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There is Any Indian Base In Doha ?? we have similar contract with Oman .............so If Oman is supporting Saudi then what we will Do ?
I dont think we have any foreign base in ME..but we do have similar pact with Oman.
Though i cant confirm both for sure.
 

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Turkey backs Qatar in Arab dispute as Trump claims to support solution

 

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Can turkey afford to go against USA?????
Of course. What can the US do at the most? Turkey is now party to the Turkish Stream. Basically, this is Putin's game plan.
  1. Bypass the Kiev Regime for gas transit to Western Europe.
  2. Let Turkey have a stake in the gas pipeline business so that they see profit in not allowing the Saudis from challenging the Russian gas supply monopoly.

Notice, the Russian Sukhoi-24 was shot down just before the Russian Parliament was about to vote to approve the Turkish Stream. The Turkish Deep State probably was motivated by somebody who did not want Turkey to walk into Russia's orbit. Turkey was estranged from Europe for a long time.

Everyone is busy playing their little games.
 
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I wonder what should be Indian strategy in all this.

Do we just sit aside and watch the events unfold? Or should we try and get involved to further our interests in the region.

Because one thing's for certain we'll have to do a careful balancing act so that we able able to work with Iran on Chabahar port and at the same time we need to make sure sure our broad spectrum co-ooperation with with Israel continues unabated.
 

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Of course. What can the US do at the most? Turkey is now party to the Turkish Stream. Basically, this is Putin's game plan.
  1. Bypass the Kiev Regime for gas transit to Western Europe.
  2. Let Turkey have a stake in the gas pipeline business so that they see profit in not allowing the Saudis from challenging the Russian gas supply monopoly.

Notice, the Russian Sukhoi-24 was shot down just before the Russian Parliament was about to vote to approve the Turkish Stream. The Turkish Deep State probably was motivated by somebody who did not want Turkey to walk into Russia's orbit. Turkey was estranged from Europe for a long time.

Everyone is busy playing their little games.
Things have changed between Russia and turkey since the sukhoi episode,they are improving but still needs a lot improvement.

What does turkey have to gain if it drifts away from USA??
Their actions in Syria and their behaviour towards Europe is not inline with the USA.This Saudi Qatar rift I think is backed by the USA.They just don't want a trace of Iran in the Persian gulf.

With turkey supporting the Qataris,they are maneuvering in a manner to against the USA.

I don't think Russia will help turkey on a diplomatic stage under any circumstance, turkey is a NATO member,hosts American nukes and can use them against Russia,they are pushing to get in the EU.
 
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I wonder what should be Indian strategy in all this.

Do we just sit aside and watch the events unfold? Or should we try and get involved to further our interests in the region.

Because one thing's for certain we'll have to do a careful balancing act so that we able able to work with Iran on Chabahar port and at the same time we need to make sure sure our broad spectrum co-ooperation with with Israel continues unabated.
For starters,steam roll our FMCG companies In Qatar....
Make money,deepen economic military ties and if possible set a naval base....
 

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I wonder what should be Indian strategy in all this.

Do we just sit aside and watch the events unfold? Or should we try and get involved to further our interests in the region.

Because one thing's for certain we'll have to do a careful balancing act so that we able able to work with Iran on Chabahar port and at the same time we need to make sure sure our broad spectrum co-ooperation with with Israel continues unabated.
The Indian strategy here should be to ensure Pakistan isn't involved with any of this. Pakistan will want make itself feel important by adding pressure upon Qatar to make concessions to the coalition led by KSA. This is something India must stalemate at every stage.

There are hundreds of thousands of Indian citizens in not just Qatar, but each of the other belligerents (KSA, Bahrain, UAE, etc). We must do nothing to piss them off.
 

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The Indian strategy here should be to ensure Pakistan isn't involved with any of this. Pakistan will want make itself feel important by adding pressure upon Qatar to make concessions to the coalition led by KSA. This is something India must stalemate at every stage.

There are hundreds of thousands of Indian citizens in not just Qatar, but each of the other belligerents (KSA, Bahrain, UAE, etc). We must do nothing to piss them off.
I don't think Pakistan will be able to do much here, they've tried offering their "good offices" to mediate, but have been rebuffed by KSA and UAE. Plus, this is largely driven by US in the background and they'll not let Napakis get their claws deep into this- see how RawHeel's wings were clipped?

Pakistan trying to put pressure on Qatar would be the same as geedar trying to intimidate a lion. US with it's base in Qatar doesn't need anyone else moving into their sphere of influence, much less the Napakis.

What Pakistanis can do is offer their escort services- troops, bums etc at the feet of their masters and try and get some major concessions in return- a cap on Indian workers, support on Kashmir etc. But after their failure to walk the talk during the Yemen crisis, it remains to be seen how far the KSA princes will trust Pakistan.

This is not to say that Napakis do not have any leverage.Terrorism (along with absolute lack of dignity and honour) remains their biggest leverage and if the KSA offers enough- support against India, free oil, free money etc. they'll crawl into GUBO position in a blink of an aye.

In fact, China and to an extent Russia are best placed to exploit this situation along with Turkey. Should the push come to a shove, Russia and China can easily move in to "protect" Qatar and gain a few airbases and huge gas deposits in the process.

This could see the formation of a US-KSA-UAE axis on one side pit against Russia-China-Iran-Qatar block on the other.

Napakis as usual will look for corner to plonk themselves in and wait for the call to be sodomised by whoever emerges as the bigger dog.
 

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Qatar says it won't 'surrender' in Gulf row

BY AFP | UPDATED: JUN 09, 2017, 07.54 AM IST


DOHA: Qatar said Thursday it will not "surrender" and rejected any interference in its foreign policy, defying its Gulf neighbours in an escalating dispute over its alleged support for extremists.

In an interview with AFP, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani said calls for a change in Qatari policy from Saudi Arabia and its allies, which cut diplomatic ties with Doha this week, were unacceptable.

"No one has the right to intervene in our foreign policy," Sheikh Moh ..

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So why Qatar is being isolated and threatened ? Because Qatar is trying to drift away from KSA group and inching closer and closer to Iran. As I said before, ultimate target is Iran ...any nation coming close to Iran will be intimidated by KSA and Company.

The ultimate backers of KSA & Co are far in the West. Turkey has been drifting away slowly from Western grip but it is tied due to being a NATO member.
Turkey wants to take a stand in the middle and not on extreme pole of this polarized Middle East with one pole as KSA and other pole Iran.
Pakistan is in a precarious position as it's new paymaster, China does not approve radicalism and terrorism
whereas old paymaster can no more trust Pakistan so KSA is not going to let Pakistan come too close to itself.

There are no Indian bases in any country EXCEPT one in Tajikistan. Are you watching SCO Summit going on in Asthana today. No news about this in fake media...interesting !
 

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I wonder what should be Indian strategy in all this.

Do we just sit aside and watch the events unfold? Or should we try and get involved to further our interests in the region.

Because one thing's for certain we'll have to do a careful balancing act so that we able able to work with Iran on Chabahar port and at the same time we need to make sure sure our broad spectrum co-ooperation with with Israel continues unabated.
Our interest in this game is only to the extent of LNG supply deal signed two years back and lakhs of Indians working there.

As long as American forces are based out of Qatar, LNG supply is unlikely to stop.

So basically there is nothing much we can do and we don't need to do anything here.
 

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I dont think we have any foreign base in ME..but we do have similar pact with Oman.
Though i cant confirm both for sure.
we have small naval base in Oman . r&aw ME station chief also in Oman
 

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It's an intra-gulf Arab family feud about who is going to support what kind of Jihadis, along with Iran and Turkey trying to spread their influence in the region.

 

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Now Turkey has passed the law and is going to send troops to Qatar. Meanwhile, Trump has strongly condemned Qatar and has said that Qatar supports terrorist groups at very high level.

This is escalating way too fast.
 

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Trump will always be with Saudi Royal Family...as where the money is...He is a shrewed businessman..he thinks what is profitable to him and his family....remember Bush-Chenny.....trump is simply following up where they left.

This time, only difference is that the Middle East is getting divided in the middle....and the rift is becoming obvious to rest of the World. And..this may fracture not be repaired...
 

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Now Turkey has passed the law and is going to send troops to Qatar. Meanwhile, Trump has strongly condemned Qatar and has said that Qatar supports terrorist groups at very high level.

This is escalating way too fast.
As opposed to supporting terrorists at lower levels, which is just fine.

Also Turkey, on same side as Iran. :shock:
 

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As opposed to supporting terrorists at lower levels, which is just fine.

Also Turkey, on same side as Iran. :shock:
That's a shocker to me....

They are a NATO member,have plenty of American military weapons....

Just don't understand what turkey is doing??

Are they trying to become a regional power breaker or what
 

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That's a shocker to me....

They are a NATO member,have plenty of American military weapons....

Just don't understand what turkey is doing??


Are they trying to become a regional power breaker or what
USA is doing what they do best..batting for and supporting both sides of the equation.
A direct intervention through Saudi and A proxy intervention through Turkey and the foundation of escalation is based on a solid solid framework- Ideology.

Thats the usual USA style.

Soon this situation will slip into a catch 22 for the arabs and short of a full blown war.....as there is a fight between oil producing countries ..naturally the petro dollar will be in demand and US will have a gain no matter however and whatever way the situation slips..and USA will be umpiring this game.
 

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