Scientists reconstruct faces of Indus Valley people

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Jasper Eidem in 2014 reported the earlier study done by Farouk Ismail, in reference to the word marijannu that was found in a letter from Tell Leilan in northern Syria dating to a period slightly before 1761 BC, which is the time when the reign of Zimri-Lim ended in the region of Mari. According to Kroonen et al. (2018) this may be considered as an early Indo-Aryan linguistic presence in Syria two centuries prior to the formation of the Mitanni realm, as mariannu can be seen as a Hurrianized form of the Indo-Aryan *marya, which means man or youth, associated to military affairs and chariots. Jasper Eidem (2014) comments that it's very surprising "the mention of marijannu soldiers to be exchanged between a ruler of Leilan and another king with a Hurrian name" and that "Leilan letter L.87–887, [was] sent from Kirip-seris to Himdija,[...] with reference to a journey to Babylon to visit the 'king'. Presumably the letter dates to the very end of Zimrı-Lîm’s reign, or shortly after the fall of Mari. The soldiers exchanged are described as shab ma-ri-ia-nim /shabı sa ma-ri-a/ia-nim."
 
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Indo-Aryan presence in Syria around 1750bce but hey these Indra Mitra Varuna Ashwin Agni worshiping people arrived from steppe into India only after 1500bce and compiled hymns about dried up mighty saraswati around 1200bce.


The whole CHRONOLOGY is messed up.

Indo-Iranian became Iranic and Aryan somewhere around Afghanistan but instead of moving South into India they end up at Anatolia that too 200 years before the Vedic Aryans.
 

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Indo-European languages spread along with horse was the held belief till yesterday.

Now we know for sure that European languages didn't spread with horse as horse domestication came quite late.

This find is enough to dismiss that horse and chariot was also responsible for spread of Sanskrit and Vedic culture.

In other words horse language and culture model of IE languages spread is flawed. If horses and chariots came later then their presence in European myths and Indo-Iranian myths can't be traced to common origin.
 

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Arguments of AIT/AMT scholars on actual archaeological evidence from Harappan civilization.

01 Pashupati seal isn't Shiva
02 Horse like bones are likely Ass
03 Fire alters are likely cooking ovens
04 Chariot in Sinauli is likely a Cart
05 Lingams arent really Shivling
06 Priest King isnt really a Priest
07 Swastika proves nothing


But without any archaeological evidence

01 Andronovo are Indo-Iranian
02 BMAC is later phase of migration
03 Harappan language is Proto-Dravidian

😂😆
01 Pashupati seal is indeed Shiva, the fact that he sits in Muladharasana,not padhmasana as most people think (as per Michel Danino) ,which is actually a key posture in Kundalini Yoga , the fact that animals surrounding him also proves that he is Shiva
02 There were no horse remains after the so called Aryan Invasion in 1500 BCE too
03 If they were cooking hearths , why there were animal bones in them,which hints a fire ritual, also why the ratios and shapes matches with present day fire altars.
04 It's a full chariot unlike the wheel impressions in sintashtha
05 If not Shiva Linga, then what is it ??
 

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Namazga V and Altyndepe were also in contact with the Late Harappan culture (ca. 2000-1600 BC). In Altyn Depe, many Indus Valley items were found, including objects made of ivory, and stamp seals of the Harappian type. At least one item contained Harappian writing.

Interesting!

When Harappans were moving North into BMAC, Parapola and his gang of scholars believe Aryans were moving South into the same region. 😂

Another interesting thing that comes out is that Rig Vedic Aryans from sapta-sindhu considered daha/Dahyu from around altyin-depe as their enemy 😃

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Some scholars also maintain that there were etymological links between the Dahae and Dacians (Dacii), a people of ancient Eastern Europe.

🙄 But But But East Europeans were Aryans 😂
 

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This article, in a volume in honor of the "father" of Central Asian Archaeology, Victor Sarianidi, is a solid recap of the many connections between the ancient Indus civilization and contemporaneous Central Asian cultures. The discoveries at Gonur Depe, Ana Depe and Altyn Depe ("Depe" means mound) in Turkemenistan (almost 1,400 kilometers from Mohenjo-daro, straight across Afghanistan) in recent decades have been remarkable for how much they suggest deep and important contacts between Indus and so-called BMAC (Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex) culture that flourished during roughly the same period (and which Victor Sarianidi did so much to help discover in the 1970s).

These include a wide variety of ivory objects like dice and hairpins; Bakry adds "ivory objects were not only found at Altyn Depe and Gonur Depe, there were also unique ivory discs unearthed at Djarkutan (Southern Uzbekistan), where we can also find the depictions of the pipal leaves (typical Indus motif)" (p. 424). Then there are the ceramics; about a fifth of Harappan types have counterparts in the later (Namazga V) phase of BMAC culture (about 2300-1800 BCE). These includes the dish-on-stand and perforated jar types. Seals have been found, Bakry notes: "It is important that Altyn Depe seals were uncovered in a ritual center including a tomb for priests, where various valuable artifacts were found near the altar, including the golden head of a bull and the seal number 2 [a swastika seal]" (p. 427). Indeed, it seems as if it is in burials of the elites and what could be priestly or ritual centers that many of the finds of the most sophisticated goods were made. Beads, bangles, even a faience monkey figurine has been found at Gonur Depe.

Just like with the Indus civilization, much work needs to be done – e.g. more sites need to be excavated and hopefully will be in the coming decades – in Turkmenistan and Central Asia. The evidence so far suggests that many more connections between the two areas during the Bronze Age will be discovered, and we will find, once again, that peoples and cultures thousands of years ago were in far deeper contact than we often think today. In that sense, this comprehensive compilation is just the beginning of what one day might be many volumes of ancient Indus connections to a civilization to the northwest we know so very little about.
 
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They once believed in this "The Dravido-Harappan Colonization of Central Asia" based on the idea that Harappans were Dravidian.

But as per Indeginous Aryanism, Harappans were Vedic Aryans so it will become "The Aryo-Harappan Colonization of Central Asia"


Quickly the theory was discarded and came in the theory that BMAC was a mixture of indo-Iranians from Andronovo and native central Asians who later migrated to India.


but more recent studies point out that BMAC contribution to Indian ancestry is so low it can be completed discarded as the source of steppe ancestry.

😀😁😂
 

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Found something interesting

The Indus Valley Civilization appears to have been somewhat diverse genetically. Note that some individuals can be modelled as purely Indian and Iranian Hunter-Gatherers (HG), while others show signs of Caucasian HG ancestry.
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On average, the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) can be represented as the following population admixture:

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After 2000 BC we see the intrusion of the Aryans into the Indus Valley. During this Vedic Period, we see the appearance of Aryan ancestry in Indians, though interestingly, no corresponding appearance of Anatolian ancestry, indicating the Aryans didn't bring BMAC ancestry.

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By the post-Vedic period, we still see roughly the same levels of Steppe-ancestry in the Indus Valley as we did earlier, however the Indian ancestry seems to be increasing, indicating population flow from the Gangetic Basin into the Indus Valley.

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Most modern South Asian populations are still comprised of the same basic components as they were after the Aryans invaded (with varying proportions), though at the periphery certain populations do show signs of other ancestral inputs.

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My only disagreement is with the entry of steppe dna which happened after 200bce not 2000bce.
 

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For some odd reason my pointed question to him has disappeared and many of my posts to survivethejive too have been deleted

Especially posts on pre Aryan caucosid features and Indian chariot.

🙄😁😄
 

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Found something interesting

The Indus Valley Civilization appears to have been somewhat diverse genetically. Note that some individuals can be modelled as purely Indian and Iranian Hunter-Gatherers (HG), while others show signs of Caucasian HG ancestry.
View attachment 115756

On average, the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) can be represented as the following population admixture:

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After 2000 BC we see the intrusion of the Aryans into the Indus Valley. During this Vedic Period, we see the appearance of Aryan ancestry in Indians, though interestingly, no corresponding appearance of Anatolian ancestry, indicating the Aryans didn't bring BMAC ancestry.

View attachment 115758

By the post-Vedic period, we still see roughly the same levels of Steppe-ancestry in the Indus Valley as we did earlier, however the Indian ancestry seems to be increasing, indicating population flow from the Gangetic Basin into the Indus Valley.

View attachment 115760
Most modern South Asian populations are still comprised of the same basic components as they were after the Aryans invaded (with varying proportions), though at the periphery certain populations do show signs of other ancestral inputs.

View attachment 115761

My only disagreement is with the entry of steppe dna which happened after 200bce not 2000bce.
Very abrasive and arrogant of the Zooropeans to mark some particular Haplogroup as Caucasian for all we know those haplogroups have origins in India.
 

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Very abrasive and arrogant of the Zooropeans to mark some particular Haplogroup as Caucasian for all we know those haplogroups have origins in India.
Yup. Even on 23&me they claim R1a originated in Eastern Europe. As long as that identification remain they will always point to this conclusion.
 

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