Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Master Chief

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Does it? This is what I read at Politico --> in total 100k dead + wounded.



Politico issued a correction on 17th March after Pressure..
Original article on 15th March was 100k KIA
 

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This is ridiculous, especially against the background of the Russian echelon with the T-54.
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How is Russia bringing in T-54s got anything to do with Ukrainian casualties until now..?
My statement still stands.. If UKRAINE ARMY can still fight for another couple of years as a cohesive unit, then it means that UAF have not suffered 250,000 KIA as some pro Russian accounts fantasize..
If UAF collapses within another year, then it means that UAF has suffered catastrophic casualties..
My personal opinion is UAF have not taken catastrophic casualties and can fight for years to come..
 

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How is Russia bringing in T-54s got anything to do with Ukrainian casualties until now..?
My statement still stands.. If UKRAINE ARMY can still fight for another couple of years as a cohesive unit, then it means that UAF have not suffered 250,000 KIA as some pro Russian accounts fantasize..
If UAF collapses within another year, then it means that UAF has suffered catastrophic casualties..
My personal opinion is UAF have not taken catastrophic casualties and can fight for years to come..
Heavily built defence line of Ukraine is being breached by Russian so what do you think, Are Ukrainian giving up as good will gesture? Obviously they are being slaughtered.

Ukraine is fighting with borrowed weapons for now so in next few years how many governments in NATO countries will change?

In next few years, imagine where inflation and de industrialisation of Europe will reach? UK is facing serious cost of living crisis, inflation has increased to 10.1% , debt to GDP ratio reached 87%

So this not actually Man power alone but industry and resources which fight long term war. Anyhow Ukrainian will be slaughtered due to lack of support. So Russia looks in comfort in the term of Men, weapons production and resources.
 

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The Czech-made RM-70 multiple launch rocket system, delivered earlier to the Ukrainian army, came under attack from the Russian Lancet kamikaze drone. After the drone hit, the ammunition detonation of the installation occurred, these are the first shots of the destruction of this type of MLRS by Lancet drones. Information about the Czech MLRS RM-70 is on the channel.




Footage of an attempt to destroy Russian missiles by Ukrainian soldiers from small arms, the place and date of the shooting of the battle are not reported, the video also shows massive strikes of Russian cruise missiles




On March 15, units of the Ukrainian army made an attempt to break through the Russian defense in the Zaporozhye direction. Reportedly, as a result of the battle, Ukrainian units were forced to retreat, while losing 3 infantry fighting vehicles, 2 tanks and part of the infantry, some episodes of the battle were caught on video.




Footage of repairing a Russian BTR-80 in the field, an armored personnel carrier in Ukraine hit a mine, after which it needed to replace the wheel gear.


 

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This is ridiculous, especially against the background of the Russian echelon with the T-54.
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In a protracted conflict it's better to start spending old stuff sitting in reserve first. Russians still have an estimated 6000+ T72s to spare, and their factories aren't sitting idle. This old crap will likely arm DPR and mercenaries. They should've brought these out from storage much earlier. If AFU can still utilize something like the AMX-10 RCR on the frontlines as a fire support vehicle, I don't see how Russian auxiliaries can't do the same with the T-54.

The current theme seems to be:
Russia uses 50 year old tank > lmao old junk, wooooooo Moskow gonna fall bois :cool1:
Ukraine uses 50 year old tank > chad tankist, super machine, Moskow gonna fall bois :cool1:
 

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How is Russia bringing in T-54s got anything to do with Ukrainian casualties until now..?
My statement still stands.. If UKRAINE ARMY can still fight for another couple of years as a cohesive unit, then it means that UAF have not suffered 250,000 KIA as some pro Russian accounts fantasize..
If UAF collapses within another year, then it means that UAF has suffered catastrophic casualties..
My personal opinion is UAF have not taken catastrophic casualties and can fight for years to come..
It has already been written here that the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Danilov even called the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 120 thousand - the nonsense of a madman. Of course, there is a version that these T-54s are for Syria and African countries, but the captured Russian KS-19s and their technical condition / (if only they shoot) give me great confidence that these tanks will soon be here.
 

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In a protracted conflict it's better to start spending old stuff sitting in reserve first. Russians still have an estimated 6000+ T72s to spare, and their factories aren't sitting idle. This old crap will likely arm DPR and mercenaries. They should've brought these out from storage much earlier. If AFU can still utilize something like the AMX-10 RCR on the frontlines as a fire support vehicle, I don't see how Russian auxiliaries can't do the same with the T-54.

The current theme seems to be:
Russia uses 50 year old tank > lmao old junk, wooooooo Moskow gonna fall bois :cool1:
Ukraine uses 50 year old tank > chad tankist, super machine, Moskow gonna fall bois :cool1:
It has already been said here that according to the Russian Constitution, this is all the Russian army.
AMX-10RCR is not blind, unlike a tank.
 

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In a protracted conflict it's better to start spending old stuff sitting in reserve first. Russians still have an estimated 6000+ T72s to spare, and their factories aren't sitting idle. This old crap will likely arm DPR and mercenaries. They should've brought these out from storage much earlier
There are several problems with this theory. First, it doesnt make sense to spend old stuff first, because you still have to put living people inside and these are limited resource as well, even mercenaries and Donbas people which, as you indicate, Russia sees as disposables. No need to get them needlessly killed in the old junk (that requires larger crew size) if that can be prevented.

Also, there is a logistical point of view - if Russia still had thousands of usable T-72s (125mm gun) at their disposal, they would have no reason to introduce T-62s (115mm gun ) or even T-54/55s (100mm gun), different designs with different ammo size, which has been out of production for decades.
 

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There are several problems with this theory. First, it doesnt make sense to spend old stuff first, because you still have to put living people inside and these are limited resource as well, even mercenaries and Donbas people which, as you indicate, Russia sees as disposables. No need to get them needlessly killed in the old junk (that requires larger crew size) if that can be prevented.

Also, there is a logistical point of view - if Russia still had thousands of usable T-72s (125mm gun) at their disposal, they would have no reason to introduce T-62s (115mm gun ) or even T-54/55s (100mm gun), different designs with different ammo size, which has been out of production for decades.
Russia had 7000-8000 T-72s in mothball reserve right before the war started. They haven't magically disappeared have they ? And please don't say outrageous stuff like they have all been destroyed by a struggling opponent living on foreign aid.
 

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Russia had 7000-8000 T-72s in mothball reserve right before the war started. They haven't magically disappeared have they ? And please don't say outrageous stuff like they have all been destroyed by a struggling opponent living on foreign aid.
Noone of us knows how many T-72s Russia really had before the war and in what condition they were, we didnt count them :) Just pointing out that for a country with 6000 usable T-72s, it is not "logical" to first utilize designs such as T-62 or T-55 with a different barrell size. Are they going to use 50 years old shells or adjust already strained production lines to obsolete 100/115mm calibers?
 

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Noone of us knows how many T-72s Russia really had before the war and in what condition they were, we didnt count them :) Just pointing out that for a country with 6000 usable T-72s, it is not "logical" to first utilize designs such as T-62 or T-55 with a different barrell size. Are they going to use 50 years old shells or adjust already strained production lines to obsolete 100/115mm calibers?
Speak for yourself. You are just pulling shit out of your ass. You are making all sorts of insinuations without facts backing it up. Please stop furthering western propaganda here, especially the polish crap.
 
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Noone of us knows how many T-72s Russia really had before the war and in what condition they were, we didnt count them :) Just pointing out that for a country with 6000 usable T-72s, it is not "logical" to first utilize designs such as T-62 or T-55 with a different barrell size. Are they going to use 50 years old shells or adjust already strained production lines to obsolete 100/115mm calibers?
The war is already a year old, with no apparent end in sight. It's not illogical to utilize old tanks in limited capacity. Since they are fielding these tanks, they have the ammo inventory. As for the supposed condition of T-72s in reserve, they should not be worse off than these older T-55s. It's more strange to me that they haven't brought out these old tanks before. Russian tanks mostly fight IFVs and APCs these days, AFU no longer has a credible tank fleet. The main threats to tanks are now asymmetric stuff like ATGMs. So in this situation even old T-55s with adequate infantry and recon support can take territory fine. Rolling armor hasn't become obsolete and it doesn't take 125mm to pop an M113. So in Russia's view, they can work with these "cheap" options and keep their main stocks from being exhausted. They are in for the long haul, both sides know this.
 

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Btw, "Novorossia Aid Coordination center", which was for years working to support LDPR frontline troops, has recently published pretty sobering evaluation of current Russian capabilities and tactics - and noone could blame these for proUkrainian bias. A pretty long, but worth it, some someone, it could be kinda eye-opening. Judging from the style, it looks like Murz's work.

Firstly, the “shell hunger” did not stop the offensive impulse of the Russian headquarters. Having lost the former power of artillery strikes, the RF Armed Forces, with redoubled zeal, began to exterminate the Donetsk and Luhansk infantry, along with the remnants of armored vehicles, in “assaults” on Ukrainian positions on the front from Maryinka to Kremennaya. The word "assault" instead of careful preparation and organization has become synonymous with "indulgence" for their complete absence. Losses? Well, we have an assault! Did not work out? BUT WE HAVE THE STORM! You just have to do it again! In the same place, in the same way, with the same level of “preparation”. When the “assault infantry” began to run out, artillerymen began to be transferred to this very “assault infantry”, and “bald” tanks, without dynamic protection or MT-LB (lightly armored artillery tractors with a machine gun) were given as armored vehicles. All this put an end to the restoration of the combat capability of the most experienced and motivated units of the RF Armed Forces - 1 and 2 AK NM of the Republics of Donbass. Over the past year, neither the regiments nor the brigades of the NM were taken out for rest, replenishment and retraining, so the quality of ordinary “assault regiments” dropped in places to complete inability to get somewhere from the machine gun, inability to correctly use the group (AGS, LNG, ATGM) and assault (reactive flamethrowers RPO-A "Bumblebee" and RShG) weapons.
 

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It has already been written here that the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Danilov even called the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 120 thousand - the nonsense of a madman. Of course, there is a version that these T-54s are for Syria and African countries, but the captured Russian KS-19s and their technical condition / (if only they shoot) give me great confidence that these tanks will soon be here.
And we don't trust the numbers ukraine is giving out. We are neutral party, so we have higher authority to determine what is propaganda and what is the truth versus two vested parties.
 

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