colors of islam
Add to this the caniving British and lalu by the name of Nehru and you had the perfect recipe for the farnkinstine monster called Pakistan
 

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1. There are many Muslim Brothers and Sisters in india who are absolutely loyal and we can and should do a bit more to recognise and appreciate them !
2. There are also those who fly pak flags and openly flaunt and taunt us with brazen support of pak even when there is a serious border situation developing
Those traitors can go and having a legal mechanism for them to do so will facilitate getting rid of 5th columns and subversive elements who pretended to be one of us .... and we can create space for them inside packland when that thing falls further ...

3 .the separate space will be necessary because paks dont accept their mus "brothers" of other parts of india other than Punjab …. when idi amin kicked the Guajarati muslims out of east africa, most of them wanted pak papers in addition to brit papers but pak would not recognise ANY of them so they took Indian papers instead and we accepted them with open arms when pak would not ....Pakistan is actually punjabstan

4. im also sympatheteic to having a policy similar to the Israeli “aliyah” policy where any Indian from overseas can return if they can prove themselves to be according to the definitions of nri or pio.

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Interesting thread

few questions if muslim/hindu immigration was opened up to individual in South Asia :

1.what would happen to the individuals that do not want to immigrate?? would it be imposed
or would there be a choice??

(British already answered this in the drafting of partition it was also unofficially imposed)

2. Should England also be involved to finish what they started?? (see point 1)

3. Would this favor muslims more than Hindus?? Muslims lived as Indian citizens and enjoyed all rights
under citizenship of India and under SHARIA laws. Hindus have more or less be ethnically cleansed in Pakistan and most of Bangladesh . Hindu population in Bangladesh as gone from 90 percent to 10 percent in 100 years. Muslims had greater choice and flexibility than Hindus ever did.

4. what would individuals be able to take with them?? What happens to their property??
Most property owned by Hindus and sikhs have been confiscated in Pakistan so not much
of a question there.

5. Would Muslims be automatically be made citizens of Pakistan and Bangladesh?? And Hindus of
India??

6. This would greatly benefit India if this was ever to be implemented.

7. There would be no more claims to water and territory if this were to happen???

8. How would individual rights and property rights be preserved on both sides??

9. Pakistan finished their side of Partiotion and Bangladesh is presently trying to complete.
India is the only country where nothing was done. India has not held up their side of partition.
thanks to secualar nonsense, vote bank polictics and donald duck leaders of the past.

10. Can the partition still be completed in the present age??

11. Where would other groups ; Sikhs, ahmedys, Shiites etc fit in here??
 

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I strongly belive that India should have a right to return for dharmics from around the world and especially from the former north eastern andNorth Western provinces of india
 

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Syriac Christians the oldest Christian Community in India who came in 345 CE is not absorbed still, and you talk about integration. Integration with exclusive religions is not possible. Shakas, Hunas their religion was pluralistic like Hinduism, that's why it was possible with integration, but not now.
And what about Buddhism ?? Ones upon a time, long time back, Hinduism was on a decline in India, because people were converting into Buddhism and nearly 75% of them converted but later on because the Hindu leaders somehow proved that lord Buddha was actually a "rupa" of Lord Vishnu, people realized and came back. That's how hinduism in India is deeply rooted and is so flexible, that it literally absorbed Buddhism within Bharat Varsha.
 

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What I think is that India should be declared as a Sanatan Dharmic Republic of Bharat, that is how we'd be able to bind our states more strongly together and would be able to carry out "peaceful" and I mean literally "peaceful" awareness campaigns and mass conversions into Hinduism of just non-Dharmics which includes Muslims and Christians. And I think that India might just become a Hindu state if BJP stays in power with some more right winging Hindu nationalist parties for another 10-15 years.
As for traitors, after they show their true colors, in UP and Bihar, its followed by their persecution and in some cases "Lynching". And they'd run with their hands on ass ones India is made a Sanatan Dharmic Republic of Bharat (SDRB).
And over time, Sanskrit should be revived back.

If you think that it would make India just like Pakistan, you need to think it in the context of Hinduism, because of its flexibility and smart management under Vedas, it would be just like any other asian Dharmic country, "progressive". If you think and research about it, you'll find that you need to follow your Dharma with dedication to achieve moksha (success) and Karma (the cop) would always keep you on the right path, because if you make something Bad or evil as your Dharma, then according to Karma, its Tit for Tat, you will get the same evil amplified and returned to you.
At the same time, it doesn't restrict anything, you are free to wear anything you want, you are free to live a western style of life, you are free to do everything, you just have to have a dedicated Dharma.
 

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And what about Buddhism ?? Ones upon a time, long time back, Hinduism was on a decline in India, because people were converting into Buddhism and nearly 75% of them converted but later on because the Hindu leaders somehow proved that lord Buddha was actually a "rupa" of Lord Vishnu, people realized and came back. That's how hinduism in India is deeply rooted and is so flexible, that it literally absorbed Buddhism within Bharat Varsha.
you misunderstood. Buddhism is an Indian religion, it's sacred language is Pali. Pali evolved from Sanskrit. Buddhism is like a sister faith of Hinduism where ideas of reincarnation, moksha, soul, Dharma are emphasized upon.

Also never 75% of Indians were Buddhists. Despite its massive growth. Hieun Tsang says in Bengal there were 70 Buddhist monasteries and 200 Deva temples, In Harshavardhana's Kannauj, Hinduism was dominant. Except few areas Buddhism and Jainism were not dominant. Relation between Hinduism and Buddhism is what what is relation between Judaism and Christianity. Buddhism belongs to Dharmic faiths.
 

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Pakistan wasn't made for the sole purpose of religion; if it was - it would've been much larger. So no, we'd have little in common with these Indian Muslims. I've met Indian Muslims abroad and they're culturally different; we don't even associate with each other. If you want Indian Muslims out of your country so bad, you should just make a Muslim country just for Indian Muslims.

People didn't mass migrate out of their free will, they were forced to.
No Pakistan was soly made on religious ground on the belief that Muslims can not live with majority Hindus. Culturally Pakistan is much more nearer to Punjab and UP than south Indian states. So culture is no excuse.
 

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Muslims and Christians. And I think that India might just become a Hindu state if BJP stays in power with some more right winging Hindu nationalist parties for another 10-15 years.
When Modi came to power, American Magazine wrote that he will make india a Hindu nation.
 

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Doval had rightly said that when you become powerful your soft power and appeal increases. Why people convert to Christianity and not Buddhism? As India will rise as a nation, people will start accepting us including our religion. Muslims will not say but they are shaken from inside. They are feeling ashamed as the Muslims. In africa, a huge conversion takes place from Islam to christianity . Middle east will also get converted other faith so as Iran and pakistan. In few years from now, Islam will be a history and will survive in india and Indonesia only. A study said that. Iran is on the verge to become a non Islamic state. They may go back to their roots of Zarathustrism. .
 
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Syriac Christians the oldest Christian Community in India who came in 345 CE is not absorbed still, and you talk about integration. Integration with exclusive religions is not possible. Shakas, Hunas their religion was pluralistic like Hinduism, that's why it was possible with integration, but not now.
St thomos apostle is a balent lie propogated by church. There are proofs available to nail such lie. Anyways christianity arrieved in india in 16th century by portuguese through forceful conversions. Even now you will see conversions through money and brainwash
 

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Gautam buddha was himself a hindu. He became siddha through tapasya as mny other hindu siddha saints, difference been his folowers started a new religiin but teachings are same as hinduism. Hence it can be called as a sect of hinduism
 

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St thomos apostle is a balent lie propogated by church. There are proofs available to nail such lie. Anyways christianity arrieved in india in 16th century by portuguese through forceful conversions. Even now you will see conversions through money and brainwash
I got what you are saying, St Thomas never came, I can prove that. But Syriac Christian Community is different. They came to escape persecution from other Christians led by Thomas of Canae, this Thomas and St. Thomas are different. But I am very happy to know that you too know St Thomas did not come.
 

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This has nothing to do with secular or religious. It is about cruelly and arbitrarily taking away someone's nationality/ imposing alien nationality on someone against their will. That is absurd. Religion has to be mentioned because that is the very basis of creation of Pakistan and also to keep the process practical to avoid widespread misuse of the mechanism.
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This has nothing to do with secular or religious. It is about cruelly and arbitrarily taking away someone's nationality/ imposing alien nationality on someone against their will. That is absurd. Religion has to be mentioned because that is the very basis of creation of Pakistan and also to keep the process practical to avoid widespread misuse of the mechanism.
Religion was not the basis of creating Pakistan alone. It was the basis for the Partition.
 

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Doval had rightly said that when you become powerful your soft power and appeal increases. Why people convert to Christianity and not Buddhism? As India will rise as a nation, people will start accepting us including our religion. Muslims will not say but they are shaken from inside. They are feeling ashamed as the Muslims. In africa, a huge conversion takes place from Islam to christianity . Middle east will also get converted other faith so as Iran and pakistan. In few years from now, Islam will be a history and will survive in india and Indonesia only. A study said that. Iran is on the verge to become a non Islamic state. They may go back to their roots of Zarathustrism. .
I feel the same that Islam will decline and disappear worldwide including in Arabia and Pakistan but excluding India. The desert terror manual is not compatible with a modern harmonius world / society. Perhaps Muslims in India will become somewhat moderate once they are the only remaining desert manual followers.
 

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I feel the same that Islam will decline and disappear worldwide including in Arabia and Pakistan but excluding India. The desert terror manual is not compatible with a modern harmonius world / society. Perhaps Muslims in India will become somewhat moderate once they are the only remaining desert manual followers.
Accepted / credible demographic curve says just the opposite.
 

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Accepted / credible demographic curve says just the opposite.
Muslims do have more children (true worldwide) - so obviously it cannot be a demographic decline but needs to be a rejection of Islam by the people, the ruling classes or both, in these societies (Arabs, Pakistanis etc.). That can happen with the right incentives IMO - but maybe I am being too optimistic and you are right in suggesting that raw demographics will win out.

In additions to the Qazi's exhortation to have more children, Muslims are also actually able to produce more children because they often follow traditional diets that evolved over the millennia to enable better health, increased fertility. For us it is ironic that these diets were mentioned in the Vedas but are more extensively followed by those that have burnt these manuscripts at Nalanda and Taxila.

India (as opposed to Arabia, Pakistan) is a more complex beast - (some of those complexities should not be pointed out on a public forum).

Do we get 10000 years of dark ages if Islam does succeed in conquering the world !? The times that are current are always interesting!
 

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