Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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You just showed you own intellectual bankruptcy.

Your blindness is nauseating. May be some day you can try to first be an Indian, then some other nation's spokesperson?
Sir ..It's not me ..everyone saying ..and I'm just expressing it
 

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Trust Putin more. Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh,Tajikistan, Abkhazia, Chechnya1, Chechnya2, Ingushetia, South Ossetia, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine. Where does boots the Russian soldiers- there is no peaceful solution.
Relatively a very small footprint in-comparison to whats left behind by US! Just to through Assad out amrikans cant arm ISIS and get Innocent civilians killed.
If amrikans are so worried about human rights n mankind, why was Myanmar not bombed or North Korea attacked with same force.
 

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Sir ..It's not me ..everyone saying ..and I'm just expressing it
Not everyone, but a specific section of people with specific agenda without an iota of evidence in over a dozen years, have been saying this or rather propagating it in form of unsubstantiated allegations. Even a hostile govt. which was in center for a decade, has failed to prove a single allegation in the court of law through its own investigation agency's utmost effort.

Still if you believe this about your own PM who have been exonerated of every accusation and have been elected by overwhelming majority in LS election, tou may need to make a fact check where your loyalties lie.
 

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Relatively a very small footprint in-comparison to whats left behind by US! Just to through Assad out amrikans cant arm ISIS and get Innocent civilians killed.
If amrikans are so worried about human rights n mankind, why was Myanmar not bombed or North Korea attacked with same force.
Appetite comes with eating. Of course Russia cannot be compared to ISIS. One may compare Russia with Nazi Germany. Note - Russia has always supported dictators.
 

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Appetite comes with eating. Of course Russia cannot be compared to ISIS. One may compare Russia with Nazi Germany. Note - Russia has always supported dictators.
BTW Why is US supporting Saudi home of wahhabism and heart of terrorism worldwide?
 

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BTW Why is US supporting Saudi home of wahhabism and heart of terrorism worldwide?
OK.Who officially condemned the regime in Saudi Arabia? I can say that the Prezident of Rwanda people eat, but it will only be my words.
 

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...kes-as-iranian-troops-pour-into-a6676051.html

CIA backed rebels struck by Russia as Iranian troops pour into conflict.
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This article says .................................... Sources in Lebanon told the Reuters news agency that hundreds of Iranian troops have entered Syria to bolster the beleaguered armed forces of President Bashar al-Assad.
If confirmed, the combination of that support from Iran and Russia risks not just strengthening Mr Assad’s grip on power but the conflict itself.


:notsure: Israel army....................................!....?
 

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What’s Russia up to in Syria? I would wager they're after something big – retaking Palmyra
Recapturing the ancient city it would be an epic symbol of new ambitions

But I’ll wager a well-informed guess right now – and we’ll keep calling this a guess, if only for form’s sake – that the Syrian army is being primed to recapture the ancient Roman city of Palmyra from the Islamists.
Palmyra is a pearl to be recaptured because the world – with utter insensitivity, far more concerned about the fate of its imperial Roman ruins than its people – has registered the city’s loss to Isis last May as a major success for the “Caliphate.”
But for Putin, an offensive would – or will – be an epic symbol of Russia’s new projection into the Middle East. For Obama and Cameron and the rest of our Western leaders, who have fumbled around Syria for four years, neither dethroning Assad nor defeating Isis, a Russian-assisted recapture of Palmyra would be a humiliating lesson.
But what comes after Palmyra? The recapture of much of Aleppo – a far more risky project – or a return to Idlib city or even an attempt to seize the Isis “capital” of Raqqa? Relief, certainly, for the surrounded regime garrison in the desert city of Deir Ezzour. But a dark genie moves around the Syrian desert, awarding no prizes to the brave or the foolhardy.
Putin and Assad are not planning for any parliamentary democracies on the road to Damascus. But if Isis – along with its Putin-hating Chechen fighters – gets its wings clipped, then the US – and Nato – will have to negotiate with Moscow over the future of Syria. All of which, of course, will read like a curse to the hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bleeding away from their country on their great trek north through the Balkans.
 

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This article says .................................... Sources in Lebanon told the Reuters news agency that hundreds of Iranian troops have entered Syria to bolster the beleaguered armed forces of President Bashar al-Assad.
If confirmed, the combination of that support from Iran and Russia risks not just strengthening Mr Assad’s grip on power but the conflict itself.


:notsure: Israel army....................................!....?
Its funny when the American fanboys resort to such stupid logic:lol:

Of course the conflict is going to intensify. Thats what happens when the other side fights back against the terrorists. That's like saying India should not respond to paki army invasion as it would intensify the conflicts.:rolleyes:
 

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Head-Chopping Saudi Despots Worried About Human Life in Syria
But no word about the untold thousands killed so far in the war they have been supporting before Russia got involved

(German Economic News) | Russia Insider


"Don't you know doing it with a medieval sword is cheaper than bombs?"

This article originally appeared in German Economic News. Translated by Boris Jaruselski for Russia Insider.

The US' most important ally, Saudi Arabia, is highly nervous because of Russia intervention in Syria: Saudi Arabia called on Russia to stop the air strikes immediately.

The government in Riyadh is very concerned over the recent military operations around the towns of Homs and Hama, the Saudi Arabian ambassador Abdalla Al-Muallimi told on Wednesday to the United Nations. The attacks have hit areas, where the extremist militia Islamic State is not even present. According to the Saudi state television, the diplomat said further, that numerous innocent civilians were harmed during the operations. “We are demanding that the strikes be immediately stopped and not be resumed again.”

The diplomat did not provide any evidence for his statement. NATO has attempted to utilize western media to discredit Russia, as early as Wednesday evening. Russia in response, published a video which is documenting the attacks on IS. Not even in this video is it possible to ascertain if the footage is showing the reality as postulated.

The confirmation of the Russian information's correctness, is the stance of Israel: Jerusalem is being kept in the loop by Moscow. It is telling that the Israeli media is publishing only very small reports of the Syrian air attacks. The dominant news, is the statement by the Palestinian leader, about the cancellation of the Oslo Accord.

The Saudis are on a back-room deal spree: they don't want to loose the Americans as an ally, since the US, as still the largest economic power, appeals more then Russia. But the Russian president has made overt moves over the last few month. Moscow's and Riyadh's interests can be brought closer in the current raw materials crisis: both countries are dependent on crude exports and as time goes by, can form a interest base coalition.

The Saudis have yet another interest: supported by the US, they are carrying on an internationally illegal war against Yemen. This week, the UN served Saudi Arabia the certification for this. The Saudis fear, that the reordering of the Middle East at the hands of Russia, may involve their withdrawal from Yemen.

China, which supports Russia's intervention in Syria, demanded a political solution for Syria on Thursday.
 

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Russia Is Destabilizing Syria… According to the People Currently Destabilizing Syria
Talk about destabilizing: the US both funnels weapons to and bombs terrorists at the same time

Don Shay | (Anti-Media) | Russia Insider



Originally appeared at Anti-Media

In a move many consider to be an act of bitter defiance to the West, the Russian government appears to have significantly increased its military aid to the Syrian regime. This support hinges largely on the provision of providing advanced weaponry — such as tanks and artillery — training Syrian soldiers to use those weapons systems, and Russian-led airstrikes against ISIS. Unsurprisingly, Western media pundits and officials (and their devoted followers) are expressing renewed outrage over Russia’s involvement in the Syrian conflict — at the same time, excluding pertinent background information on Russia’s historical roots in the region.

Russia’s support for Syria dates back to 1946, when Russia helped consolidate Syria’s independence. The two countries mutually came to a diplomatic and military agreement in the form of a non-aggression pact, which was enacted on April 20, 1950. In this pact, Russia promised support to the newly-created Syria by helping to develop its military and by providing tactical support. Essentially, Russia and Syria have been cooperating for decades both militarily and economically, with Russia maintaining a naval base on the Syrian Mediterranean.

Regardless of history, it matters little if global consensus opinion supports Russia. The reality is that the war in Syria has no positive outcomes for the people living there. If Assad is removed from power, it is likely the country will fall completely into the hands of ISIS and other terror groups — much like what occurred in Libya and Iraq. The United States’ prospects in the region seem dismal to anyone with a track record of our earlier interventions. If the U.S. placed more emphasis on diplomacy and less emphasis on arming belligerents, however, a political solution to the Syrian conflict would be much more of a possibility.

A primary criticism of Russia’s relationship with Syria is that arming Assad is an attempt to prolong the conflict and destroy the nation. U.S. pundits point fingers at Russia as if its allegiance with Syria is a new development without understanding the historical intricacies of the Russian-Syrian relationship. In contrast, many individuals complaining about Russia’s role in “destabilizing Syria” and “prolonging the conflict” do not apply the same scrutiny to the United States’ new-found interest in the country.

It is no secret the United States has armed, trained, and financed the Syrian rebels for nearly the entire duration of the conflict. Does this implicate the United States in prolonging the conflict? U.S.-backed fighters have consistently defected to ISIS and Al-Qaeda, transferring their battle experience and weaponry to virulent terrorist groups. When Al-Qaeda violently occupies villages and towns and ISIS fighters send scores of refugees fleeing for their lives, should the U.S. policy that caused such a catastrophe be questioned?

Critics concerned by what Russia is accused of doing destabilizing Syria and prolonging the conflict should be equally opposed to U.S. intervention in that country. U.S. intervention in Syria, much like U.S. intervention elsewhere, has culminated in unprecedented destabilization and blowback. However, most people — as George Orwell understood — have a lopsided view of history, as they ignore and almost refuse to come to terms with the atrocities their own state commits, and by that logic, ignore the detrimental role the United States has played in Syria.

The tragedy of the current crisis in Syria is not that hundreds of thousands of people have died or that millions more have become refugees. What makes the death and suffering of so many Syrians tragic is that their pain and grief achieved nothing. It seems there will be no silver lining around the bottomless and ever-expanding pit of war and death in Syria.

One of the best solutions for a peaceful Syria hinges on the United States completely withdrawing from the region and the U.N. strengthening, instead of impeding, democratic movements that usher in a peaceful transition from chaos to stability. Calling for U.S. intervention in this region is simply perpetuating decades-old Russian-American animosity expressed through what could be considered a proxy war between terrorists on both sides of the political spectrum in Syria. This will only hurt innocent civilians by causing death and destruction — and by extension, promoting continued massive movements of refugees.
 

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BTW guys, instead of reading the articles , read the best rated comments sections Of the articles. Seems like no one is believing the bullshit peddled by the US and its lackeys other than its ass lickers:lol:
 

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Putin Is Forging a New Global Alliance
Russia’s intervention in Syria may signal not only its full reemergence as a world power, but a corresponding decline of the US as sole hegemon

(German Economic News) | Russia Insider


The US is starting to lose center stage

This article originally appeared in German Economic News . Translated by Paul Dunne for Russia Insider.

Russia’s intervention in Syria has developed into something like a geo-political crime novel. The Russians have agreed alliances with China and Iran. The aim of these three great powers is to do away with the hegemony of the USA in the Middle East. This could lead to a shift in the global balance of power. Europe’s role in all this might be to accept and integrate the refugees from the region.

The US government is threatened with a much greater setback in the Middle East than the loss of face involved in the greatest military power in the world being unable to defeat IS.

Russia’s president Vladimir Putin has quietly, but with great speed and consequence, formed a new alliance in the Middle East designed to promote the parties’ interests in the region at the expense of the those of the Americans.

Pravda reports that Peking has agreed to support the Russian intervention in Syria. Igor Morozow, member of the Russian parliamentary committee for foreign affairs, told the newspaper that China had already sent one warship to the Mediterranean and was ready to deploy its military off the coast of Syria in support of Russia. Iran is also a member of the alliance and is ready to fight against IS through Hisbollah. Leonid Krukatow told the newspaper that the principal conflict in international politics is that between China and the USA. Russia is ready to co-operate with both. This development will fundamentaly alter a world order that has been fixed for years.

With the founding of an information centre, Putin has brought Iran, Syria and Iraq together on its side in the fight against IS. The New York Times reported that the states have established a common center for infromation exchange in the Iraqi capital Baghdad. The German Press Agency confirmed the establishment of a co-operative centre for the respective secret services.

According to Russian agencies the centre could also be used to co-ordinate joint military operations against IS. Representatives of the General Staffs of Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran are to analyse the situation. According to reports the leadership is at present held by Iraq, and will be changed every three months.

The government in Baghdad is at present armed and supplied by the USA. The NYT reported that Iraq has nevertheless silently supported the Russians in their operations in Syria – despite the thousands of [US] military advisors active in Baghdad.

Putin is consciously fishing in waters that have up to now been a US domain. Already on Saturday he was discussing the situation in the Syrian war with King Salman of Saudi Arabia, the Kremlin has announced. This was the second telephone conversation within two weeks with a King whose kingdom has close military ties to the USA and is one of the chief financiers of the various armed groups [in Syria].

Saudi Arabia persues its own war in Yemen, one which has seen clear violations of human rights. The civil population is defenceless against Saudi air strikes. The territorial integrity of Yemen has long been a thing of the past. Protests about this by the EU, which has accused Russia of doing precisely this in Ukraine, remain unknown.

This development has clearly taken the USA completely by surprise. The US has not been following a clear line in foreign policy in the past weeks. While US President Barack Obama wants to co-operate with Putin, indeed has called on him to engage in Syria, the neo-cons fight against bringing in Russia.

Russia’s plans for the Middle East involve much more than a victory over IS. They want to secure influence over the region’s raw materials. Russia has been involved in Syria for a long time, because Syria is strategically important for Gazprom. Putin has obviously been waiting for a time when the “lame duck” Obama would have limited freedom of manoeuvre. In the USA the Presidential election campaign involves all important political players. Putin wants to use this situation, not least because, due to the aggressive stance of the USA over Ukraine, he can no longer expect the relations between the two great powers to be normalized within the foreseeable future. The fact that Obama once attempted to make Russia a laughing-stock by dismissing it as “a regional power” plays no great role here. Putin behaves rationally in face of the Western reading, as one can tell from his recent interview with CBS.

This development could be very unpleasant for Europe. The large-scale attacks on IS will also hit the civilian population. There will be further expulusions and ethnic cleansing. The Russians will do nothing about this. They know that above all Germany, with its undertaking to accept all refugees from the crisis region, has made the work of the parties to the war easier.

Also, the West has discredited itself by its stance over Ukraine. After all, ethnic cleansing is also going on there. The announcement by the Prime Minister Arseni Yatsenyuk, who owes his position to the US, that Russians would do best to leave Ukraine, and the consequent driving-out of hundreds of thousands on ethnic Russians from eastern Ukraine, have given Putin a forceful argument. He can accuse the West of itself taking part in ethnic cleansing – and conclude that he has a free hand in the Middle East. He regards the EU as a refuge for those driven out.

The open invitation from the Chancellor and the resignation evident in German refugee policy in general, is a dream come true for Putin. He is an iron-hard politician, who is convinced that in a world full of threats one can only rule with an iron hand. And with this policy he finds ever more supporters. Today democratic India has done the same as Russia and decided to ban those foreign NGOs and Think-Tanks who they suspect to be engaged in political agitation.

Putin also benefits from the West’s uncoordinated actions against IS. France has been threatening since the weekend to also mount air strikes against IS. The British are already militarily engaged, but given no signs of being ready to seek a diplomatic solution.

For Israel the situation for just as threatening. Iran, despite signing the Atom-Deal, has missed no opportunity to assert that Israel must disappear from the earth. The arming of Hisbollah, already aclaimed by Nasrallah, the head of the organisation, is an existential threat to Israel. Whether the Israelis and Russia have come to an agreement on this is unclear. Prime Minister Netanjahu travelled alone to Moscow to brief Putin on the situation. The Israeli government feels betrayed by the USA, since Netanyahu opposed the Iran deal to the last. Whether Mossad then already knew about the new alliance is unknown.

Just as unknown is how the USA will react. It is not to be excluded, that they will accept Putin’s offer, in order not to be overtaken by events. A key role will most likely be played by the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. He intends to defeat the PKK and with that also the non-violent Kurdish oppositon. For months Turkey has been bombarding Kurdish positions in Syria and Iraq, without the slightest consideration for civilian casualties. It may be presumed that Erdogan has purchased the silence of the West by tolerating the presence in Turkey of two million refugees. But even that humanitarian gesture will not be an enduring one: turkey has already warned Bulgaria that the seven million refugees in Turkey are lonly waiting to find a way to Europe. Bulgaria has brought this to the attention of the EU. There has been apparently no reaction. The EU-Commisioner Johannes Hahn has given Turkey reason to believe that Visa-free travel will soon be possible. It is known that large numbers of forged travel documents are circulating in Turkey.

The new alliance, also has after-effects in close economic co-operation, especially between China and Russia. The “Silk Road Project” is the largest infrastructure project today. With the new Asian investment bank AIIB the Chinese and Russians have created a counterpart to the IWF, with the goal of ending the hegemony of the dollar.

In the Middle East this strategy could be widened by an attack on the Petro-Dollar. Russia would then move from being a regional power to a serious global player.

US President Obama is due to meet with Chinese leaders in the coming weeks. The prelude to this has been threats from the US government against China. The Chinese will listen with patience to the American representations. They know that they are talking to a world power whose global monopoly may soon be a thing of the past.
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Commentary: It is difficult to refuse to acknowledge that the balance of power is shifting away from the US and towards a Russo-Chinese sphere; and it is difficult to see the folly of some Indians wishing India to drift towards the US, oblivious that such an act is like betting on a horse that has been on a losing streak lately.
 

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BTW guys, instead of reading the articles , read the best rated comments sections Of the articles. Seems like no one is believing the bullshit peddled by the US and its lackeys other than its ass lickers:lol:
Of course, I enjoy reading the comments at articles. They are indeed short, caustic, and right on the bull's eye, especially if the article itself is full of bull shit.
 

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2 Minute Video Shows Media are Lying About Targets of Russian Airstrikes in Syria
In The Now | Russia Insider


CNN just can't stop lying

Plus priceless footage of US Defense secretary Ash Carter and a top general squirming in front of a congressional committee when they explain how they spent $500 million to train 4-5 rebel fighters. These two clowns represent the United States of Stupid.

Also good cameo from Russian foreign minister Lavrov with a nice one-liner.

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Commentary: Please take some time out and see this short video.
 

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Russia Offers Iraq an Alternative to US’ Bumbling Anti-ISIS Effort
Iraq knows better than anyone else that US has been soft-handed with ISIS

(Moon of Alabama) | Russia Insider



Originally appeared at Moon of Alabama

The U.S. has been pressing Iraq to accept its orders on how to fight the Islamic State. It prohibited the use of quite effective, though mostly Shia, Hashd al-Shabi militia against IS in Ramadi and other places and instead wants to (again) retrain a hopelessly useless Iraqi army and a few tribal Sunni militia.

The U.S. also held back long ordered weapons for the Iraqi army and air force and its bombing campaign against IS targets in Iraq is rather lackluster. By accident Hashd al-Shabi militia attacking IS positions have been hit by U.S. air strikes several times.

The public opinion in Iraq is that the U.S. has (again) nefarious aims and is neither committed to a united and sovereign Iraq nor to eradicating the Islamic State.

But now Russia offers an alternative. An intelligence operations room was opened in Baghdad in which Iraq, Iran, Syria, Russia and Hizbullah (the 4+1) develop and exchange intelligence about the Islamic State and possible targets for coming attacks. It looks pretty bad for the U.S. to not be trusted enough to take part in it.

But that is not enough yet. After Russia started its anti-terrorist air campaign in Syria yesterday despite U.S. protests it is now setting the mark even higher. Against a onslaught of dumb U.S. propaganda it is expertly trolling the U.S. over its lack of legitimacy:

Micah Zenko
LOL Lavrov, “We are polite people, as you know. We don't come if not invited.” bbc.in/1PQf8IA

Lavrov also trolled the U.S. by making an offer to Iraq and that offer was received rather friendly. From my feed timeline:

Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak
Reuters: Russian foreign ministry says it would consider any request from #Iraq to conduct airstrikes against Islamic State in Iraq

Elijah J. Magnier @EjmAlrai
#Russia informed #Baghdad inofficially ts readiness 2bomb #ISIS in #Iraq. I am not sure PM Haidar Abadi would dare 2ask for Russian support.


Marc Perelman @mperelman
#Iraq Pm #Abadi @FRANCE24: #Putin told me Russia fighting #ISIS in Syria and I trust him, I'm open to Russian airstrikes vs Daech in Iraq

Loveday Morris @LovedayM
Abadi tells France24 there are no talks with Russia on strikes in #Iraq - yet. “If we get the offer we’ll consider it.. I would welcome it”

Elijah J. Magnier @EjmAlrai
Abadi wouldn't dare now. He is halting Hashd al-Shabi following a #USA request. I can't see U.S & Russia collaborating in Iraq

I for one can see Abadi changing horses. Why rely on the U.S. when all it does, preferring the Kurds and Sunni militia while holding back effective Shia militia, seems to be against a unified Iraq and when the U.S. fight against IS is at maximum halfhearted. But even if Abadi will not kick out the U.S. and invite the Russians he can at least use the Russian offer to pressure the U.S. into a different behavior. It now has to respect the will of the Iraqi government and must wages an effective war against IS. Or it can leave.

It is always good to have an alternative when negotiating with a superior partner. Abadi now has one. And Abadi isn't the only one who is interested to change horses:

The largest pro-Kurdish group fighting in Syria has said it is ready to co-operate with Moscow, after Russian jets began launching airstrikes in the country.

After Russia began a series of 20 strikes in the north of the country on Wednesday night, the leader of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) called the move “an important step”.

Sipan Hemo, general commander of the YPG, told Russian news agency Sputnik that his fighters want to co-operate with Russia against the forces of Islamic State (IS).

In his statements to Sputnik [..] Hemo said he would support Russian strikes targeting al-Nusra Front as well as IS.

“Russia should fight not only against IS, but also against al-Nusra. There is no difference between Nusra and IS – they are both al-Qaeda,” Hemo is quoted as saying.

It now seems that every U.S. “ally” on the ground, except the now finally acknowledged CIA trained friends-of-Nusra-and-IS, would prefer to work with Russia instead of working under hapless U.S. policies.

That is some well deserved egg in the face for the Obama administration and its duplicity within its anti-Syria and anti-IS campaign.
 

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Russia’s Air War in Syria: Its Organisation and Purpose
Satellite photos and information from the Russian Defence Ministry confirm a potent strike force able to provide powerful air support to the Syrian military

Daniel Fielding | Russia Insider


Russian SU24 - leading the air strikes in Syria

Satellite pictures and reports from the Russian Defence Ministry make it possible to identify the Russian aircraft involved in the Syrian operation.

It appears that 50 aircraft are involved, of which a proportion are helicopters. All the aircraft appear to be operating from the newly expanded air base at Latakia.

It is not certain at this point what type of helicopters are being used. The probability is they are transport helicopters intended to provide support for the fixed wing wing aircraft, rather than gunships.

The aircraft that are actually carrying out the strikes are heavy SU24 supersonic strike aircraft and SU25 subsonic ground attack aircraft.

These types of aircraft were both developed in the 1960s and entered service in the 1970s.

Claims that they are outdated are however certainly wrong.

Both types of aircraft have been heavily and repeatedly updated, and are formidable machines, fully proficient for their roles.

Since these are strike and ground attack aircraft, whose task is to carry and drop bombs, they do not require the very high performance and manoeuvrability or the complex avionics of the latest fighter aircraft, and comparisons with such aircraft are therefore wrong.

The Western aircraft these Russian aircraft most closely resemble are the European Panavia Tornado strike aircraft (in the case of the SU24) and the US A10 Thunderbolt ground attack aircraft (in the case of the SU25).

The Tornado and the A10 were also conceived in the 1960s and entered service in the 1970s. Both are however still in service, and the SU24 and SU25 are technically and technologically comparable to both of them.

As is always the case when Russian military capabilities are concerned, claims are already being made that the electronic and targeting systems of the Russian aircraft are technologically inferior to those of the West, and that the Russians do not have the precision guided munitions the Western powers have.

As I wrote recently, these claims of Russian technological backwardness are perennially made, and are perennially proved wrong.

The Russians do have large stocks of precision guided munitions, which are at least comparable in effectiveness to similar Western weapons.

As for targeting equipment, the Russians did indeed fall behind the West in the 1990s because of the systemic crisis that overcame their defence industry during that decade. However, sorting out this deficiency will have been given high priority, and whatever problems there once were will by now have certainly been sorted out.

Since exports of targeting systems are sensitive because of their highly classified nature, it is wrong to make assumptions about the capabilities of Russian aircraft in this area based upon the deficiencies - real or imagined - of aircraft the Russians export.

In summary, the SU24 and SU25 are perfectly suited to their role in the Syrian campaign, and there is no reason to think the Russian airforce is any less capable of conducting precision strikes than Western airforces are. Whether such strikes are ever as precise as airforces - Western or Russian - claim, is another matter.

The third fixed wing aircraft positively identified at the air base in Latakia is the far more modern SU30.

Unlike the SU24 and SU25 this is a modern super manoeuvrable multi role aircraft.

It is fully capable of carrying out strikes on ground targets, but there is no film so far showing it actually doing so, and given the weak air defences of the jihadi militias, use of such an advanced aircraft in such a role hardly seems worthwhile.

The same incidentally is true of claims of the deployment to Syria of the SU34.

This is a very advanced strike and ground attack aircraft that uses the same platform (based on the earlier SU27) as the SU30. Though a highly potent aircraft, for the sort of campaign the Russians are conducting in Syria it appears over sophisticated and excessive, offering little in practical terms that is not already being provided by the older SU24 at much lower cost.

If the Russians really have deployed SU34s to Syria it is not because they are needed there. It is because the Syrian conflict provides an ideal opportunity to test them.

Evidence SU34s have actually been deployed to Syria is sketchy. Further speculation on their deployment is unwise until positive news of their presence is provided.

As for the SU30s, they are almost certainly not intended to be used in air strikes.

Rather they are there to provide air cover for the SU24s and SU25s, and to deter others (the US, the Israelis and the Turks) from interfering with the Russian campaign.

Reports the US agreed with France and Turkey a few weeks ago to create a no-fly zone over Syria is sufficient to explain their presence.

They are also the means whereby the Russians are able to make effective the threat implicit in their demand that the US and Israel desist from overflights of Syria whilst Russian bombing is underway.

The SU30s give the Russians a potent air superiority fighter and interceptor with which to challenge US and Israeli fighters should there ever be the risk of a clash. Its deterrent effect is almost certainly sufficient to ensure such a clash never happens.


The Russian campaign in Syria is the first occasion the Russian military has gone into action in the Middle East since the end of the so-called “War of Attrition” in 1970.

It has led to speculation that the Russians may have difficulty sustaining the logistics of such an operation.

Once again we see the influence of stereotypical assumptions about the supposed inferiority of Russian military capabilities as compared to Western ones.

This contrasts with the reality of the lighting speed with which the operation was organised and the deployment took place, which has thrown the US completely off-balance.

It seems it took the Russians just a few weeks to carry out a deep enlargement of the Latakia airfield to convert it into a fully operational air base, and to deploy a powerful strike group there.

The time between the decision to act and the action itself appears to have been astonishingly short, and contrasts with the painstaking preparations requiring weeks and months that it can take the US to undertake similar deployments (for example those against the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, or those against Saddam Hussein in 1990 and 2003).

Even allowing for the fact that the Russians were able to draw on equipment pre-positioned at their base in Tartus (something the Russian military has admitted), it is an impressive logistical feat, and puts paid to the idea the Russians lack the logistical ability to sustain the campaign at its present tempo for very long.

The strike group only represents the “teeth” of the deployment.

As well as the aircraft and their personnel, there is an infantry force of possibly battalion strength defending the Latakia air base. The Russians have confirmed these are paratroopers drawn from their Airborne Forces. Their role is strictly defensive and the Russians have ruled out their being used in any offensive action.

The Russians will however have supported their strike group with an elaborate intelligence and surveillance infrastructure. Details of this are highly classified but will include satellites, drones and other methods of electronic intelligence, as well as spies.

There will also be forward air controllers and officers embedded at various levels of the Syrian armed forces, including at the highest command levels, but also on the ground in combat units.

There will also be an operations headquarters to process the intelligence and coordinate and plan the air strikes. This will have an elaborate and secure communications net, connecting it to the Syrian military, the various intelligence sources, the strike force in Latakia, and Moscow, and will also have analysts and processing equipment, to process the intelligence, plan the air strikes and assess their effectiveness.

It appears to be located in Baghdad - well away from the fighting as such a headquarters should be. Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi officers are undoubtedly present in a liaison role.

This headquarters is almost certainly the same as the “anti-terrorist information centre” in Baghdad whose existence the Russians have disclosed, and which has been referred to in news reports.

The US says a Russian “three-star” General (presumably that means a Lieutenant General) visited the US embassy in Baghdad an hour before the first strikes to warn the US to stay away. That is a clear indication that the operations headquarters is in Baghdad, and that it is a proper headquarters, not just a centre for information exchange.

We do not yet know anything about the Russian commanders of the force. This is in keeping with the traditions of the Russian General Staff which like the Prussian General Staff of former times believes General Staff officers should be nameless. Over time we will doubtless learn more.

There remains the claim that the Russian strike force is too small to make an effective difference, and is purely a “token force”.

This is however to misunderstand its purpose.

If the Russians intended to conduct in Syria the sort of air campaign the US routinely undertakes, seeking victory through air power, then the force would indeed be too small.

The Russians however have never sought at any time in their history to win victory in this way, it being completely contrary to their military philosophy, which is based on the concept of combined arms.

Once this is understood then the true purpose of the strike force becomes clear - to provide air support to the Syrian army and Hezbollah, which are the forces that are actually doing the fighting on the ground.

For that role the Russian strike force is more than adequate.

POSTSCRIPT: After the above was written the Russian Defence Ministry confirmed the presence of SU34s as part of the strike group operating in Syria. They are apparently being used to carry out night time strikes, for which their advanced electronics make them more suitable than the SU24.
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Commentary:
  1. The Sukhoi-24 is old, but is no technological midget. It is both sturdy, effective, and one of the few swing-wing aircraft still in use.
  2. The Sukhoi-25s operated by the Kiev regime have been shot down like flies, but those are seriously disadvantaged, due to lack of repairs and advanced electronics, which the Russian Sukhoi-25s are equipped with.
  3. The Sukhoi-30s are deployed to keep the NATO and Israeli aircraft from interfering with the Russian Air Force, when they are on mission.
  4. The Sukhoi-34s are being used for nighttime raids.
  5. The most important question is, how on earth did Russia manage to carry out this massive logistic operation? They even managed to setup an air base in less time than they took to build a railway right upto the then Russian-Georgian border. At one point, India moved troops along the Indo-Tibetan Border. The Mil-26 strategic lifters were used. India needs to consider a strategic fixed wing lifter, even larger than the C-17 and the Ilyushin-76. India needs something like the Antonov-124.
 

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Its funny when the American fanboys resort to such stupid logic:lol:

Of course the conflict is going to intensify. Thats what happens when the other side fights back against the terrorists. That's like saying India should not respond to paki army invasion as it would intensify the conflicts.:rolleyes:

It is in India's interest to be on US side, as considering IOR and Asia we both countries are on the same boat.

And that is why I prefer to be on US side and become an American fanboy . :bounce:

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But the most funny part here is the Russian vassalhood holders on DFI failed to calculate the consequence.

Bringing Iranian army for ground operations, that too next door to Israel.

Which has its own border disputes. :devil:

Anyway, welcome to wonderland dear.

And best of luck too. :wink:
 

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