Seccession of Sindh by military force following major terrorist attack

[Detective Pennington]

I understand that there is already a thread for the liberation of Balochistan and Sindhudesh, but I thought it would be better to make a more specific thread for a particular means of liberating Sindh, specifically in response to a massive terrorist attack in India triggered by the new Taliban/Pak partnership.

If there were to be another 26/11 attack, shoukd India invade Sindh for an all out military effort to free the province from Pakistan? I think this would be the best possible response. The reason being that any attack on POK/GB will probably see a retaliation from China immediately due to the CPEC being threatened, and Sindh is much easier to reach than Balochistan due to sharing a border.

I see three options for how it would play out in a victory situation of conventional warfare.

1. The vast majority of the sindhi people join India in removing Pak military. This will result in being rewarded with assistance to transition to full independence with a functioning government and training of military. We can maximize this probability by reaching out to the leaders of SLA, JSMM and JSQM and have them speak to the sindhi people alongside the Indian PM when he makes his/her speech following the attacks.

2. About half of the Sindhi people assisted the Indian military - give Sindh autonomy within India, as in treat it like J&K pre article 370 revocation.

3. The majority of the Sindhi people opposed the Indian military intervention and fought guerilla alongside Pak military, in which case we forcibly annex them and make them into a new province or federally administered union territory.

The question is, what other variables would be involved? Would china attack anyway? Would US attack, will Pak launch nukes? For China and the US, i think withdrawing from NFT treaty and conducting a nuclear test to show that we can hit all chinese major cities and fertile plains and rivers solves the China problem, Russia will veto economic sanctions if US supports them, and the US problem is solved by war weariness of the American people. As for the Pak nuke problem, if it’s just Sindh, China will probably pressure them to be patient and let the UN handle the Sindh issue over time.

What do you think?

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Lets just say we make all the geo political, economic, man and material sacrifice to take it. Then what!? How are we going to keep it!? Those people have been the subjects of constant brainwashing all these years. How much more are we going to sacrifice geo politically, economically, man and material to hold it!!? It will be like US in AFG.

 

[Detective Pennington]

Lets just say we make all the geo political, economic, man and material sacrifice to take it. Then what!? How are we going to keep it!? Those people have been the subjects of constant brainwashing all these years. How much more are we going to sacrifice geo politically, economically, man and material to hold it!!? It will be like US in AFG.

How did the early Islamic Caliphates and Ottoman empire keep all of the lands that they conquered? You offer incentives to convert to Hinduism. But even if we are driven out, will they go back to Pak? Probably not, they will just be independent.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

They offered incentives to convert, killed the ones that didn't.
If we go there and tell them to convert, what do you think is going to happen!!?
When we pull out, pakis will just take it back.

 

[Detective Pennington]

They offered incentives to convert, killed the ones that didn't.
If we go there and tell them to convert, what do you think is going to happen!!?
When we pull out, pakis will just take it back.

True to a certain extent, you can’t just force conversions in 2021.

What if we were to set up a government led by the nationalist parties before leaving. You think it will be like Afghanistan where some ISI funded group like Talib will take over with Pakistans help and merge back with Pak? (Or maybe Pak military directly since it was originally “theirs”). Or perhaps the government’s military will fight them off. Depends on whether or not the average Sindhi prefers independence over being united with Pak.

 

[Waanar]

True to a certain extent, you can’t just force conversions in 2021.

What if we were to set up a government led by the nationalist parties before leaving. You think it will be like Afghanistan where some ISI funded group like Talib will take over with Pakistans help and merge back with Pak? (Or maybe Pak military directly since it was originally “theirs”). Or perhaps the government’s military will fight them off. Depends on whether or not the average Sindhi prefers independence over being united with Pak.

Separate children and families under the name of education after the age of three. Put an "incompetent parent" kind of clause and form a child services which inevitably fit all the jihadis in India. Take the kids and put them in vedic schools. Maintain transparency, tell them what happened to their past civilization and how they must revive it.

This way, you evade geopolitical stink eye and successfully fix everyone in a single swoop.

 

[Detective Pennington]

Separate children and families under the name of education after the age of three. Put an "incompetent parent" kind of clause and form a child services which inevitably fit all the jihadis in India. Take the kids and put them in vedic schools. Maintain transparency, tell them what happened to their past civilization and how they must revive it.

This way, you evade geopolitical stink eye and successfully fix everyone in a single swoop.

tbh systematically removing kids from the parents and putting them in schools for this reason will still gain geopolitical stink eye. Stephen miller's "kids in cages" policy was predicated on this very thing, that you can't leave a kid with a "criminal" (for illegally crossing the southern border) parent because it's unsafe for the kid, so for the kid's own safety, remove them and temporary place them in lockup (the "cage"). Yet cultural marxists still complained like hell about how evil it was.

 

[Waanar]

tbh systematically removing kids from the parents and putting them in schools for this reason will still gain geopolitical stink eye. Stephen miller's "kids in cages" policy was predicated on this very thing, that you can't leave a kid with a "criminal" (for illegally crossing the southern border) parent because it's unsafe for the kid, so for the kid's own safety, remove them and temporary place them in lockup (the "cage"). Yet cultural marxists still complained like hell about how evil it was.

I should've been more specific. Lesser geopolitical stink eye.

We could go full Vlad the Impaler but that's.... Problematic.

Conflict will inevitably breed disdain among those who see it as a stepping stone to our dominion being established but we have to minimize, rather than silence, opposing noise because silencing the entire world isn't possible.

Do what we may, reconversions will be controversial but we MUST reconvert them, even if it costs us in the short term.

 

[Detective Pennington]

I should've been more specific. Lesser geopolitical stink eye.

We could go full Vlad the Impaler but that's.... Problematic.

Conflict will inevitably breed disdain among those who see it as a stepping stone to our dominion being established but we have to minimize, rather than silence, opposing noise because silencing the entire world isn't possible.

Do what we may, reconversions will be controversial but we MUST reconvert them, even if it costs us in the short term.

Tbh i don't care that much about reconverting Sindh but rather the removal from Pakistan. If it gains independence, you've cut off Pakis from the sea. We can worry about reconverting POK/GB and Sindh in the future.

 

[Waanar]

Tbh i don't care that much about reconverting Sindh but rather the removal from Pakistan. If it gains independence, you've cut off Pakis from the sea. We can worry about reconverting POK/GB and Sindh in the future.

That'd be a mistake. Never allow the enemy to consolidate.
If Sindh becomes a sovereign nation, we can't invade without another backlash.
The time to invade and hold is in an all out war. That's when your authority can be arguably unquestionable.

If Sindh consolidates in its form and government, builds up an organised Army etc later on, the manpower cost will be higher too.

We must immediately swoop in for the territories when Pakistan disintegrates.

 

[Detective Pennington]

That'd be a mistake. Never allow the enemy to consolidate.
If Sindh becomes a sovereign nation, we can't invade without another backlash.
The time to invade and hold is in an all out war. That's when your authority can be arguably unquestionable.

If Sindh consolidates in its form and government, builds up an organised Army etc later on, the manpower cost will be higher too.

We must immediately swoop in for the territories when Pakistan disintegrates.

Makes sense. If you look at #1 in my above post, that probably won't happen since Sindhi independence movement is a bit weak. They will fight us to stay with Pak. Only after we crush both Pak army and Sindhi insurgency in total war (US could have done this in Afghanistan but chose not to wage total war) we can say that it's our right to keep the land after all of the sacrifices our troops made and etc and only grant exceptions to the organizations like JSMM/JSQM and SLA.

 

[Covfefe]

How did the early Islamic Caliphates and Ottoman empire keep all of the lands that they conquered? You offer incentives to convert to Hinduism. But even if we are driven out, will they go back to Pak? Probably not, they will just be independent.

Lol, you cannot offer incentives to convert to Hinduism in India let alone a province of one of the most bastardized Islamic riyasat

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

True to a certain extent, you can’t just force conversions in 2021.

What if we were to set up a government led by the nationalist parties before leaving. You think it will be like Afghanistan where some ISI funded group like Talib will take over with Pakistans help and merge back with Pak? (Or maybe Pak military directly since it was originally “theirs”). Or perhaps the government’s military will fight them off. Depends on whether or not the average Sindhi prefers independence over being united with Pak.

We only see what we want to see. Pakis cuts the intellectual heads off of these seperatist movements as soon as it pops. Forced disappearance and false encounters are common there. These are not to attack the fighters, but to cut the civil support, to kill the idea. All that will remain are the militants. They can do whatever they want with the militants. Nobody will ask anything. If we attacks most people will choose pak or remain neutral. We can't hold that land with mostly hostile people.
These concentration camp type tactics might work in xinjiang, wouldn't work here.
Pakistan will take it militarily. Pakistan is a military state. They have access to the country's entire resources and they have majority support among the population of both pakistan and sindh.

 

[The Shrike]

IMO It's ok to wargame different scenarios, but jeez don't make it sound like mein kampf, please keep it realistic - our government is not able remove a bunch of "farmers" blocking the capital or Mamata doing khels hobe rather not go to "convert or die" etc wet dreams.

 

[Detective Pennington]

We only see what we want to see. Pakis cuts the intellectual heads off of these seperatist movements as soon as it pops. Forced disappearance and false encounters are common there. These are not to attack the fighters, but to cut the civil support, to kill the idea. All that will remain are the militants. They can do whatever they want with the militants. Nobody will ask anything. If we attacks most people will choose pak or remain neutral. We can't hold that land with mostly hostile people.
These concentration camp type tactics might work in xinjiang, wouldn't work here.
Pakistan will take it militarily. Pakistan is a military state. They have access to the country's entire resources and they have majority support among the population of both pakistan and sindh.

What is the main difference between Xinjiang and Sindh? And how is it that we are able to hold onto Kashmir valley if it's mostly hostile people?

 

[FalconSlayers]

People are forgetting that Tharparkar is a Hindu majority district of Sindh and a big one surrounded on most sides by Rajasthan and Gujarat.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

What is the main difference between Xinjiang and Sindh? And how is it that we are able to hold onto Kashmir valley if it's mostly hostile people?

I am talking about sindh. Where did kashmir come from!!?
Xinjiang is an isolated place with china having significant political power/dominance over its neighbours and china have enough economic power, disciplined leadership and bureaucracy to take on any foreign narrative. But most importantly the state has control over the political and religious discourse in that country.

 

[Detective Pennington]

I am talking about sindh. Where did kashmir come from!!?
Xinjiang is an isolated place with china having significant political power/dominance over its neighbours and china have enough economic power, disciplined leadership and bureaucracy to take on any foreign narrative. But most importantly the state has control over the political and religious discourse in that country.

you are saying that we cannot hold onto a mostly hostile land in Sindh, so I am saying that the Kashmir valley is the same, yet we can hold onto it no problem.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

you are saying that we cannot hold onto a mostly hostile land in Sindh, so I am saying that the Kashmir valley is the same, yet we can hold onto it no problem.

Kashmiris are not "mostly "hostile to India. That's propaganda. Its just that the hostile minority gets all the media.

 

[Detective Pennington]

Thinking about this again, I think that Sindh actually belongs to India. The indus valley civilization is primarily concentrated in Sindh (kot diji, mohenjo dara) not to mention it’s literally named after that River. Not to mention all of the ancient hindu kingdoms. I draw the line at Balochistan and Kpk because that is way more iranic in culture and history, but Sindh should join India. I would rather them independent than join Pakistan, but perhaps leave the door open to joining India later on.