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>SA and Qatar fund and train ISIS
>Qatar goes a "little" overboard"
>starts supporting pretty much every single Islamic Extremist in existence
>SA gets mad
>SA now wants to fuck Qatar
>also gas
 

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[edited] ....Look at the jump in Oil this looks like a classic tactic of pushing oil up north ..Isolating Iran from any GCC countries support .. Looks like Amerika really wants to invade iran ...Preparations toh waise hi lag raha hai seeings these Dramas ...
 
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[edited] ....Look at the jump in Oil this looks like a classic tactic of pushing oil up north ..Isolating Iran from any GCC countries support .. Looks like Amerika really wants to invade iran ...Preparations toh waise hi lag raha hai seeings these Dramas ...
this jump in price of oil may hamper our economy:sad:
 
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At least when you accuse of other nations of supporting terrorism there should be appropriate follow up actions such as taken by KSA and Egypt.



Unlike the [edited] Rona from our side after each major terrorist attack but don't have the guts to declare Pak a terrorist supporting state and kick Paki diplomats from India.
 
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At least when you accuse of other nations of supporting terrorism there should be appropriate follow up actions such as taken by KSA and Egypt.



Unlike the Randi Rona from our side after each major terrorist attack but don't have the guts to declare Pak a terrorist supporting state and kick Paki diplomats from India.
I feel that things are changing, there is always a plan.

I believe 2018 is when we'll have Chabahar and route to Afghanistan. Once this is done, Pak will loose MFN, no trade, in fact it will be surrounded and face worse.

Why 2018!!??
1. Pak will start paying interest to China.
2. With no trade, Pak has to buy same goods from Iran at higher costs. Trade with Afghan reduces(since Afghan will be importing from Iran)
3. Filling up 6 billion trade in a short notice is no joke. If someone says China fills it up with its cheap goods, ask this question too i.e who is going to pay transport charges.
4. By mid 2018, we'll say enough is enough no MFN, no trade...even WTO won't be able to help Pakistan even if it wanted to.
5. Pak isolation will be fresh in people minds when they go and vote.

Now coming to Randi Rona, it has its benefits bro... During 1971, we made the whole world know what happened so that UN don't interfere in the war like they did in 1965(anyone cares to disagree; a hard lesson learned from 1965) similar tactics were used in Kargil too, UN didn't interfered in the issue. We are doing same Randi Rona, so that WTO should not interfere after we take of MFN.

I agree that we didn't hit Pak when ever we should have. But every blow we gave to Pak was so powerful that it just made Pak cry out loud only to notice no one ever cared for it. Hope you know, Pak DGMO wants to have a meeting with our DGMO; there must be a strong reason (care to disagree). Only couple of months ago we were wishing for strong action from army and support from govt.

These are just my views and assumptions.... please feel free to point out if you find something is not right and if you add you views, then it would be great.
 

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Five reasons why Israel should care about the Qatar crisis

BySeth J. Frantzman
June 5, 2017 16:05

Israel's image in the region likely can improve amid the current developments.



Gulf nations cut ties with Qatar (credit: REUTERS)



1. It hurts Hamas

Qatar has supported Hamas over the last decade and hosted former Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal for the last five years in Doha. In 2012 Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani visited Gaza and pledged hundreds of millions for the Strip. Qatar therefore provided Hamas not only a home in Doha but financial support and diplomatic succor. The new pressure on Qatar has encouraged it to expel Hamas members and will reduce its support for the group. This may also isolate Turkey’s relations with Hamas. Qataris are now focused on which airlines will still fly to the country tomorrow, spending money on the Gaza Strip and hosting Hamas may seem like a liability they don’t need now. Hamas will find itself with even fewer allies which could give Israel leverage to encourage the group to change its ways. More likely, Hamas may lash out against Israel to show its relevance.

2. It brings Israel closer to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf

Israel has shared interests with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states in opposing Iran. Because Qatar has supported Hamas, the new crises encourages those states that oppose Qatar to see Israel as a partner against Hamas and against Iran. This relationship has already been quietly growing in recent years, but the crises with Qatar allows writers in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf to speak out more firmly against Hamas. Saudi's Al Arabiya has showcased interviews with Wonder Woman's Gal Gadot.


3. It shows US influence is back in the region

The background of the current crises was a feeling that US President Donald Trump’s speech to “drive out” terror gave a blank check to local states to act. Under Barack Obama Israel sometimes felt isolated, especially as the US pursued the Iran deal. Now Israel feels that the Americans are back in the region and will stand by their allies.


4. It delegitimizes terror

The regimes that have broken relations with Qatar pay lip-service to fighting terror and instability. Israel prefers a stable region without terror groups undermining neighboring states. However there is ISIS in Sinai, Hamas in Gaza, Jihadists near the Golan and Hezbollah on the Golan and in Lebanon. In that sense Israel knows that any greater instability can be a threat. So long as Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other states work in concert, the winds of stability will blow in Israel’s direction as well. The saying “all ships rise with the tide” is apt. All stable countries in the region will rise if extremist groups are reduced.


5. It bolsters Israel’s hand in general and Israel’s current government in particular


Israel benefits when it is not the center of attention and certainly when it is not under pressure. This is a boon for the current government because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long spoken about working towards quietly cultivating regional relationships beyond Egypt and Jordan that stretch to the Gulf. He has spoken about the Iranian threat for two decades. If the Arab states are more concerned with Iran and Qatar, than with the Palestinians, that takes pressure off of Israel, at a time when Palestinians are trying to remind the region that they are facing fifty years of living under Israel’s military rule. Over the years Israel has gone from being seen as the center of the region’s problems, to today when the Palestinian issue is dwarfed by larger conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Yemen Libya and now in the Gulf. That plays into Netanyahu’s narrative, and takes the wind out of any sails that hoped 50 years since 1967 would have some sort of jarring affect. This will have some blowback because voices in the region will accuse the Gulf and Saudi of working "for Israel." Syria and Iran already accuse them of working with Israel. But these voices are already opposed Israel, which means Israel's image in the region likely can improve amidst the current crises.
 

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I think the only soft power of Qatar is Al Jazeera, its own IBM (international big mouth).

And its hard power? Al Udeid Air Base of the US.



Maybe Qatar will wake up toeing the Saudi line of distancing itself from Iran, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
 

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Qatar-Gulf rift: The Iran factor

Deep in the Gulf waters between Qatar and Iran lies the world's largest gas field, a 9,700-sq-km expanse that holds at least 43 trillion cubic metres of gas reserves.

Qatar's southern portion is known as North Field, while Iran's slice to the north is called South Pars. The two countries share exploration rights in the area, and its one of many ties that bind them.

But Doha's relationship with Tehran has been put to a new test on Monday, after Iran's regional rival Saudi Arabia led four other countries in cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar, accusing its fellow Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member of undermining security in the region by siding with Iran, among other actions.

Saudi also urged "all brotherly countries and companies" to follow its lead in isolating Qatar, a call that GCC members Kuwait and Oman have so far sidestepped.

Saudi said Qatar is supporting "Iranian-backed terrorist groups" in its province of Qatif and in Bahrain, accusations that Doha branded a "campaign of lies that have reached the point of complete fabrication".

What's behind the diplomatic breakdown in the Gulf?

Riyadh also said "authorities in Doha" have supported the Iran-backed Houthi armed group in Yemen. This despite Qatar's deployment of an estimated 1,000 troops to support the two-year Saudi-led campaign there.

In an editorial published on Monday, The National newspaper owned by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) government also denounced Qatar's "false friendship" citing the "close ties between Doha and Tehran".

"Iran's actions in the Middle East have cost Doha's Arab neighbours blood and treasure," the editorial said, adding "the regime across the Arabian Gulf is no friend to Doha".

Al Jazeera senior political analyst Marwan Bishara, however, said the accusation "does not hold water", noting Abu Dhabi also maintains diplomatic relations with Tehran.

"And yet it prefers to sever its relationship with Qatar, rather than with Iran," he said.

In a separate statement, the Qatari Cabinet said the measures taken by the five countries against Doha were "unjustified".

"The aim is clear and it is to impose guardianship on the state. This by itself is a violation of its [Qatar's] sovereignty as a state."


Residents of Qatar welcome Saudi King Salman during his visit in Doha in December 2016 [Reuters]

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Souzan Krdli, a Tehran-based Gulf analyst, said more than demanding Doha's allegiance, Saudi and the UAE want to "rein Qatar in" and make it "another Bahrain if you will" in terms of foreign policy.

"Saudi and the UAE have always been troubled with Qatar's outreach and ambitious diplomacy," she told Al Jazeera.

Krdli, who previously worked at Qatar University, said Doha's relationship with Tehran reflects the country's attempt since 1995 "to carve a policy that is independent of its neighbours".

"This independence was an objective in itself, as well as a means to secure sovereignty" in the face of its larger neighbours, primarily Saudi with whom Qatar has had territorial disputes as recent as 1992, she said.

"The continuation of this independent foreign policy means banking on the economic and diplomatic ties Qatar has forged through investment, natural gas export, diplomacy and mediation."

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In the middle of the current rift with Saudi, Krdli said Qatar is also "obliged" to maintain "a middle position" with Iran because of its shared gas exploration in the Gulf.

Krdli also noted unlike previous disputes, when Qatar took immediate conciliatory actions to Saudi and the UAE, Doha is taking a more "defiant" stand this time.

Along with the decision by Saudi to cut diplomatic ties with Qatar, Riyadh has also decided to block air, sea and land transport links.

There have been reports of trucks carrying food shipments from Saudi being blocked at the Qatari border.

Mediation not escalation
Sadegh Ghorbani, editor of the Tehran-based Fars News Agency, told Al Jazeera the regional tension is "not welcome by Iran".

"However, it is clear that a rift in the GCC can be beneficial to Iran," he said. "Saudi Arabia is a lifeline for Qatar in terms of trade. We must wait and see whether Iran and Turkey can fill the void."

Already, Iran has offered food shipments to Qatar. Reza Nourani, chairman of Iran's union of agricultural exporters, said such transfers can reach Doha in 12 hours.

What's behind the diplomatic breakdown in the Gulf? – Inside Story
Earlier, Iran's foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi called for a "clear and explicit dialogue" among the feuding parties, saying tensions would only threaten the interests of everyone in the region.

His statement reflected the social media posts of Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif who wrote, "Neighbours are permanent; Geography can't be changed. Coercion is never the solution. Dialogue [sic] is imperative, especially during blessed Ramadan."

Mahjoob Zweiri, a Middle East expert at Qatar University, told Al Jazeera's Folly Bah Thibault third party mediation is necessary to resolve the "crisis" immediately.

He said Saudi Arabia and its allies cannot leave Qatar without any other options by forcing it to choose sides.

"This is a scenario that will not lead to a solution. If this goes on, this will empower Iran in the region. I don't think Riyadh wants this," Zweiri, a doctorate graduate from the University of Tehran, said.

"I think if there is no mediation, if there is no third party intervening, I think we could see more escalation in this crisis."

 
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View attachment 16498 Five reasons why Israel should care about the Qatar crisis

BySeth J. Frantzman
June 5, 2017 16:05

Israel's image in the region likely can improve amid the current developments.



Gulf nations cut ties with Qatar (credit: REUTERS)



1. It hurts Hamas

Qatar has supported Hamas over the last decade and hosted former Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal for the last five years in Doha. In 2012 Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani visited Gaza and pledged hundreds of millions for the Strip. Qatar therefore provided Hamas not only a home in Doha but financial support and diplomatic succor. The new pressure on Qatar has encouraged it to expel Hamas members and will reduce its support for the group. This may also isolate Turkey’s relations with Hamas. Qataris are now focused on which airlines will still fly to the country tomorrow, spending money on the Gaza Strip and hosting Hamas may seem like a liability they don’t need now. Hamas will find itself with even fewer allies which could give Israel leverage to encourage the group to change its ways. More likely, Hamas may lash out against Israel to show its relevance.

2. It brings Israel closer to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf

Israel has shared interests with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states in opposing Iran. Because Qatar has supported Hamas, the new crises encourages those states that oppose Qatar to see Israel as a partner against Hamas and against Iran. This relationship has already been quietly growing in recent years, but the crises with Qatar allows writers in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf to speak out more firmly against Hamas. Saudi's Al Arabiya has showcased interviews with Wonder Woman's Gal Gadot.


3. It shows US influence is back in the region

The background of the current crises was a feeling that US President Donald Trump’s speech to “drive out” terror gave a blank check to local states to act. Under Barack Obama Israel sometimes felt isolated, especially as the US pursued the Iran deal. Now Israel feels that the Americans are back in the region and will stand by their allies.


4. It delegitimizes terror

The regimes that have broken relations with Qatar pay lip-service to fighting terror and instability. Israel prefers a stable region without terror groups undermining neighboring states. However there is ISIS in Sinai, Hamas in Gaza, Jihadists near the Golan and Hezbollah on the Golan and in Lebanon. In that sense Israel knows that any greater instability can be a threat. So long as Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other states work in concert, the winds of stability will blow in Israel’s direction as well. The saying “all ships rise with the tide” is apt. All stable countries in the region will rise if extremist groups are reduced.


5. It bolsters Israel’s hand in general and Israel’s current government in particular


Israel benefits when it is not the center of attention and certainly when it is not under pressure. This is a boon for the current government because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long spoken about working towards quietly cultivating regional relationships beyond Egypt and Jordan that stretch to the Gulf. He has spoken about the Iranian threat for two decades. If the Arab states are more concerned with Iran and Qatar, than with the Palestinians, that takes pressure off of Israel, at a time when Palestinians are trying to remind the region that they are facing fifty years of living under Israel’s military rule. Over the years Israel has gone from being seen as the center of the region’s problems, to today when the Palestinian issue is dwarfed by larger conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Yemen Libya and now in the Gulf. That plays into Netanyahu’s narrative, and takes the wind out of any sails that hoped 50 years since 1967 would have some sort of jarring affect. This will have some blowback because voices in the region will accuse the Gulf and Saudi of working "for Israel." Syria and Iran already accuse them of working with Israel. But these voices are already opposed Israel, which means Israel's image in the region likely can improve amidst the current crises.
I checked the article at Jerusalem Post. This is not marked so, but it evidently an opinion post.

Point number 4 is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Point number 5 is suspect, but I'd wait and watch what happens.
 

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Breaking down the problem in Qatar. Reasons (outside of the Media BS)

1. Qatar has upset the Status Quo and Egos of the Saudis
- Till Recently KSA was the richest Gulf/Salafist country - Now is loosing $ influence to the Qataris
- Qatars Emir is in his late 30s while the KSA's crown prince is the same age- Ego and Pride Conflicts that come with the above
- Qatari Emir has recently been quiet harsh and critical of the KSA leadership in the Yemenese war

2. GCC Contribtion
- Qatar has become the largest contributor to the GCC and with Trump's anti-NATO rhetoric - the qataris have themselves started questioning the relevance of the GCC. - Again Upsets KSA lead leadership.


What will happen?

Absolutely nothing. This will die down and everything will be back to normal after back channel negations. (this whole rubbish is about GCC negotiations)

People forget that this happened recently before. Only difference was that their was no Air Travel Embargo so the global media didnt care.

Half of the Qatari Elite is married to Saudi citizens. It will all be over.
 

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US President Donald Trump says isolating Qatar 'beginning of end of terrorism'
HIGHLIGHTS
  • The comments on Twitter came as the leader of Kuwait was to meet in Saudi Arabia to try to mediate the dispute
  • Trump said the leaders he met on a Middle East trip had warned him that Qatar was funding "radical ideology"
  • Qatar vehemently denies the accusations against it, calling them baseless

WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday his trip to the Middle East was "already paying off" as regional leaders followed through on their promise to take a hard line on funding militant groups.

"So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off. They said they would take a hard line on funding extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar. Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism!" Trump said in a series of Twitter posts.

So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off. They said they would take a hard line on funding
extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar. Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 1496756695000

Trump said the leaders he met on a Middle East trip had warned him that Qatar was funding "radical ideology" after he had demanded they take action to stop financing militant groups.

The comments on Twitter - Trump's first about the rift between Qatar and major Arab nations over alleged support of Iran and Islamist groups - came as the leader of Kuwait was to meet in Saudi Arabia to try to mediate the dispute.

Qatar vehemently denies the accusations against it, calling them baseless. Ordinary Qataris, however, were to be found crowding into supermarkets to stock up on goods against the crisis.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain severed relations with Qatar and closed their airspace to commercial flights on Monday, in the worst split between powerful Arab states in decades.

"During my recent trip to the Middle East I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology. Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!" Trump tweeted.


During my recent trip to the Middle East I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology. Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 1496750795000

The comments lent credence to a view held by some analysts that Trump in his Middle East trip emboldened the Arab nations to take action even though Qatar is a US ally and hosts a US military base.

Gulf Arab officials said Kuwait's Emir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber al-Sabah will meet with Saudi Arabia's King Salman later in the day, hoping to heal the damaging rift which has affected global oil prices, hit travel plans and sown confusion among bankers and businesses in the region.

The split among the Sunni states erupted last month after Trump attended a summit of Muslim leaders in Saudi Arabia where he denounced Shi'ite Iran's "destablising interventions" in Arab lands, where Tehran is locked in a tussle with Riyadh for influence.

In a sign of the potential consequences for the Qatari economy, a number of banks in the region began stepping back from business dealings with Qatar. Saudi Arabia's central bank advised banks in the kingdom not to trade with Qatari banks in Qatari riyals, sources said.

Oil prices also fell on concern that the rift would undermine efforts by OPEC to tighten production.

Qatar and the other Arab states fell out over Doha's alleged support for Islamist militants and Shi'ite Iran.

Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani told Qatar-based Al Jazeera TV that Qatar will not retaliate, hoping Kuwait will help resolve the dispute. It wants to give Kuwait's ruler the ability to "proceed and communicate with the parties to the crisis and to try to contain the issue".

Qatar's leader, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, spoke by telephone overnight with his counterpart in Kuwait and, in order to allow Kuwait to mediate, decided to put off a planned speech to the nation, the foreign minister said.

Qatar has for years parlayed its enormous gas wealth and media influence into a broad influence in the region. But Gulf Arab neighbours and Egypt have long been irked by its maverick stances and support for the Muslim Brotherhood, which they regard as a political enemy.

Yemen, Libya's eastern-based government and the Maldives - close allies of Qatar's adversaries in the spat - also cut ties.

BANKS SHUN QATAR, FLIGHTS DIVERTED

Tightening pressure, Saudi Arabia's aviation authority revoked the license of Qatar Airways and ordered its offices to be closed within 48 hours, a day after the kingdom, the UAE and Bahrain closed their airspace to Qatari commercial flights.

Flight tracker websites showed Qatar Airways flights taking a circuitous route mostly over Iran to avoid their neighbours.

Some Saudi Arabian and UAE commercial banks were also shunning Qatari banks, holding off on letters of credit, banking sources told Reuters on Tuesday.

With an estimated $335 billion of assets in its sovereign wealth fund and its gas exports earning billions of dollars every month, Qatar, however, has enough financial power to protect its banks.

Qatar's stock market rebounded in early trade on Tuesday after plunging the previous day but the Qatari riyal fell against the US dollar.

Kuwait's emir, who has spent decades as a diplomat and mediator in regional disputes, hosted Sheikh Tamim last week as the crisis began brewing.

Monday's decision forbids Saudi, UAE and Bahraini citizens from travelling to Qatar, residing in it or passing through it, instructing their citizens to leave Qatar within 14 days and Qatari nationals were given 14 days to leave those countries.

The measures are more severe than during a previous eight-month rift in 2014, when Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE withdrew their ambassadors from Doha, again alleging Qatari support for militant groups.
 

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http://www.financialexpress.com/eco...rom-japan-south-korea-china-and-india/703990/

No impact on oil market. (reference above)
Asian powers will take care of their beloved LNG provider. Which is why Donald Trump is not interested to meditate the issue. (link below)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ar-diplomatic-crisis/articleshow/59024757.cms

Further which makes me think, there is huge opportunity to make money in Qatar right now.
(reference below)
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ar-diplomatic-crisis/articleshow/59024757.cms

Anybody in Qatar ? Or know any business house or powerful person in Qatar ?
Oil rich qatar's citizens need stuffs and services and they will more than willingly pay for it :)
Mint money my countrymen.
 

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The Porkis have 67 terror organizations operating from its soil. It puts even Qatar to shame where terrorist sanctuaries and support is concerned. But not a word on this by the countries that slammed and banned Qatar. The world should boycott Porkistan too.

Hypocrisy and double standards is the name of the game.
 

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