S-400 performance in Syria = Paper Tiger

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How can you compare a green weapons system like S-400 against a continuously battle tested and improved system like Patriot?

Anyway, go look for the Swedish Military Reasearch Agency report on S-400.
How can you compare a green weapons system like F-35 against a continuously battle tested and improved system like Mig-21?

Anyway, go look for the Russian Military Reasearch Agency report on F-35.
 

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They are secure against china but by all reports, they are worse than s400. Try to check neutral reports instead of reading one sided propaganda and being hyped up about your preferred systems superiority.
The ragtag houthis of yemen hammered saudi oil facilities recklessly despite the fact that they had deployed amreekunt anti missiles horseshiet.
 

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In Turkey's case it was insisting on TOT for Patriot which the US did not want to give. And quality comes with a cost.

Feeling drunk from BRICS hype and domestic electoral gains, plus general dislike with the West on how Erdogan's EU membership dream remain stuck and how the US did not fully support his Syria adventures, Erdogan foolishly swung to Russia thinking he can gain leverage with the US. He gain notoriety instead.
And he got ToT on S400? Erdogan is an emotional fool. He thought he could bargain with US by playing Russia card and US called his bluff.

Now they have a system which can't be integrated with other Nato based air defence system, can't be integrated with even turkeys upcoming ADs. His decision has been an comical reality. I think there was news in 2020 or something that turkey S400 systems are lying idle.
 

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Neither can you integrate S-400 with NASAMS, SPIDER, BARAK, etc... I would even argue that American THAAD and Patriots ADs are easier to integrate to the newer AD systems from Israel and the US that it already have.
We don't have NASAM yet. Nasam even if it comes in would be an standalone system to protect from hacking etc as a last mile of defense to pmo and parliament. But no one is sure if it's coming.

Barak is an JV. We already have our own seeker and control unit. Moreover there is our own Akash plus older Russian ADs which can be integrated easily.
Spyder is a tough nut to crack though.
 

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Never trust this coomer I know why this fresh butthurt because BHARAT has bought 75 ton Gold in first 9 months of 2021 Thailand had bought 90 tons and brazil bought 60 ton gold instead of buying hipster subhuman $hiet all countries want to move to a multipolar rule based order free of amreekunt gaandmasti.

 

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В войска ЦВО впервые поступили глубоко модернизированные радиолокаторы "Небо-Т" - Армия и ОПК - ТАСС (tass.ru)

MOSCOW, January 18. /TASS/. For the first time, the troops of the Central Military District (TsVO) have been equipped with deeply modernized Nebo-T radar stations, which will take up combat duty in the regions of the Urals and the Volga region. This was reported on Tuesday in the press service of the Central Military District.

“Deeply modernized Nebo-T radar stations have been delivered to the troops of the Central Military District for the first time. In the coming days, they will take up combat duty in the regions of the Urals and the Volga region,” the report says.
As noted in the press service, the stations in terms of their tactical and technical characteristics are significantly superior to their counterparts. They are able to quickly find and track aerodynamic and ballistic targets within a radius of up to 600 km with high accuracy. New radar stations will increase the combat capabilities of air defense units of the Central Military District in the Volga and Ural regions.
 

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How does one make sure that S400 doesn't shoot down friendly jets and helis ? Can it interface with american and french jets and helis? Does India need french and US permission for that ?
 

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How does one make sure that S400 doesn't shoot down friendly jets and helis ? Can it interface with american and french jets and helis? Does India need french and US permission for that ?
IFF(Identify Friend or Foe) systems are desi on our jets. Otherwise also, they can harmonise frequency at which AF will be running it's IFF transponders at.
 

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And he got ToT on S400? Erdogan is an emotional fool. He thought he could bargain with US by playing Russia card and US called his bluff.

Now they have a system which can't be integrated with other Nato based air defence system, can't be integrated with even turkeys upcoming ADs. His decision has been an comical reality. I think there was news in 2020 or something that turkey S400 systems are lying idle.
First turkey choose chinese system, then started developing new sam with eu help, after coup they brought s400.
 

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How does one make sure that S400 doesn't shoot down friendly jets and helis ? Can it interface with american and french jets and helis? Does India need french and US permission for that ?
1. IFF
2. S400 operated by IAF
3.S400 is not good against helis
4.All systems brought from abroad uses indian iff and comms or ones designed wrt indian requirements.
Accidental fire can happen like patriot vs uk jets or spyder vs mi17, but its rare.
 

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Pakis claiming that chins have trained them on successfully avoiding the S 400.
That is a nice joke by Pakistanis. Let them remain in their Delusions. Our S-400 will shoot down their JF-17s ,F-16s, Mirage-5 & 3 and they won't be able to do anything about it. Anyways Turkey, China might infact do something like that, I am not sure if Russians will allow or do anything about it though but you don't have to worry.
 

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That is a nice joke by Pakistanis. Let them remain in their Delusions. Our S-400 will shoot down their JF-17s ,F-16s, Mirage-5 & 3 and they won't be able to do anything about it. Anyways Turkey, China might infact do something like that, I am not sure if Russians will allow or do anything about it though but you don't have to worry.
Seemingly paf did train with plaaf recently. Apparently it was to train against the S 400.
 

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Seemingly paf did train with plaaf recently. Apparently it was to train against the S 400.
You don't have to worry about whether they train with PLAAF in Countering S-400. It won't help them much.

By the way could you name the exercise which Pakistan Participated with PLAAF to train how to counter S-400 or could you share a link with the Necessary information?
 

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Pakis claiming that chins have trained them on successfully avoiding the S 400.
This is what I have bren saying all along. S-400 is the lousiest strategic AD India can buy. It's a net liability.

I do not understand the Indian political and military establishments' psychology, is it to defend India or to keep on thumbing down Uncle Sam? :creepy:
 

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This is what I have bren saying all along. S-400 is the lousiest strategic AD India can buy. It's a net liability.

I do not understand the Indian political and military establishments' psychology, is it to defend India or to keep on thumbing down Uncle Sam? :creepy:
There are no good alternative to s400 in this time and uncle sam cant stop its NATO ally from buying s400.for you its a liability is because its russian
 

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There are no good alternative to s400 in this time and uncle sam cant stop its NATO ally from buying s400.for you its a liability is because its russian

Look at what happen to that NATO ally... plus if worse come to worse that S-400 with Turkey is another weak link in S-400 since US can always arrange with Turkey to brief them on S-400 weaknesses.
 

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Look at what happen to that NATO ally... plus if worse come to worse that S-400 with Turkey is another weak link in S-400 since US can always arrange with Turkey to brief them on S-400 weaknesses.
Any system has it shortcomings. Don't tell me Patriot is fool proof system.
S-400 has to be deployed as part of multi layered system. What it seems Indian have not purchased Russian short and medium range system to deploy it with S 400.
Can this be an issue as existing system cannot be integrated with S 400. Moreover a point defence CIWS is crucial to protect from small drones.
No idea if this was taken care of.
 

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