Russia Ukraine War 2022

[aim120]

Also how will russia differentiate a polish F16 doing CAP from a ukraine F16. Also given that western pilots would mostly fly these, it gives russia even more reason to take them out along with the launch bases.
Since the F16 could very well fly low, below the radar all the way from polish bases.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

The only F-16 batches earmarked for Ukraine are block 15-20 A/B-C/D models. Nothing near as potent as Vipers. The mission profile won't change.

 

[Blood+]

The only F-16 batches earmarked for Ukraine are block 15-20 A/B-C/D models. Nothing near as potent as Vipers. The mission profile won't change.

Still be more of a threat than their existing birds given the guys flying them are competent enough.

 

[Super Flanker]

Given that an old grandpa MiG-21 shot down a F-16, i am not too worried about the Ukronazis getting a F16. Sure, it won't be block C/D like the pakiland ones, but then again, Russia has far better options than MiG-21s to take out that overrated yankee piece of crap.

True F-16 was shot down by a MiG-21 but that MiG-21 was not exactly a "GrAnDpA", it was a highly upgraded version of MiG with avionics bringing nearly it to 3.5/4th generation standards.

Ever since the news of Ukraine getting F-16s had broken out, Ukrainians are acting as if F-16s would decimate Russia, sure F-16s would likely have much better arms package than any current UAF jet but I doubt that they would be the game changing wonder Weopon as many would tout them to be, western platforms are infact greatly overrated whereas Russian ones are underrated by being labelled as "Old Soviet Era Junk'.

 

[Blood+]

True F-16 was shot down by a MiG-21 but that MiG-21 was not exactly a "GrAnDpA", it was a highly upgraded version of MiG with avionics bringing nearly to 3.5/4th generation standards.

Ever since the news of Ukraine getting F-16s had broken out, Ukrainians are acting as if F-16s would decimate Russia, sure F-16s would likely have much better arms package than any current UAF jet but I doubt that they would be the game changing wonder Weopon as many would tout them to be, western platforms are infact greatly overrated whereas Russian ones are underrated by being labelled as "Old Soviet Era Junk'.

Plus the numbers they are getting those birds in are just miniscule.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

True F-16 was shot down by a MiG-21 but that MiG-21 was not exactly a "GrAnDpA", it was a highly upgraded version of MiG with avionics bringing nearly to 3.5/4th generation standards.

Ever since the news of Ukraine getting F-16s had broken out, Ukrainians are acting as if F-16s would decimate Russia, sure F-16s would likely have much better arms package than any current UAF jet but I doubt that they would be the game changing wonder Weopon as many would tout them to be, western platforms are infact greatly overrated whereas Russian ones are underrated by being labelled as "Old Soviet Era Junk'.

It was a MiG-21bis. Which is nowhere close to a 4th gen standard, at best, its a 3rd gen standard. My point is simple - if a MiG-21bis can take down a plane an entire generation superior to it, the conventional planes Russia has wont have much problems with the latest gen F16s.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The only F-16 batches earmarked for Ukraine are block 15-20 A/B-C/D models. Nothing near as potent as Vipers. The mission profile won't change.

Ok then Russia is gonna blow em outta the sky no problems.

 

[Super Flanker]

Plus the numbers they are getting those birds in are just miniscule.

Some Ukrainians say that they would get 100s of F-16s(Incase you perceive this as sarcasm or a joke, trust me, it's not). How much effect F-16s would have on the battle field would depend on how many numbers are deployed, which version alas Block standards they are, and which weopons they would field against the RuAF, and last but not least, how good/bad their operators aka pilots would be.

 

[Blood+]

Some Ukrainians say that they would get 100s of F-16s(Incase you perceive this as sarcasm or a joke, trust me, it's not). How much effect F-16s would have on the battle field would depend on how many numbers are deployed, which version alas Block standards they are, and which weopons they would field against the RuAF, and last but not least, how good/bad their operators aka pilots would be.

Then it will become a serious problem for the Russians, at least until they figure something out.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Ukrainians trying to get:-

F-16s
Even F-18 from Australia
Gripen and retired Tornadoes

 

[Corvus Splendens]

>Ukraine wants Spain's Patriot systems to replenish losses.
>Ukrainian transport helicopters start receiving Adros KUV 26-50 combo chaff & flare modules.
>New MTLB weed-whacker model spotted in Zaporizhiya (link).
>After the disaster at the Orekhov-workino line, AFU has fallen back to muster reserve forces. But continues artillery bombardment.
>In Zaporizhiya, the Ukrainian 47th Mechanized Brigade are now using their tanks as rear line artillery pieces. 3 Russian BM-21 Grads taken out by 26th Artillery Brigade.
>In Zaporizhiya, a TOS-1 was taken out by counter battery strike from Ukrainian M109 SPH.
>10-12 Bradleys and 3 Leopards taken out in Kherson.
>ANALysts claim the recent counteroffensives are a mere distraction and Ukraine has magically hidden away another 15 mechanized brigades that will make a surprise attack on Russian lines somewhere not Zaporizhiya, Kaminskoye, Bakhmut, Kherson or Rabotino.
>AFU has tapped into their reserves and have amassed over 300 MBTs of various makes and 350-380 IFVs in another attempt to take Zaporizhiya.
>Due to complaints, this post has not been colored.

 

[maximus777]

True F-16 was shot down by a MiG-21 but that MiG-21 was not exactly a "GrAnDpA", it was a highly upgraded version of MiG with avionics bringing nearly it to 3.5/4th generation standards.

Ever since the news of Ukraine getting F-16s had broken out, Ukrainians are acting as if F-16s would decimate Russia, sure F-16s would likely have much better arms package than any current UAF jet but I doubt that they would be the game changing wonder Weopon as many would tout them to be, western platforms are infact greatly overrated whereas Russian ones are underrated by being labelled as "Old Soviet Era Junk'.

I am eager to find out - Flankers v/s F-whatever. Let's get it on!!

 

[maximus777]

Also how will russia differentiate a polish F16 doing CAP from a ukraine F16. Also given that western pilots would mostly fly these, it gives russia even more reason to take them out along with the launch bases.
Since the F16 could very well fly low, below the radar all the way from polish bases.

Splash the Polish ones too and claim "transgression". Call out their "non state" BS.

I am hoping S400 can light them up as soon as they take off their runways.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Ukrainians trying to get:-

F-16s
Even F-18 from Australia
Gripen and retired Tornadoes

They haven't asked for F22s yet?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Some Ukrainians say that they would get 100s of F-16s(Incase you perceive this as sarcasm or a joke, trust me, it's not). How much effect F-16s would have on the battle field would depend on how many numbers are deployed, which version alas Block standards they are, and which weopons they would field against the RuAF, and last but not least, how good/bad their operators aka pilots would be.

Boolshet. They'll be lucky to get more than 20-25 in the first year of delivery.

 

[indiatester]

>Due to complaints, this post has not been colored.

It was just @sachincba man.
If you can just not use Yellow or its derivatives, it was fine.

 

[Sanglamorre]

>Ukraine wants Spain's Patriot systems to replenish losses.
>Ukrainian transport helicopters start receiving Adros KUV 26-50 combo chaff & flare modules.
>New MTLB weed-whacker model spotted in Zaporizhiya (link).
>After the disaster at the Orekhov-workino line, AFU has fallen back to muster reserve forces. But continues artillery bombardment.
>In Zaporizhiya, the Ukrainian 47th Mechanized Brigade are now using their tanks as rear line artillery pieces. 3 Russian BM-21 Grads taken out by 26th Artillery Brigade.
>In Zaporizhiya, a TOS-1 was taken out by counter battery strike from Ukrainian M109 SPH.
>10-12 Bradleys and 3 Leopards taken out in Kherson.
>ANALysts claim the recent counteroffensives are a mere distraction and Ukraine has magically hidden away another 15 mechanized brigades that will make a surprise attack on Russian lines somewhere not Zaporizhiya, Kaminskoye, Bakhmut, Kherson or Rabotino.
>AFU has tapped into their reserves and have amassed over 300 MBTs of various makes and 350-380 IFVs in another attempt to take Zaporizhiya.
>Due to complaints, this post has not been colored.

Please colour it back. I use dark mode. It's actually pretty nice for me

 

[Super Flanker]

It was a MiG-21bis. Which is nowhere close to a 4th gen standard, at best, its a 3rd gen standard. My point is simple - if a MiG-21bis can take down a plane an entire generation superior to it, the conventional planes Russia has wont have much problems with the latest gen F16s.

For your info, the MiG-21 in service with India is of the Bison standards, it is the most advanced version of the MiG-21, it is fitted with various goodies, BVR missiles like R-77, Israeli jammer pods to name a few so I would not call it a 3rd generation, neither maybe it could be called as even close to a fourth generation plane either, we can say it is between meaning it is a near 3.5 gen fighter.

But yes, the MiG-21 is indeed much behind the F-16 when it comes to technological sphere, the reason WC. Abhinandan managed to down the F-16 by firing an R-73 was cause of the fact that the F-16 pilots were not upto the mark. A while back, there were some sources citing how Pakistani pilots were given just passing marks in F-16 training, no wonder they lost a prized falcon to a mig.

 

[Master Chief]

Some Ukrainians say that they would get 100s of F-16s(Incase you perceive this as sarcasm or a joke, trust me, it's not). How much effect F-16s would have on the battle field would depend on how many numbers are deployed, which version alas Block standards they are, and which weopons they would field against the RuAF, and last but not least, how good/bad their operators aka pilots would be.

100s of F-16s for Ukraine would degrade Russian offensive capability against Ukraine, for a number of years.. but whether it will enable Ukraine to recapture the Crimean land bridge is not certain..

 

[DumbPilot]

But yes, the MiG-21 is indeed much behind the F-16 when it comes to technological sphere, the reason WC. Abhinandan managed to down the F-16 by firing an R-73 was cause of the fact that the F-16 pilots were not upto the mark. A while back, there were some sources citing how Pakistani pilots were given just passing marks in F-16 training, no wonder they lost a prized falcon to a mig.

Off topic. But were we carrying R-77s during this encounter in 2019