Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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This Russian marine (right) cut off the head. Who still doubts that Putin is sick?
Putin mania - he wants to restore the bipolar world. So he tries to capture a part of it.
 
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The Russian marine (right) cut off the head. Who still doubts that Putin is sick?
Putin mania - he wants to restore the bipolar world. So he tries to capture a part of it.
Who cut off head whom? Your English is as poor as your news sources.
 

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When few US soldiers were dragged through streets of Mogadishu in 1993 it was a National trauma. Russian soldiers are beheaded and dying in Syria and Ukraine and nobody cares....old SU methods are back! Putin will make Russia great even if he has to bankrupt the nation in the process...both financially and mentally.
 

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When few US soldiers were dragged through streets of Mogadishu in 1993 it was a National trauma. Russian soldiers are beheaded and dying in Syria and Ukraine and nobody cares....old SU methods are back! Putin will make Russia great even if he has to bankrupt the nation in the process...both financially and mentally.
Hey Capitan Finland, go "overanalyse" Akim's posts, some top secret sources indicates that he's posting :bs:
 

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Hey Capitan Finland, go "overanalyse" Akim's posts, some top secret sources indicates that he's posting :bs:
Continue to disbelieve
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Hey Capitan Finland, go "overanalyse" Akim's posts, some top secret sources indicates that he's posting :bs:
So he was Russian marine beheaded by Al Qaida four years ago? I hope the family got compensation, not denial.

I understand your denial mode....cant imagine how I would feel if our leadership were like yours. Well you have gotten used to them over the millenias. Sad to see whats happening in your country. I hope better days come eventually.
 

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So he was Russian marine beheaded by Al Qaida four years ago? I hope the family got compensation, not denial.
Oh, you've read some comments by diagonal, kudos to you.

Continue to disbelieve
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- 100500 Russians have been killed in Syria.
- Proof? Any kind? Maybe a hyperlink?
- Continue to disbelieve.

 

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@Akim andd @Cadian,

I am confused. Is there some relationship between the numbers 100500 and 42?

Oh, you've read some comments by diagonal, kudos to you.



- 100500 Russians have been killed in Syria.
- Proof? Any kind? Maybe a hyperlink?
- Continue to disbelieve.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with another member earlier:
A Junta MI8 before :



After :rofl:



The Kiev regime should adopt a new paint scheme for their helicopters, so that they are easily spotted after being shot down:


Indian bull frog
 

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Israel AF and Russian AF setups hot link

At the main headquarters of the Israeli Air Force created a focal point for interaction with a group of Russian Air Force, serving in Syria. About this site reports, "News of Israel." The aim of the center is to prevent accidental incidents, clashes and conflicts between the air forces of the two countries in the border area.

Please use Google translate http://lenta.ru/news/2015/09/21/taki_net_chtob_da/
 

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Putin’s Consistency on Syria Has Washington Fuming
Obama hasn’t got a clue, so why be mad at those who do?


Danielle Ryan | (RT) | Russia Insider


Can’t make up his mind

Originally appeared at RT

It is increasingly difficult to watch the most recent coverage of the Syrian war and not be struck by how utterly illogical and convoluted it has become. But look through the media spin and it’s clear: the Russian leader’s steady moves in Syria are perplexing the US.

Whether it’s the latest neocon claim that the way to ‘help’ refugees is to drop more bombs and train more Al-Qaeda-linked rebels, or the conveniently-timed mass hysteria over Russia’s (never secret) support for Bashar Assad — or even the strange (and completely false) notion floating around that the West has ‘done nothing’ in Syria, all of this nonsense is becoming very difficult to take seriously.

It’s fairly easy to tell when Washington is scrambling to keep control of a story, because two things usually happen: firstly, the media coverage becomes muddled and frazzled, and secondly, the White House quickly looks for somewhere to offload the blame. These days the scapegoat is usually Russia, and hey, why fix what ain’t broken?

Obama’s fumbling vs. Putin’s consistency

On September 11, Barack Obama warned that Russia’s strategy of continued support for Assad was “doomed to fail” and a “big mistake.” In a patronizing little addendum, Obama said Putin was “going to have to start getting a little smarter.”

There’s more than a little irony in such statements, given that Obama’s own Syria strategy thus far has been an abject failure. However, the vaguely personal nature of his comments betrays a deeper frustration. While Obama continues to scratch his head over the mess that has unfolded in Syria, Putin has not wavered. Right or wrong, Russia’s Syria strategy has been consistent and clearly articulated, in stark contrast to Washington’s fumbling and bumbling.


While Russia still believes Assad needs to be an integral part of a broader coalition aimed at taking Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) out and that toppling his government would create further chaos and destruction, Washington still seems to believe that it can go after IS and Assad simultaneously. Little thought is given to the power vacuum such a strategy, if it was ‘successful’, would leave behind. Underlying this policy is an assumption that if they could just get Assad out of the way and force the Russians out of the equation, there would be a nice clean transfer of power — to an American puppet government, of course — and that all would be dandy. Just like it was in Iraq and Libya.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov countered the recent comments from Washington by arguing that it would be “absurd” to exclude the Syrian Army from fighting the jihadists, as it would be “the most effective military force on the ground.”

But inconsistency still reigns in DC. One minute we are told Assad is actively aiding Islamic State and the next minute it’s the ‘common enemy’, and John Kerry is talking about negotiating with the Syrian president. Similarly, the intensity of the calls to get rid of Assad has changed numerous times. Sometimes it’s vigorous and resounding. Other times it’s more timid and reserved.

Barack Obama can’t make up his mind. That much is crystal clear.

Media struggling to toe the line

The muddled media coverage we’re seeing now is a natural byproduct of Washington’s own confusion and shifting priorities. Washington’s establishment media — and those across the pond who follow it lockstep — are trying to toe the line, but the contradictions are getting more tangled by the day.

In case you were losing track, here is a quick rundown of the latest narratives we’re supposed to be swallowing:

  • The West has simultaneously ‘done nothing’ and needs to ‘do even more’ to solve the crisis (this ignores the US’s sustained campaign of airstrikes and its training of anti-Assad rebels)
  • Putin wants to destroy IS, but he’s also sending jihadists to join them (oh, and he’s also to blame for the crisis in general)
  • Russia and Syria are allies, but Russian military personnel in Syria amounts to some sort of new ‘intervention’
And let’s not forget that for at least two weeks last month we were inundated with stories about how Putin was about to ditch Assad at any moment. Those stories were peddled by some of the same people who are now trying to spin Russia’s support of the Syrian president as some shocking new development.

Just over a week ago, the New York Times editorial board gave its full-throated endorsement to the State Department and lambasted Putin’s “dangerous” interference in the conflict. The piece was illustrated with a frankly Russophobic cartoon of an angry bear gobbling up a Syrian flag. Crude and disingenuous propaganda, particularly when you consider that the difference between US military involvement in Syria and Russian military involvement is that the Russians were actually invited.


Then, an essay in the Wall Street Journal last weekend managed to simultaneously roast NATO for the failure of its intervention in Libya while calling for deeper intervention in Syria — in the same sentence. It’d take some fairly strenuous mental gymnastics to work that one out.

Another headache for Washington

Perhaps the most striking revelation in the Syria story came this week in a Guardian article quoting the former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, who asserts the West ignored a 2012 proposal by Russia that would have seen Assad step down as part of a broad peace deal. Convinced that Assad was about to be toppled, the West reportedly ignored the proposal.

Fast-forward to 2015, hundreds of thousands of Syrians are dead and millions more displaced. The US is still arming and training Al-Qaeda-linked rebels to overthrow Assad, struggling to convince the world that this is a workable solution and using Russia as the scapegoat to cover its own failures.


This latest piece of the puzzle surely provoked more frustration in the White House, which will not want to be embarrassed by the implication that time and again, it appears to prefer bombs as a first resort rather than a last one. For Russia’s part, the response to the Guardian story appeared to be neither confirm nor deny.

However, it’s against this backdrop that Washington has now agreed to restore direct military talks with the Russians. On Friday, Secretary of State John Kerry said the new talks would allow some time to “consider the next steps” to be taken in Syria. The talks could be a lifeline for Washington, a chance for Obama to walk his way back from the edge.

The US has overextended itself in Syria. One would think that at this point the White House could begin to admit its shortcomings and stop digging the hole — but as with so many American foreign policy adventures, evidence of failure isn’t usually enough to force a rethink of strategy. Still, the fact that Washington has agreed to reopen the lines of communication is a glimmer of hope. At the same time, the calls for Assad to go have been scaled back to something to be ‘negotiated’ rather than immediate. Another positive sign.


If however, nothing comes of the latest negotiations, we must then begin to seriously question Washington’s motives. Is the White House still more concerned with installing a puppet government in Damascus or vigorously fighting Islamic State? Why has the US thus far been so reluctant to partner with Russia to create a strong and broad international coalition that would provide the best chance for weakening this barbaric group and give the suffering Syrian people a decent chance to take back their country?

Writing for RT, Bryan MacDonald speculated that Washington “fears that Russia may get the credit for ending the conflict.” It appears, he wrote, “that US leaders think it’s more important to show contempt for Russia than to bring to an end a war that has caused such death and destruction.”

If saving face against the Russians is a major factor in Washington’s decision-making, it spells only more suffering for ordinary Syrian people. European leaders, who have largely supported Obama’s Middle East policies, must begin to seriously ask themselves, is toppling Assad worth any cost?

The US evidently believes it is — but then, it’s not the one paying the price. It rarely does.
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Commentary:

The biggest take away from this article is that “82% of Syrians say ISIS is a US creation,” in new poll, according to ORB International which was cited by Washington Post. One particular member must now declare that Washington Post is a paid Russian troll, considering he has pointed such insinuating fingers at me more than once.

Additionally, while I have my fair share of skepticism about articles in Sputnik News, in comparison, New York Times looks more like a third rate tabloid, no more important than what in Germany would be called
die Regenbogenpresse.

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Yoast19 hours ago


"But inconsistency still reigns in DC."

On the contrary, Washington's policy has been very consistent since WW2. If you think it is inconsistent, maybe you should reconsider what their objectives are. They are certainly not "creating peace and stability.
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Obama is playing The Grand Chessboard according to Brzezinski's teachings, his chief foreign policy advisor. His moves may seem inconsistent, but the objectives are clearly stated in the Wolfowitz Doctrine, to maintain superpower status at any cost: "Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere.
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This means creating war and chaos all over the Eurasian continent, the destruction of Russia and to loot its resources. However, this strategy will only postpone the inevitable: the collapse of the US empire.

Obviously, Obama cannot publicly announce his strategies, he tries to hide the fact that they need to create terrorists so they can bomb the affected countries to pieces while pretending to fight for peace and democracy.

Meanwhile, he tries to pull Russia into a costly war to weaken the country, just like when Brzezinski created the Afghan war that ended the Soviet Union. Unfortunately for Obama, Putin knows this and won't take the bait and THAT is what really gets the neocons fuming.

 
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Sorry, you said 42. A few posts above.

I told UNCONFIRMED SOURCES. There are many unconfirmed information. For example: Motorola threw his pregnant second wife, and his mistress went to Rostov. And now he's in Syria and are fighting for Assad. I don't believe it. He could have escaped, but in Syria will not go. He only Tegeler.
 

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