Seven ways India can rescue Pakistan

[Spindrift]

Here is the only way to rescue Pakistan... bomb the living hell out of it..

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Having a dig just for fun, quoting line by line is best merit of written debates.

Pervez Hoodbhoy: ...................
A strong and avid supporter of nuclear disarmament, non-nuclear proliferation and the peaceful use of nuclear technology in Pakistan.

Hoodbhoy and nuclear disarmament, I will suggest author to read his writings and listen to speeches again.

Mani Shankar Aiyar: A former Indian diplomat with 26 years of service in the Indian foreign services,

Who has nearly no control on his tongue,

starts chanting with militants without even caring what they are saying

Banned for an year due to drinking in Parliament and abusive words against Amar Singh's mother.

Sometimes even asks Pakistanis to vote INC in order to wipe out BJP from centre.

Or ISIS aren't terrorists, their attacks from East to West are justified because somebody bothered to disturb their caliphate,
Seriously

He is a well-known political columnist and the author of Pakistan Papers

Who cares

and Remembering Rajiv, and has edited a four-volume publication, Rajiv Gandhi's India.

Where you sell country's property to fill your own safe, get killed due to an unnecessary trouble created by yourself and enjoy sympathy.
Seriously, we forgot cuz Rajiv died, otherwise having enough charges for him.

Why it can't be Narsimha Rao's India and not of someone of their family?

How bizarre is it to sit in the comfortable confines of a Goan hotel and discuss ways to save Pakistan? Not ways to counter, restrain or engage the nation – but to save it from itself, in a way. Or that both the Pakistani and the Indian panelist agreed on every point,

Why even bother? I bet Pakistanis will be laughing at him.

including the fact that Pakistan did indeed need to be saved, and that its most likely saviour is India.

Fact is that they don't wanna be called Indian and got their wishes fulfilled, wtf is the reason to care now.

The islamization of Pakistan has since continued apace. "Pakistan is losing its South Asian roots. It's being Arabized," said Hoodbhoy, "You can see it in what we say for goodbye. We now say 'allah hafiz' not 'khuda hafiz." And in that small change is a world of loss.

Utter bull$hit!!

Pakistan was based on assumption of being Arabian/Persian/Turk Muslims
Who didn't fought for India's freedom but Turk Khalifa, who feel proud to be called of Arabian roots and name their places in name of Arbians.
Creation of Pakistan was based on that we aren't same people so what happened now?

And Why still reluctant to call them" Indian Roots" and not "South Asian" roots?

Hoodbhoy himself arabized?

two important facts: "Pakistan is an irremovable geographical fact.

Removed half earlier, half will be gone once messes alone next time.

Pakistan is also an irreversible historical fact."

No one can save it in that case.

First decide,


We have roots of your country but we are irreversible! :biggrin2:
What we must conclude? Arab illegitimates begging for Indian Surname but yet not wanna be called be Indian?
You have to get one side,
A. Be inside India
B. F**k off!

Next is understanding the root cause of the hostility of the Pakistani state. Pakistan is not a failing or failed state," said Shankar Aiyar, arguing that it is precisely this need to impose unity on a divided, fragmenting nation that makes the state authoritarian. But to maintain it's authority, it needs an 'other,' and that 'other' is India. "The consequence of a failing Pakistan is a state that would attack the 'other' to save its own nation."

Sounds like requesting to make Pakistan an Indian Colony or an Indian State with autonomy. Why India needs to have partial control on it's own land and call it apart?

Hoodbhoy echoed the same thought in another way: "We have to accept in Pakistan that the two-nation theory has run its course. Moving forward, our idea of the nation has to be more inclusive."

Two nation theory or a logicless manipulation of one group infiltrating elsewhere and demand for other nation?

This theory can run only through minds of crazy jihadis who are just dying for believing whatever they want without even having a logic and I don't think it's irreversible through minds of people once we teach them complete history without manipulation, without calling any Raja or Sultan great ghazi.

But what we must remember – and quick to forget – claims Shankar Aiyar is that the Pakistani state has largely failed to persuade the Pakistani people. There remains a huge constituency for friendship which we need to work with, as opposed to responding to the constituency of hatred.

AFAIK, it's their people who created hatred to lick boots of khalifa and divided country, admit that you aren't their "brothers", there's no hatred on our side.

Following this logic, what India has to do is pull the rug from under the feet of the authoritarian Pakistani state.

But fails to give a reason why must we bother.

"Our response to Pakistan has to be asymmetric. To turn the other cheek," said Shankar Aiyar, "We need to give more than we expect." To discard the idea of reciprocity and create a blitzkrieg of goodwill."

Gandhi: "If someone slaps at your cheek, turn another cheek to hin.

Extension by Aiyyar: if someone slaps you, start their bread butter

I mean seriously

The seven steps Shankar Aiyar outlined include the following. One, return to the Musharraf/Manmohan Singh proposal to create a borderless Kashmir -- where the LOC is rendered irrelevant

And let those wahabis kill rest of sikhs whatever left in Jammu,
After killing all of kaffirs who collide with Sharia, say "We are Kashmir's voice"

– as a precursor to a borderless subcontinent.

Borderless India kehne me phat jati hai?

Two, agree to maintain "uninterrupted and uninterruptable dialogue" that will remain unbroken and regular, irrespective of terrorist attacks or any other calamity.

Irrespective of we start bombing your civilians also?

Three, introduce a visa regime similar to Nepal and remove all restrictions of pilgrimages. As Hoodbhoy agreed, the isolation of the two peoples strengthen the constituencies of hate.

What pilgrimages we are having for Muslims? We know for what they come here for.

The fourth remedy is to ensure a full and free media exchange, including and not limited to movies, TV channels and newspapers.

It's ya who ban them!
Will you let us print the complete UN Resolution 48 inside newspapers instead of what you guys tell yout compatriot, they will see who was actually following resolution.

Five, an open investment regime without any barriers to trade.

They are already open from our side, give us MFN.

Six and seven involve standing together on the international stage to push for the expansion of the UN Security Council

Not possible as long as Pakistan exists, Pakistanis have same reason here to that of Indian Independence,
They can't see Hindus ruling even if they run neutral, world must run in a way to make sure that it doesn't hurt caliphate.

and launch a joint initiative for global nuclear disarmament.

Must include P5.

Sounds naïve and unrealistic?

Stupid

As Shankar Aiyar is quick to remind us, the current European Union would have sounded as impossible a hundred years ago. Much like the French and Germans who fought and killed each other for centuries, we too can live together in "South Asian Union."

Problems in EU and "South Asia" are totally different,

EU is a Union different national entities, Sub continental countries are part of same country who are confused what they are.
Remember, term "South Asia" is younger in age than "India", leave alone Indian names.

I can't find an equivalent of India in EU who includes 70% of population or 80% of economy!

This is OUR country! A little trimmed, yet we have it,
Keep coining new terms as per your needs, Pakistan for Sharia, or South Asian Union for your existence, India gives identity to subcontinent & not fragmented subcontinental regimes to India. And you will keep running for us, not us.

 

[Screambowl]

Unless until they ask
India should not rescue them from China

 

[aghamarshana]

Unless until they ask
India should not rescue them from China

They're not gonna ask in their lifetime...If they're in a dire need of help, they'd approach OIC or other banana republics for a bailout...Let us enjoy watching Chikis bang them real hard.

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[Moroboshi]

Manishankar Aiyyar!!

Enough

A wise man once said and I quote: give me two bullets with Hitler, bin Laden, and Mani Shankar in a room and I will shoot Mani twice.

 

[Willy2]

Q is how to save pakistan .....
Step 1

One, return to the Musharraf/Manmohan Singh proposal to create a borderless Kashmir

Surprise ???? NO

 

[Kalki_2018]

The whole plan is not to save pakistan. These dumb fucks seem to have lost the plot or are living in La La land.

 

[vayuu1]

Pervez Hoodbhoy: Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharaff offered him the Sitara-i-Imtiaz, the third highest honour in the State of Pakistan, but Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy, 61, refused it. A Pakistani scientist, essayist, and political-defence analyst, Hoodbhoy is a professor of nuclear physics and heads the physics department at Quaid-e-Azam University. A strong and avid supporter of nuclear disarmament, non-nuclear proliferation and the peaceful use of nuclear technology in Pakistan.

Mani Shankar Aiyar: A former Indian diplomat with 26 years of service in the Indian foreign services, Aiyar resigned from the IFS in 1989 to join politics. He has been elected as Congress M.P from Mayiladuthurai in 1991 and 2004. He has served has Union Cabinet Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas and Sports Minister. Most recently, he was Minister of Panchayati Raj Minister until he lost his seat in the 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He is a well-known political columnist and the author of Pakistan Papers and Remembering Rajiv, and has edited a four-volume publication, Rajiv Gandhi's India.

How bizarre is it to sit in the comfortable confines of a Goan hotel and discuss ways to save Pakistan? Not ways to counter, restrain or engage the nation – but to save it from itself, in a way. Or that both the Pakistani and the Indian panelist agreed on every point, including the fact that Pakistan did indeed need to be saved, and that its most likely saviour is India.

Both Pervez Hoodbhoy and Mani Shankar Aiyar agree that Pakistan's likeliest saviour is India - Reuters

"Pakistan is in deep trouble," said Hoodbhoy, tracing its woes to 1981 when the very idea of Pakistan changed from that of a Muslim state to a Islamic state. The islamization of Pakistan has since continued apace. "Pakistan is losing its South Asian roots. It's being Arabized," said Hoodbhoy, "You can see it in what we say for goodbye. We now say 'allah hafiz' not 'khuda hafiz." And in that small change is a world of loss.

But how can India save Pakistan? The starting point, according to Shankar Aiyar, is facing two important facts: "Pakistan is an irremovable geographical fact. Pakistan is also an irreversible historical fact."

Next is understanding the root cause of the hostility of the Pakistani state. Pakistan is not a failing or failed state," said Shankar Aiyar, arguing that it is precisely this need to impose unity on a divided, fragmenting nation that makes the state authoritarian. But to maintain it's authority, it needs an 'other,' and that 'other' is India. "The consequence of a failing Pakistan is a state that would attack the 'other' to save its own nation."

Hoodbhoy echoed the same thought in another way: "We have to accept in Pakistan that the two-nation theory has run its course. Moving forward, our idea of the nation has to be more inclusive."

But what we must remember – and quick to forget – claims Shankar Aiyar is that the Pakistani state has largely failed to persuade the Pakistani people. There remains a huge constituency for friendship which we need to work with, as opposed to responding to the constituency of hatred.

Following this logic, what India has to do is pull the rug from under the feet of the authoritarian Pakistani state. "Our response to Pakistan has to be asymmetric. To turn the other cheek," said Shankar Aiyar, "We need to give more than we expect." To discard the idea of reciprocity and create a blitzkrieg of goodwill."

The seven steps Shankar Aiyar outlined include the following. One, return to the Musharraf/Manmohan Singh proposal to create a borderless Kashmir -- where the LOC is rendered irrelevant – as a precursor to a borderless subcontinent. Two, agree to maintain "uninterrupted and uninterruptable dialogue" that will remain unbroken and regular, irrespective of terrorist attacks or any other calamity. Three, introduce a visa regime similar to Nepal and remove all restrictions of pilgrimages. As Hoodbhoy agreed, the isolation of the two peoples strengthen the constituencies of hate.

The fourth remedy is to ensure a full and free media exchange, including and not limited to movies, TV channels and newspapers. Five, an open investment regime without any barriers to trade. Six and seven involve standing together on the international stage to push for the expansion of the UN Security Council and launch a joint initiative for global nuclear disarmament.

Sounds naïve and unrealistic? As Shankar Aiyar is quick to remind us, the current European Union would have sounded as impossible a hundred years ago. Much like the French and Germans who fought and killed each other for centuries, we too can live together in "South Asian Union."

Or so insist the erudite peaceniks in Goa.

http://www.firstpost.com/blogs/seven-ways-india-can-rescue-pakistan-124892.html

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Because of people like MSA,the artificial terrorist state of Pakjabistan still exists

And 8th apna pichwada utha ke bolo ki bhai hum Sab chew.. Tiye hai aur Kashmir lelo free main, congies never learn from mistakes.

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[vayuu1]

Here is the only way to rescue Pakistan... bomb the living hell out of it..

Better hydrogen bomb the hell out of it

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[dhananjay1]

P N Oak sounds more reasonable compared to these clowns.

 

[Defenceindia2010]

They missed out on the most crucial point that has not been mentioned, that is:

Sending shitfaces like Mani Shankar Aiyar :bs:and all individuals like him to Pakistan.

Don't know if Pakistan will be saved by this,(don't give a rats ass) but its a win-win for our nation's future.

 

[Immanuel]

Fuck Pakistan, POK etc. regardless of what anyone says, best is to leave Pak to die it's own natural death, their internal turmoil will eventually ensure that. We shouldn't give two shits about POK till Pak fails, for now best solution is to make LOC permanant recognized border and be done with it. When Pak eventually fails, we could take POK but should we. I am against taking any majority muslim domain by force, Why fight another COIN war after taking POK since you can be sure there will be 10-20% unwashed abduls in those places. Adding to our ever growing populace isn't needed. We have enough people, land, resources and problems to divert our attention on these things.

However when Pak fails and there is overwhelming support in POK for Indian control, we could take it perhaps even without too many shots fired, allows a land connection to Afghan who can be our long term allies.

 

[indus]

Fuck Pakistan, POK etc. regardless of what anyone says, best is to leave Pak to die it's own natural death, their internal turmoil will eventually ensure that. We shouldn't give two shits about POK till Pak fails, for now best solution is to make LOC permanant recognized border and be done with it. When Pak eventually fails, we could take POK.

Agree with most part except the above.
We have been waiting for natural death to happen for a long time. Pakis everytime save themselves by renting their services to foreign forces. Like they did the work of setting up Taliban for US against Soviets. Now giving similar services for Chinese. So we shld not wait for natural death but accelerate their wish to reach jahannum.

 

[hit&run]

Pakistan is a diagnostic test of India if it still suffers from the disease called "Prithviraj Syndrome".

Pakistanis due to their primitive intellect have owned the traits of rapist invaders.

We must accept their identity; how retards it may appear.

Since they recognise themselves with the invaders it our ethereal duty to take revenge, punish them and make a specimen of it so that no dare to attack us.

 

[F-14B]

culturally India has as much claim on Afghanistan as Afghanistan has on NWFP this can be traced back to mentions of Gandhara in the Mahabharata and the fact that the First Indian state Founded by Chandragupta Maurya also Included Afghanistan as part of its sovereign territory

 

[Dovah]

Another day, another alt.

Thread closed for clean-up. Off-topic posts will result in bans. Take the race/caste/demographic stuff to the appropriate thread.

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Thread is open for discussion. Please stay on topic.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

I am interested in Seven ways India can destroy Pakistan.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

I am interested in Seven ways India can destroy Pakistan.

India cannot save Pakistan even if it wants to.

Every groups has its own definition of good and evil,the universe does not revolve around any groups sense of morality and each group is responsible to make its opinion of good being fulfilled.

Pakistan has its own sense of good and evil which is VERY different from India .

Pakistani people ethnically and racially identify mostly with Arabs and some with Persians due to Islamic influence.this is mostly correct as a lot of Pakistan shares genetic links outside of india.only some of it is false as in the case of mohajirs.

Because of this Pakistanis will naturally only care about conquering us even if we try to save it as it is their definition of good as they believe they are destined to rule over us.

Secondly and most importantly why India cannot save Pakistan is religion of Islam.

Islam is designed fundamentally to make a conquered population conquered by Arabs convert to Islam and feel indebted to Arabs implicitly.it is a vehicle for Arab cultural domination.it also is the most expansionist religion as it allow any member of the Islamic population to promote the spreading of the religion in any way possible without restriction on tactics till only Islam is left.they don't care about secularism or economy or nationalism,etc.

This also strengthens the incidence of my first point about ethnicity.as a critical mass of Pakistanis already see themselves as Arabs or Turks whose life's goal is to spread Islam,it means that they don't care if they have frequent terror attacks in their Streets or have an abysmal economy and constant non improvement in terms of poverty,etc as long as they think they are playing a part in the conquering of India.

Thirdly and mostly overlooked is the fact that Pakistan cannot be saved from its trajectory as it itself wanted to be where it is now.this ties in with my first 2 points.
Pakistan was made to house Muslims with barely hidden Islamic structures like blasphemy laws,etc.it was endorsed by the founder himself several time in speeches(even though ironically his pastimes were very unislamic).The remaining words spoken by Jinnah about how Pakistan should be a multi-faith country does not matter as Islam itself will destroy other faiths when it is present in a group of faiths(see point no 2) and religious people and terrorist groups are technically right when they say that Pakistan belongs to islam.this also means most Pakistanis don't want indians to make them secular.this problem may have been mitigated if Pakistan was majority Hindu only country or Buddhist only country for example as these religions can accommodate the development agenda without external pushing unlike Islam.

4thly the only way to make an Islamic country work is to dilute it to the point of death and run the country as a cultural Muslim(read not much of a Muslim) country.Either that or the only two other options are enlightened or brute force dictatorships backed by a strong military.the only example of the former is Turkey and the rest have many examples in the middleeast.they are not foolproof and perfect but work better than current pc methods.Here we have a problem,Pakistan's only institution which can control jihadist,Muslim organisations,madrasahs,mullahs, and last but not the least the huge proportion of die hard Islamic people is the Pakistani military.But the Pakistani military for its selfish reasons has made a deal with these groups as they are the people who can effect damage on India on the best bang for buck basis.they also make India hate a viable strategy for inciting governments to spend on the military and inturn makes the army the one to control the country in most important decisions.why would the army want Pakistan saved according to indias definition of good if it wants to stay relevant.so it won't allow others to save it and won't save Pakistan itself according to indias definition of good.

Now you may say that there is some people in Pakistan who are worth saving.these people however don't matter as they are the usual rootless liberals or mummy daddy burger variety.they don't have the street power,the stomach to face any heavy casualties in their pursuit of saving Pakistan,they also reproduce in small numbers in comparison to the religious folk,require high standards and have the ability and wish to migrate while the jihadist and jihadi sympathetic population is already and majority and will only increase further as a percentage of population.they will bomb and kill in the name of gazwa hind and do it to their own population who are opposing their mission as they will be seen as apostates or athiests they are.they already have good street power and good connections with the army establishment,etc.

So the so called idiot liberal Pakistanis will be killed or they will flee when things get too hot in heir country in the near future as only religious goals and parties will get elected in the future due to demography.not to mention what will happen to the huge population boom in this regards to the economy and terrorism.

 

[indus]

I am interested in Seven ways India can destroy Pakistan.

1. Cut off water supply. A lot of water can be utilized and diverted for use within the ambit of IWT. Better take an excuse of a terror attack to completly break off from the biased treaty.
2. Embolden Baloch orgns and openly give support to their cause.
3. Make entire PoK an openly contested zone where we are free to bomb any Pak asset or terror camp we wish to.
4. Actively fund and support political entities like MQM etc in poK/ Sindh to oppose the policies of Pakjab and its army. This will keep its political arena in chaos.
5. Start an all out economic war with Pak. Promote export of Rice, Cotton, Onion etc to countries which import from Pak. In other words crumble their exports.
6. Activate RAW assets to target HVTs like Dawood, Hafiz etc whenever they are vulnerable.
7. Pressurise Pak from Afghan side and make them trample the Durand line.

 

[Suryavanshi]

1. Cut off water supply. A lot of water can be utilized and diverted for use within the ambit of IWT. Better take an excuse of a terror attack to completly break off from the biased treaty

This will surely lead to war and a massive backslash from international community could even invoke military action against us crippling our economy beyond repair.
We can only ask for more water to ourselves that may as well be heavily opposed by WB
I don't have much insight in IWT I'll like to here more of you're opinion.

2. Embolden Baloch orgns and openly give support to their cause

Brother lets not kid ourselves Baloch freedom struggle are as much of a threat to Pakistan as Naxals are to India. Only in their case they r cracking down heavily.

3. Make entire PoK an openly contested zone where we are free to bomb any Pak asset or terror camp we wish to.

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This is probably the best solution. We can target terrorist bases in POK buy we would have to be ready to face international committee and Narrative war.

4. Actively fund and support political entities like MQM etc in poK/ Sindh to oppose the policies of Pakjab and its army. This will keep its political arena in chaos.

5. Start an all out economic war with Pak. Promote export of Rice, Cotton, Onion etc to countries which import from Pak. In other words crumble their exports.

The top exports of Pakistan are House Linens($2.99B), Rice ($1.7B), Non-Knit Men's Suits($1.48B), Non-Retail Pure Cotton Yarn ($1.18B) and Heavy Pure Woven Cotton ($936M), using the 1992 revision of the HS (Harmonized System) classification. Its top imports are Refined Petroleum ($5.74B), Crude Petroleum ($1.98B), Palm Oil ($1.7B), Petroleum Gas ($1.06B) and Cars($1B).

The top export destinations of Pakistan are the United States ($3.43B), China ($1.59B), the United Kingdom ($1.56B), Afghanistan ($1.37B) and Germany ($1.19B). The top import origins are China ($17.2B), the United States ($2.11B), Indonesia ($2.02B), Japan ($1.93B) and India($1.59B).

6. Activate RAW assets to target HVTs like Dawood, Hafiz etc whenever they are vulnerable.

7. Pressurise Pak from Afghan side and make them trample the Durand line

We should make military bases there just for testing waters

A mix of all these strategies implemented at once will ruin Pakistan eventually.