Russia urges India to line up behind China's Belt and Road initiative

[hit&run]

Russia is urging India to play poodle to China?

Meanwhile, Russia extorts India for money to develop its (Russia's) new weapons developments that it is unable to afford, and then sells India junk weapons, while at the same time (Russia) sells its new cutting edge weapons (developed in part thanks to Indian money) to India's No. 1 enemy, China...

An all-weather friend, eh?

From where you got this word 'Poodle' out ?

One Russian diplomate has opined that India is smart enough to use OBOR without sacrificing its position.

Are you one of those troll who open mouth without reading the contents ?

 

[F-14B]

as @hit&run said India will take advantage of the OROB without being a member of it the "urging" seems to just some eyewash vodka by comrade Russia India if she plays her cards right can truly isolate that pesky little neighbour of ours and making China more Interconnected with us can also solve the Frontier Issue once and for all

 

[Yggdrasil]

China cannot have its own NATO or West with only Russia and Cambodia...

Don't forget the mighty nations of Laos, North Korea and Pakistan.

 

[Aghore_King]

Don't forget the mighty nations of Laos, North Korea and Pakistan.

Oh..yeah...That doges nations..

 

[asianobserve]

Don't forget the mighty nations of Laos, North Korea and Pakistan.

And there goes another saying: "TELL ME WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE."

 

[kamaal]

Instead of announcing a blanket ban, we should join them from backdoor, to avoid political anger back home. OBOR is good project and if we stay away from it we'll end up isolating ourselves economically from other Asian countries.
I would rather choose to develop INSTC and AAGC asap, to counter OBOR, and also join OBOR to take advantage of it and avoid those terms which affects our interests.

CPEC is completely different topic now, our govt doesn't looks very strict on karakoram highway or CPEC anyway, no protest or warning yet which would have forced China to withdraw from the region. If we are serious then issue a threat immediately ask them to withdraw or else we'll setup diplomatic relations with Taiwan and will ask Taiwanese to invest in Arunachal Pradesh.

To be honest, we are behaving like Pakistanis whenever we deal with China. And thats very dangerous, remember we all have baniya blood inside. Leave anger aside.

 

[no smoking]

If we are serious then issue a threat immediately ask them to withdraw or else we'll setup diplomatic relations with Taiwan and will ask Taiwanese to invest in Arunachal Pradesh.

In Taiwan's map, Arunachal Pradesh is part of theirs (ROC).

To be honest, we are behaving like Pakistanis whenever we deal with China. And thats very dangerous, remember we all have baniya blood inside. Leave anger aside.

Because you are in a similar position as Pakistan in her confrontation against you: weaker side.
Yes, Chinese got USA on the top of their priority. But you also got China on the top of your priority. Worst of worse, Arab world and USA are Pakistan's allies as well.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

'Urge' and 'Line up' are confuting.

LOL

Kindly post the link of this article.

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[hit&run]

Thanks for the link same was posted by the other good poster.
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The title is oxymoron wrote by a moron author.

How can some one urge and then patronise to Line up in the same sentence. 'Line up' has connotation of dictation by an authority or a desperation or necessity. India gives two hoots about Chinese colonialism called OBOR which is nothing but domesticating these failed states as its debt pets.

BTW these article have become so annoying that I have thought not to respond or would request OP to mention what they think about the content and intent of the author when they post here.

General blogging rule is, if you post an article you agree with its contents.

One thing we must understand that nothing in spontaneous or freelance in business of media and opinionated News publishing. Everything is paid.

I honestly think DFI has far more intelligent members than we see at PDF where every garbage gets posted and then debated by low IQ Chinese and Pakistanis. Those dolts can go on spouting spree only after reading the titles.

 

[hit&run]

as @hit&run said India will take advantage of the OROB without being a member of it the "urging" seems to just some eyewash vodka by comrade Russia India if she plays her cards right can truly isolate that pesky little neighbour of ours and making China more Interconnected with us can also solve the Frontier Issue once and for all

OBOR is a no go venture for us.

Chinese are crook to their core and have made nothing transparent about these projects. Even if one not go into conspiracy of China encircling India and our strategic interests being challenged this venture is nothing but a 'Rogue nations Conglomeration'. Any nation who is accountable to its people will be a misfit.

The noises we are hearing about requesting India to join are either coming from naive people who do not understand Chinese way of doing things or are made to create a smoke screen of inclusiveness when Chinese have actually designed OBOR such a way that India will never join.

 

[Flame Thrower]

There is always ways of twisting and turning of words. In diplomacy, poisonous words are sugar coated and said in a praising way to get the job done.

Without India joining the OBOR, the chances of its success is very less. OBOR passes through poor countries, they neither have enough money to buy stuff nor have industries to manufacture and sell highend goods. If India joins, then we can buy and sell stuff thus making OBOR less costly.

China knows this, they also know that China can't even recover 50% of the loan from the countries who have taken debt. China can take debt defaulers one at a time but not all at once. So they need someone who can bear the load.

China will be able to repeat Hambantota in all the invested countries, after that no country would come forward to take loans from Chinese(even the corrupted ones). Taking strategic locations in debt to equity swapping sounds good but if strategic locations gives no monetary benefits and causing loss of hunders of billions of dollars doesn't sound like a good opportunity.

GOI knows that China had its eyes focused to stop India becoming a super power. China didn't even allow a terrorist to become a UN designated one, didn't allow India to get into NSG, how can they expect us to do such a favors to China.

Accepting OBOR even for Indian benefits would be a bad sign. We can get similar benefits(if not more) from other countries like Japan. India can always get stuff from USA or buy from Russia. Joining OBOR will strengthen Chinese cause, which GOI can't afford to; even Russians know this. China knows that only Russia can persuade India to think twice, but as always to OBOR....the answer should be NO.

 

[Flame Thrower]

Instead of announcing a blanket ban, we should join them from backdoor, to avoid political anger back home. OBOR is good project and if we stay away from it we'll end up isolating ourselves economically from other Asian countries.
I would rather choose to develop INSTC and AAGC asap, to counter OBOR, and also join OBOR to take advantage of it and avoid those terms which affects our interests.

CPEC is completely different topic now, our govt doesn't looks very strict on karakoram highway or CPEC anyway, no protest or warning yet which would have forced China to withdraw from the region. If we are serious then issue a threat immediately ask them to withdraw or else we'll setup diplomatic relations with Taiwan and will ask Taiwanese to invest in Arunachal Pradesh.

To be honest, we are behaving like Pakistanis whenever we deal with China. And thats very dangerous, remember we all have baniya blood inside. Leave anger aside.

Can you mention one goddamn benefits which we may not get if we don't join OBOR!?

Pak went suicidal, we wouldn't do that mistake.

Usually when you're on weaker side, you tend to over power the smaller situations(just to show that you're not weak).

By not joining OBOR, we got $17 billion loan for Bullet trains, we'll also get tech. More over the repayment starts after 15yrs and the interest for that loan is 0.1%.

This is only the minor one, Japan and India started their work on AAGC. This is to link all the business of Asian countries with raw materials in Africa. AAGC can act as path to get highend tech from Japan. This is not over yet, as the businesses with Japan increases, then there is a slight chances of reduction of imports from China. Increase of business to Japan might postpone the bubble in Japan thus forcing China to focus more in its backyard than on India.

We also started North - South Transport corridor with Russia and Europe. If this gets successful, then importance of OBOR goes down. Do you think GOI should shut its business and play second fiddle to China

Do you know that India started its exports to Afghan through Iran. It is only a matter of years and whole Central Asia will come into picture.

Did GOI told personally to you that we shall forget PoK....if the action is not happening doesn't mean that we gave up our views on PoK. Remember you'll construct the first floor only after necessary work on ground floor is completed.

 

[hit&run]

Requesting posters to discuss very briefly why Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

I will present my argument why I am not digressing and why it is relevant to this topic.

 

[kamaal]

Can you mention one goddamn benefits which we may not get if we don't join OBOR!?

Pak went suicidal, we wouldn't do that mistake.

Usually when you're on weaker side, you tend to over power the smaller situations(just to show that you're not weak).

By not joining OBOR, we got $17 billion loan for Bullet trains, we'll also get tech. More over the repayment starts after 15yrs and the interest for that loan is 0.1%.

This is only the minor one, Japan and India started their work on AAGC. This is to link all the business of Asian countries with raw materials in Africa. AAGC can act as path to get highend tech from Japan. This is not over yet, as the businesses with Japan increases, then there is a slight chances of reduction of imports from China. Increase of business to Japan might postpone the bubble in Japan thus forcing China to focus more in its backyard than on India.

We also started North - South Transport corridor with Russia and Europe. If this gets successful, then importance of OBOR goes down. Do you think GOI should shut its business and play second fiddle to China

Do you know that India started its exports to Afghan through Iran. It is only a matter of years and whole Central Asia will come into picture.

Did GOI told personally to you that we shall forget PoK....if the action is not happening doesn't mean that we gave up our views on PoK. Remember you'll construct the first floor only after necessary work on ground floor is completed.

1). So we got Bullet because we didn't join OBOR ? Where did you get that ?
2). Lets say congress didn't stop Chinese from building road in PoK, can I expect NDA to at least threaten China and ask them to stop all trade via PoK and dismantle CPEC ? No I can't.
3). AAGC & INSTC are good initiative but they are not even on the paper, plus the amount of money Japan & India have to invest in AAGC is questionable. INSTC is a dream too far and Central Asia & Russia does not have economy might neither huge trade with India that will force them to invest heavily in this corridor.
4). Charbahar Port took 15 years to just kick start single cargo depot, but we will have to use this corridor to start trade with Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakstan,etc otherwise this port won't be economic.
Trade volume between India-Afghan is hardly $ 380 milllion and that is not enough to reach break-even.

And no one is saying to play Chinese fiddle, but we should agree on deals which benefits us and put hold on those things which are suspicious to our interests.

And do you really think Indian policy makers would allow suicidal decision ?

 

[desicanuk]

Incredible advice from a so called friend - Bend over and let them (PRC) have a go!
Not likely.Chacha and his ilk did just that.Modiji has sent the right message to the thugs of Beijing - shove this CPEC shit you know where!! - Paki rear end!

 

[Razor]

Requesting posters to discuss very briefly why Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

I will present my argument why I am not digressing and why it is relevant to this topic.

Sevastopol, bastion of the Russian black fleet, helps Russia secure its access to the warm seas and trades of the Mediterranean and beyond; all other Russian ports are either too insignificant or too icy.
Russia befriending Turkey to keep Bosporus open, therefore Russia has options if obor goes to shit.
Meanwhile chin is cooked if Malacca is squeezed.
With obor Russia tries to connect manufacturing (chin) with market (euro) and be a middleman but Crimea is more important to Russia than obor.
Additionally sea trade is much easier and economical as compared to land-based trade routes. China needs obor as Malacca contingency but obor is only secondary to Russia in importance.