S-400 performance in Syria = Paper Tiger

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At 03:00 France launched Scalp EG and Scalp Naval at two chemical weapons facilities West of Homs destroying both targets.



Note the close proximity to Tartus where S-400 is located just 35km away.



Russia reports none of its air defences were activated despite missiles flying right past their base in Tartus just a few dozen kilometres from the impact zone.


"Russia did not use its air defense systems in Syria to counter the missile strike of the US, UK and France"
- Russia MoD

Just a few days ago Russia threatened to shoot down any missiles fired into Syria and their launch platforms.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ired-at-syria-will-be-shot-down-idUSKBN1HI0PU

S-400 failed to detect the stealthy Scalp cruise missiles made by France even when they were flying right by and falling near S-400 batteries.
 
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India is buying both scalp ( for Rafale ) and s 400 . At least one of them is effective. Some satisfaction !!:biggrin2:
I am guessing it will be more effective against Chinese missiles as they don't know how to make stealthy composites that make up the Scalp airframe. They have been trying to steal our composite technology for decades. When we set up the Airbus plant we were looking to place orders to the Chinese for a composite factory but they had none to offer so we had to build our own.
 

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The moment Russians decided to become bff of China their spinal cord turns to rubber, now they only barks never bites , as usual USA do their stuff when ever they want at where ever they want , the Russians over hiped s400 now became a question marks is India making a mistake?
 

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Please. Russia did not intercept those missiles because it could then have probably escalated into a much worse confrontation between Russia and NATO. This was a political decision rather than any reflection of the technical capabilities of s400.
Then they won't have to make bizzare claim to shoot down everything is or allied forces fire at sirya or something like that, just make clear statement like we will go offensive if any one of Russian asset's became target..
 

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Please. Russia did not intercept those missiles because it could then have escalated into a much worse confrontation between Russia and NATO. This was a political decision rather than any reflection of the technical capabilities of s400.
That is a possibility but just two days ago they were threatening to shoot down all missiles and launch platforms that were striking Syria. You remember when they buzzed the Aquitaine off the coast of Lebanon? For them to bark like that and do absolutely nothing is not their style. They would have at least tried to shoot down incoming missiles only a couple dozen clicks from their S-400 battery. Simple answer is they couldn't see Scalp.
 

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That is a possibility but just two days ago they were threatening to shoot down all missiles and launch platforms that were striking Syria. You remember when they buzzed the Aquitaine off the coast of Lebanon? For them to bark like that and do absolutely nothing is not their style. They would have at least tried to shoot down incoming missiles only a couple dozen clicks from their S-400 battery. Simple answer is they couldn't see Scalp.
Both sides have been making lots of wild statements throughout this conflict. The fact remains that this cannot be seen as proof of the s400 not working. Shooting down a missile is FAR more provocative than buzzing a ship or making stupid statements on TV.
 

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Both sides have been making lots of wild statements throughout this conflict. The fact remains that this cannot be seen as proof of the s400 not working. Shooting down a missile is FAR more provocative than buzzing a ship or making stupid statements on TV.
Shooting down a missile isn't provocative at all, it is self defence and Russia had every right to do it. Going after the launch platforms as they threatened would have been provocative. Russia should have shot down everything coming towards them, but they didn't, because they couldn't.
 

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The moment Russians decided to become bff of China their spinal cord turns to rubber, now they only barks never bites , as usual USA do their stuff when ever they want at where ever they want , the Russians over hiped s400 now became a question marks is India making a mistake?
It might work against Chinese missiles, but honestly I think India can make one just as good like they did with Akash.


With Uttam AESA modules progressing it is leapfrogging China and Russia by ten years.
 

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It might work against Chinese missiles, but honestly I think India can make one just as good like they did with Akash.


With Uttam AESA modules progressing it is leapfrogging China and Russia by ten years.
India's decision to buy s400 I think to make a deternace towards Pak air force, so u might think wtf we out gun paf with 3 to 1 in every ratio then why s400, the reason is at time of 2 front war India can't face China with s400 defensive staergy as long as China also have same system and they knows it's pros and cons, but when comes to paf their depletion in f16and wide adaptation of jf17as main stay make s400 as deadly deternace on paf , the pad jf17is not worthy for or advanced counter threat to Indian airdefense as of now, so in case of two front war deployment of s400 , Akash and qrsam Sam to counter major paf preamtive or tatical raids by layered air defence and rigid air policing, and to counter China with rafel su30 combo with narrow spearhead attack, or defensive stands make senses, thus IAF can't directly take on plaf becoz their shear size and supioroity, only way to counter it by better frwd line logistics and better air defence with mrsam and ew system along with help from ground forces also
 

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@gadeshi Another little factoid was these 5 birds were up supporting the French strike package, where was 400km AWACs killer missile here?

 
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This thread is looking like "fake news" thread. False statements about effectiveness of S400 are being made.

There were only a few S400 deployed in Syria and they were guarding most crucial military installations only.
Syria has old versions such as S120 and S200 which Syrian Army used in most places. As per reports ,with these older versions 73 out of 103 attacks were foiled.

No attack was made in areas where S400 s were covering so we can not make any statement about effectiveness of these ABMs (S400s)
Why the attackers avoided areas guarded by S400? BIG question !

BTW, China has them now and Turkey is likely to get them soon...thereafter...seems Iran might get a few...I dont know what will happen to India's order as demand is high and supply is slow.
 
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This thread is looking like "fake news" thread. False statements about effectiveness of S400 are being made.

There were only a few S400 deployed in Syria and they were guarding most crucial military installations only.
Syria has old versions such as S120 and S200 which Syrian Army used in most places. As per reports ,with these older versions 73 out of 103 attacks were foiled.

No attack was made in areas where S400 s were covering so we can not make any statement about effectiveness of these ABMs (S400s) Why the attackers avoided areas guarded by S400? BIG question !

BTW, China has them now and Turkey is likely to get them soon...thereafter...seems Iran might get a few...I dont know what will happen to India's order as demand is high and supply is slow.
The thing is S-120/S-200 is ineffective against terrain hugging cruise missiles, this has been known for a long time. As per Syrian disinformation reports is like listening to Baghdad Bob. The only thing that was capable was S-400 and that failed to engage any targets. The press briefing in my OP is there, you can see all targets were destroyed.

France did not avoid Russian areas, the Scalp strikes flew right past S-400 batteries and landed in their backyard.
 

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As of now sirya have better airdefense around damascus ,the stauration attack done by allied forces shows the week point in every layered air defence , also saying s400 not activated is kind of out of scope,becoz some major strike happen with in range of s400 system ,the reason may be these kind of saturation attack and this was the first time airdefense get attacked by this much magnitude from different side's, the real pitty is air defence can't even shoot down one tronedo those was in strike missions
 

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It is only one of two things, both of which are bad news for Russia. Either it was a political decision to allow coalition missiles to rain down upon them amid threats of Russian retaliation makes Putin look like a Chinese limp noodle. Or S-400 radar is the limp noodle... both bad for Russia.
 

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It might work against Chinese missiles, but honestly I think India can make one just as good like they did with Akash.


With Uttam AESA modules progressing it is leapfrogging China and Russia by ten years.
In case you are not aware of + 250 km range AAD based XRSAM program which is under development for at least 2 years now.

I due course new interceptors will be added to the system taking the range to that of S-400 and above.
 

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