Scotland to vote on independence in 2014

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China media: Scottish referendum

Chinese papers see the Scottish referendum as a sign of the UK's weakness, while warning against similar calls in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Media commentaries have been largely wary of the referendum.

Su Hao, a professor with China Foreign Affairs University in Beijing, tells the South China Morning Post that China should not "recognise the legitimacy of such referendums".

The Global Times, in an editorial, comments that "the tide of secessionism is rising in the West".

"The referendum is different from massive riots or disturbances in which immigrants acted as the main forces. It displays in a direct way a division in United Kingdom society. It is a showdown with the purpose of getting a 'divorce'," it says.

Noting that Western countries are making concerted efforts to save a united UK, the article points out that "there is also secessionism in the Oriental world, notably in China, India and Russia".

"However, legal, political and moral systems play an effective role. Liberal practices in the UK might have worked in the past, but now are facing immense uncertainty," it says.

The Chinese edition of the editorial adds that the West has "lacked the ability to self-reform".

"In the past, the British could solve their internal conflicts by snatching colonies to achieve their self-interest. Now it can only rely on internal reform, and here comes the Scottish referendum when such effort to reform has failed," it says, predicting that the Western society will face "more and more such conundrums".

An article in the pro-Beijing Hong Kong-based China Review News Agency describes the "Scottish model" as an "isolated case" which cannot be "replicated".

"The international society widely accepts this concept: the unification or independence of an administrative zone is a sovereignty issue, so the right of decision should belong to the whole country, and not just by the administrative zone that is seeking independence," it says.

Noting that some media outlets in Taiwan are discussing if the island could draw lessons from Scotland, the agency, in another article, says that the Scottish-style referendum "cannot be applied on Taiwan".

"In the foreseeable future, there is no possibility of breaking away from China"¦ Those who have been encouraged by the referendum in Scotland and are calling for independence should return to reality"¦ and give up the fantasy for seeking a referendum for Taiwan's independence," it warns.

China-India ties
Moving on to other news, media continue to give prominent coverage to President Xi Jinping's three-day official visit to India, while playing down news of fresh border clashes.

Both countries have signed 12 agreements in Delhi, one of which will see China investing $20bn (£12.2bn) in India's infrastructure over five years.

Mr Xi's visit, however, comes amid reports in the Indian media that Chinese troops are trying to construct a temporary road into Indian territory across the Line of Actual Control (the de facto boundary) in the disputed Ladakh region over the past week.

However, most media outlets in China make no mention of the reported border clashes but highlight Mr Xi's statement that both countries should "seek a solution that is fair and acceptable to both sides through friendly consultations".

The two countries disagree over the demarcation of several Himalayan border areas and fought a brief war in 1962. Tensions over the issue still flare up from time to time.

The Global Times' Chinese edition observes that the India media outlets have been "stirring up news about Chinese soldiers crossing over the border".

"However, this news did not affect the meeting... we can see this as a sign that both sides are confident about the future," says the report.

BBC News - China media: Scottish referendum
 

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Two things did the Yes camp in, may be.
One, the huge influence of the Scots who are settled in England and doing financially well.
Two the scare mongering by the 'no' camp that way ahead will be too difficult for the fledgeling state .. including threats about currency, EU membership, debt share etc....
bunch of pussies.:rofl::laugh::lol:
 

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TIFWIW

Some people on net are saying that various countries like spain etc in europe desparately wanted britain to stay united lest it would spread across europe and lot of other regions would ask for independence. So such countries along with british govt ensured that NO votes would win(see #125).

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Again TIFWIW

Scottish referendum: Police say reports of fraud confined to Glasgow
The allegations surfaced this morning after officials in Scotland's biggest city noticed a number of irregularities.

Following the conclusion of the vote, this afternoon a spokeswoman for the force said that no arrests had been made, and that they are not aware of any reports of such activity emerging elsewhere.

According to The News Letter's sister paper The Scotsman, officials at Glasgow City Council said there had been allegations of at least 10 instances of fraud, understood to relate to voters pretending to be other people.

Polling stations reported some voters arriving to vote only to discover their names had already been scored off lists.

It is believed the allegations involve several polling stations.
 
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'YES' SUPPORTERS CLAIM VIDEOS SHOW SCOTTISH REFERENDUM WAS RIGGED
Footage shows 'yes' votes being added to 'no' pile

by PAUL JOSEPH WATSON | SEPTEMBER 19, 2014


Despite a ten per cent margin of victory for the 'No' campaign in the Scottish referendum, some supporters of the 'Yes' camp are pointing to videos which they claim show evidence of vote rigging.

Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters rejected independence by a margin of 55% to 45%. The pro-independence campaign claimed 1,617,989 votes but was defeated by the 'Better Together' campaign which obtained 2,001,926 votes. The turnout was 84.5%.

However, almost as soon as the vote count began last night, some were pointing to alleged examples of tampering.

In the first example, bundles of referendum papers are seen on top of a table designated for 'No' votes and yet when zoomed in, the top paper on two of the bundles clearly shows an X marked in the box for 'Yes'.

The second clip shows a man at a desk in a polling station writing on a piece of paper. Some claim this proves he is filling in referendum cards, although he could just as easily be tallying up votes.

The third example is a little harder to explain. It shows a woman at a polling station counting votes. She takes one paper from the 'No' pile and places it in the 'Yes' pile before taking at least two cards from the 'Yes' pile and placing them in the 'No' pile.

Police in Glasgow are also investigating at least ten cases of vote fraud where people turned up to vote only to find that their names had already been crossed off the list, suggesting other people were voting multiple times.

"Last night police officers were present at the count to remove the ballot papers and keep them as evidence,"reports the Daily Mail. "The papers were from 10 different boxes across Glasgow, and not concentrated in one area."

While these videos by no means offer concrete evidence of vote fraud, they do feed into the sentiment that the British establishment was so panicked by the prospect of a 'Yes' vote, a likelihood which grew which after polls narrowed earlier this month, that it would go to any lengths to prevent Scotland from gaining independence


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my take is that the Scots are more comfortable about moving forward one step at a time

they will wait and see if they get the virtual devo-max that was offered to them
especially in the last few days

in reality the pressure is now on Cameron and off Salmond .

( ps as a side note, do you on this forum agree with me that england is more multi-racial
than scotland ? )
 
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my salutes to you Scotts.. unlike Crimea you done a good Job for your Future Generation ..Stay United Stay Forever

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Two things did the Yes camp in, may be.
One, the huge influence of the Scots who are settled in England and doing financially well.
Two the scare mongering by the 'no' camp that way ahead will be too difficult for the fledgeling state .. including threats about currency, EU membership, debt share etc....
did they forgot freedom requires sacrifice,people lays down their life for freedom and these pussies got afraid of economy.:rofl::laugh::lol:
 

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Satire: Tony Blair Urges the "Ukraine Solution": Air Strikes Against Scotland in Event of 'Yes' Vote

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has urged the UK government to consider military action against Scotland in the event of a vote for independence.

Mr Blair, who was prime minister between 1997 and 2007, broke his silence in the debate over Scottish independence to urge air strikes – including the use of the Trident independent nuclear deterrent – against Scottish strategic targets in the event of a 'Yes' victory next Thursday.

Interviewed in Kiev, Mr Blair said on Saturday that he hoped Scots would vote against independence, but warned that if Scotland voted to break up the United Kingdom then military intervention would be inevitable: "Obviously I hope that Scotland votes to stay part of the United Kingdom. But Scotland should prepare itself for a full-scale invasion by ground forces if it doesn't."

Mr Blair's comments came just weeks after the former PM called for NATO leaders to agree a joint campaign of targeted bombings and drone attacks against badgers in support of the UK government's campaign to control the spread of TB in the British countryside.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/pview/2014/09/17/satire-tony-blair-urges-the-ukraine-solution-air-strikes-against-scotland-in-event-of-yes-vote.html
 

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Re: Referendum for the separation of Scotland from the rest of the UK

Source: BBC News - Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?

Scotland has voted "No" to independence in the historic referendum on the nation's future.

I think it is a wise decision as it would have been extremely difficult for them to survive on their own without the rest of UK. Ditto UK.
 

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Re: Referendum for the separation of Scotland from the rest of the UK

Source: BBC News - Scotland votes 'No': What happens now?

Scotland has voted "No" to independence in the historic referendum on the nation's future.

I think it is a wise decision as it would have been extremely difficult for them to survive on their own without the rest of UK. Ditto UK.
@Ahsan Bin Tufail what it has to do with indian affairs dude wrong section

there is already a thread with good discussion going on here

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/europe-russia/42596-scotland-vote-independence-2014-a-10.html
@pmaitra please merge this thread with the above
 
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Re: Referendum for the separation of Scotland from the rest of the UK

@Ahsan Bin Tufail what it has to do with indian affairs dude wrong section

there is already a thread with good discussion going on here

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/europe-russia/42596-scotland-vote-independence-2014-a-10.html
@pmaitra please merge this thread with the above
Thanks @AVERAGE INDIAN , @pmaitra . I was unaware of this thread before starting my own. Dear @pmaitra, please do me a favour, if you can, delete my thread on this topic. I will be careful in starting a new thread in the future. Thanks.
 
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Don't really have an opinion on Scottich independence and am confused why so many Indians do.

Can understand why you'd have issues with British colonisation, and (from my perspective rather misplaced) schadenfreude about the break up of great Britain. But when it came to colonisation, Scotland wasn't just involved they were disproportionately connected with the dodgy parts. Scottish banks had huge amounts of excess capital which it invested to "develop" the economy of the Empire, while Scottish Protestants were quite (/massively) a bit more commited to missionary work than their English/ Welsh/ Northern Irish cousins
 

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Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon vows to hold 'legal' independence vote

London – Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on Sunday said she planned to hold a legal referendum on independence from Britain despite Westminster’s opposition, as an opinion poll showed a majority would vote yes.

If her Scottish National Party (SNP) wins a strong showing in regional elections in May, Sturgeon said she would seek a fresh referendum even though Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said such a vote should only be held once in a generation.

“I want to have a legal referendum, that is what I am going to seek the authority of the Scottish people for in May and if they give me that authority, that’s what I intend to do,” she told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show.

Johnson “will flatly refuse the demand,” The Sunday Times quoted senior government sources as saying.

Sturgeon cited the fact that “the polls now show that a majority of people in Scotland want independence.”

A Sunday Times poll found 50% of Scottish voters wanted another referendum in the next five years and 49% would vote for independence, while 44% would reject it.

A 2014 referendum saw 55% vote “no.”

The Sunday Times quoted a forecast that the SNP will win a “landslide” in May polls for the Scottish parliament, giving Sturgeon a strong basis to call for the vote.

She spoke as the Scottish National Party (SNP) was due to discuss its “roadmap to a referendum” at a policy forum on Sunday.

The SNP says it will request a Section 30 order from the British government allowing the holding of another referendum. If this is refused it intends to push through its own legislation to prepare for a referendum and “vigorously” oppose a legal challenge from London.

Scotland could hold a preliminary referendum, calling for negotiations on independence, Alan Trench of University College’s constitutional unit told The Sunday Times.

The newspaper poll found 50% of Scottish voters wanted another independence referendum in the next five years, despite the fact only 22% thought an independent country would be better off economically.

“Brexit and the coronavirus crisis … appear to be driving Scottish voters away from union with England,” the newspaper wrote.

Twenty-two percent thought Johnson had done a good job in tackling the pandemic, versus 61% for Sturgeon.

The poll also found 53% in Scotland would vote to rejoin the EU.


 

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