Russia Ukraine War 2022

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Craigs

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The city of Haishenwai, which only 100 years became known as Vladivostok is part of Outer Manchuria, a historical Chinese territory, which was stolen by Russian Empire after second Opium War. Weren´t RuSSians obsessed with fixing of historical wrongs caused by colonialism? :devil:
Was Russia involved in the Opium wars as a combatant? I think you should stop consuming opium.
 

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The city of Haishenwai, which only 100 years became known as Vladivostok is part of Outer Manchuria, a historical Chinese territory, which was stolen by Russian Empire after second Opium War. Weren´t RuSSians obsessed with fixing of historical wrongs caused by colonialism? :devil:
What is the ethnicity of the population in Vladivostok now ? What is the ethnicity of Crimea now ?
What was the ethnicity of the population in India or arabia when they kicked out the euro savages ?
 

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One at a time. Not 100s within a short time. Krakatoa effected global climate:

That is one explosion in the bottom corner of the world.

The US has 1644 deployed warheads,and if you include our ones and the French,probably almost 2000. Russia has 1588:

3600 between both. A full exchange would be 100s of megatons in a few hours. If you even assume a few 100 that is large quantities of lands irradiated and lots of dust into the air.

People in this thread are watching all the explosions of weapons dumps,etc 100s and 1000s of feet into the air. Make that 100s or 1000s of those at the same time,with 100x or 1000x bigger explosions.

People here are also have this fantasy the russian/american abm systems will shoot down 100% of incoming missiles. If they were 100% reliable,one side would have destroyed the other side by now.

India has more advanced air and missile defences than Pakistan. Will India try and proactively hit Pakistan nuclear sites?

What about North Korea? Why doesn't the US and South Korea strike their nuclear sites first?

Typical internet one-upmanship. I hope for our collective survival we have commonsense people in charge.
Humanity can endure 💪 a nuclear Armageddon! Only way to achieve world peace .

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Let's give the whole world to the hooligan, because he has 8 thousand warheads.
Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons in 1994 like a moron ! Ukraine had 1200 nukes & it gave it all up for what? Empty promises from US , UK , France & Russia . Even North Korea was smarter ...

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Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons in 1994 like a moron ! Ukraine had 1200 nukes & it gave it all up for what? Empty promises from US , UK , France & Russia . Even North Korea was smarter ...

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This is a debatable issue about nuclear weapons. My position is that we didn't need it. Eat is grass, as in North Korea, the people of Ukraine were not ready. In 2014, when Russia attacked us, our army was in a deplorable state. The same fate could be with nuclear weapons too.
 

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One at a time. Not 100s within a short time. Krakatoa effected global climate:

That is one explosion in the bottom corner of the world.

The US has 1644 deployed warheads,and if you include our ones and the French,probably almost 2000. Russia has 1588:

3600 between both. A full exchange would be 100s of megatons in a few hours. If you even assume a few 100 that is large quantities of lands irradiated and lots of dust into the air.

People in this thread are watching all the explosions of weapons dumps,etc 100s and 1000s of feet into the air. Make that 100s or 1000s of those at the same time,with 100x or 1000x bigger explosions.

People here are also have this fantasy the russian/american abm systems will shoot down 100% of incoming missiles. If they were 100% reliable,one side would have destroyed the other side by now.

India has more advanced air and missile defences than Pakistan. Will India try and proactively hit Pakistan nuclear sites?

What about North Korea? Why doesn't the US and South Korea strike their nuclear sites first?

Typical internet one-upmanship. I hope for our collective survival we have commonsense people in charge.
Volcanic eruptions are different as they are dust to begin with. Lets not compare nuclear explosions to that.

This is what I don't get. There were like 500 over ground nuclear explosions including those in mega tonne category. The nuclear winter type events even in small areas has not been shown to be significant.
Nuclear bombs are to be feared for their ill intention of eliminating populations indiscriminately. Nuclear winter and all are not well established for us to take it at just face value.
 

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This is a debatable issue about nuclear weapons. My position is that we didn't need it. Eat is grass, as in North Korea, the people of Ukraine were not ready. In 2014, when Russia attacked us, our army was in a deplorable state. The same fate could be with nuclear weapons too.
Eat grass? I thought you were always in a better position to keep Nukes than say North Korea or Pakistan. Would it have drained your treasury? Probably by a bit but certainly a odd 100 to 150 warheads woudnt push you to bancruptcy.
You dont just give up on your most prized possesion unless you belong to a nation of Long nosed tribe.
 

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Eat grass? I thought you were always in a better position to keep Nukes than say North Korea or Pakistan. Would it have drained your treasury? Probably by a bit but certainly a odd 100 to 150 warheads woudnt push you to bancruptcy.
You dont just give up on your most prized possesion unless you belong to a nation of Long nosed tribe.
I don't think North Korea could survive without the help of China. We do not have such neighbors, we did not have such enemies against whom we need nuclear weapons. This is what created the illusion in general of the need to have an army. It's not just us. Almost all European countries were disarmed. But someone longed for revenge.
 

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I don't think North Korea could survive without the help of China.
Were you as hapless as a draconian North Korea ever? Or did you people consider yoursleves equiavalent of North Koreans? Do countries that want to possess nuke are all equivalent of North korea? Its like you distrust your ownseleves, a very significant characteristic of US allied countries.
We do not have such neighbors, we did not have such enemies against whom we need nuclear weapons
Is it considered commedable to be a buffon in absence of adversary?
Almost all European countries were disarmed
France, Britain what about them. Only subhuman slavs keeping nukes is an eysore?
But someone longed for revenge.
Well looked how it played out.
Than again its your choice.
Good luck being the Weapon testing ground of Europe.
 

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Were you as hapless as a draconian North Korea ever? Or did you people consider yoursleves equiavalent of North Koreans? Do countries that want to possess nuke are all equivalent of North korea? Its like you distrust your ownseleves, a very significant characteristic of US allied countries.

Is it considered commedable to be a buffon in absence of adversary?

France, Britain what about them. Only subhuman slavs keeping nukes is an eysore?

Well looked how it played out.
Than again its your choice.
Good luck being the Weapon testing ground of Europe.
You have a very messed up brain. I thought it was only senile, like Lukashenka's. Britain and France developed nuclear weapons on their own and planned their economies so that they could afford them. They also disarmed For example: Where are the Pluto launchers?
Both countries retained nuclear weapons only on submarines.
Nuclear weapons are not a panacea. Putler was warned that he would be destroyed without the help of nuclear weapons if he used nuclear weapons himself.
The Ukrainian army had to be developed and modernized, but they followed the path: one MiG-29 went bad - another was taken from the reserve.
 

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Was Russia involved in the Opium wars as a combatant? I think you should stop consuming opium.
While it wasn´t the direct combatants, it threatened Chinese with the opening of second front and forced them to sign extremely disadvantageous treaty of Aigun.

"During and after the Second Opium War, the Qing government was also forced to sign treaties with Russia, such as the Treaty of Aigun and the Convention of Peking. As a result, China ceded more than 1.5 million square kilometers of territory to Russia in its north-east and north-west."
 

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Now Russia has made Kieve as their target. They are bombing it for the last two days after they snatched Bakhamut from the Ukrainians.

There is no end to this white man’s war. NATO / US on one side and Russia on the other side. It may last decades as the Russian PM said a few days back. At the current rate of war, I am sure the Russians as well as NATO countries will be exhausted. Ukraine will be a rubble only. All this that Zelensky wishes to join NATO.

Who is suffering …… the people of Ukraine fed on artificial promises of victory.

Germany although very prosperous is in recession. So is France. The US, the main supplier of arms to Ukraine has its own budget ceiling and political problem. If a strong anti war candidate shows up for coming elections then Biden Administration will be no more. That usually happens when an un-winnable war unfolds.

Rest of the world is a bit peaceful, leave aside civil war in Sudan. If US was not actively supporting Ukraine then it would be supporting one or the other war in Asia, Africa etc. Glad that the white man is fighting with each other. Even the Chinese intimidation of Taiwan is a bit less. A year back, they were hell set to invade Taiwan. Since they became aware that a tiny country like Ukraine with Western weapons could blunt the Russians who are far more advanced than the Chinese, then China will get a big black eye if they invade Taiwan.
 

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While it wasn´t the direct combatants, it threatened Chinese with the opening of second front and forced them to sign extremely disadvantageous treaty of Aigun.

"During and after the Second Opium War, the Qing government was also forced to sign treaties with Russia, such as the Treaty of Aigun and the Convention of Peking. As a result, China ceded more than 1.5 million square kilometers of territory to Russia in its north-east and north-west."
Source?
 

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