Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Corvus Splendens

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>Russian forces are making progress in the northeastern residential area of Bakhmut
>Russian forces have fully captured the village of Opytne and entered the southern outskirts of Bakhmut

>Italy and France have sorted out the technical details for the delivery of the SAMP/T air defense battery, it will be delivered to Ukraine in spring
>US announces a $2.2 billion military aid package for Ukraine, which includes GLSDB and additional ammunition for HIMARS. Bloomberg reports that the first deliveries of GLSDB will take about nine months after the US signs the contract.
>Germany to supply 14 Leopard 2 A6 & 88 Leopard 1 tanks

>Wagner troops captured the strategic Ukrainian Doppelfestung of Sakko and Vantsetti across the Bakhmutovka River
>Russian troops have captured the village of Mykolaivka, northwest of Soledar
 

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I meant more of the Americans blindly celebrating jihadis. Same with the Azov. It's a shame that Russia swapped out those guys and they're basically chilling in Turkish prisons.

One of the reasons why I entirely doubt the legitimacy of the DPR. They traded away the people that they were supposed to hang, who had been terrorising them for 8 years lol
Because Russia is losing the war, they had no choice.
 

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nice meme but tweet is fake .

there is a reason this guy keeps getting banned from twitter again and again .
bruh.. you actually trust twitter moderators that have no ulterior motives? Please don't tell me you immediately went for covid vaccinations really fast next. I am assuming the context is the same from another different tweet.


I am not joking, keep an eye on poland.
 

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From Rybar.. Interesting insight in this thread. This grinding approach, unless followed by deep breakthrough gives time for Ukraine to build up reserves.. And Ukraine still has the majority of 3 million men of fighting age available to be drafted.. Like we saw in summer 2022, the slow progress of Russia was justified by saying the grind was a deliberate strategy to finish the AFU.. But, then suddenly Ukraine had built up reserves and they launched a counter offensive that recaptured significant parts of Kharkhov and Kherson oblasts..

 

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From Rybar.. Interesting insight in this thread. This grinding approach, unless followed by deep breakthrough gives time for Ukraine to build up reserves.. And Ukraine still has the majority of 3 million men of fighting age available to be drafted.. Like we saw in summer 2022, the slow progress of Russia was justified by saying the grind was a deliberate strategy to finish the AFU.. But, then suddenly Ukraine had built up reserves and they launched a counter offensive that recaptured significant parts of Kharkhov and Kherson oblasts..

If RuAF start bringing out its SEAD and carpet bombing out in force, then the 3 million men will be cannon fodder as well. Russia still has the edge in artillery. If Ukraine mass those men, they will be locked into place by Russian forces and bombed into smithereens by Russian artillery. Russia is content to trade some territory away if it means killing the men because then Ukrainian society would be fucked as a whole for several generations and be in no position to resist. Ukraine will not be made whole for at least 50-75 years.
 

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Ukraine still has the majority of 3 million men of fighting age available to be drafted..
are they referencing men outside of their country? its not like we had AFU fighting with civilians to get drafted this past month that they are even sending mobilization letters to Ukrainians that have taken refuge outside the country. Ukraine is going to have some willing fighters in this war. I dont know if I should feel sad for you for bringing up very old information again about kherson and kharkiv which might later be contested again.
 

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From Rybar.. Interesting insight in this thread. This grinding approach, unless followed by deep breakthrough gives time for Ukraine to build up reserves.. And Ukraine still has the majority of 3 million men of fighting age available to be drafted.. Like we saw in summer 2022, the slow progress of Russia was justified by saying the grind was a deliberate strategy to finish the AFU.. But, then suddenly Ukraine had built up reserves and they launched a counter offensive that recaptured significant parts of Kharkhov and Kherson oblasts..

Has this Ryber ever learnt the meaning of the word - 'morale'?

More kingdom fell because men were forced into battles as cannon fodders by people sitting in high towers. Perhaps he needs to visit the history book and read about fall of Tsar and rise of the global menace communism.

It takes a special mindset and will power to fight at the front. Those who were able and willing and most fortitude, had already joined armed forces and are either at the front now or has become a number. The so called military age men left to be called up will be unwilling conscripts with low morale and even less ability to fight. Hard time does transform some people into their harder self, but most crumple under stress. Now, you take a random dude, put him in a uniform, show him the right end of the rifle and expect him to fight against the massive brutal assault by a superior force where he knows his chance of survival is lesser than him getting to become a millionaire, how do you think he will fare?

What you people fail to see is that the whole process of grind has beenmuch more beneficial to Russia. Once Russia decided not to push in Kiev - a very wise decision in the hindsight - the option left to Russia is to destroy Ukraine's military capabilities forever. The idiot Zelensky under guidance of his masters in Washington is doing just that. He is forcing able bodied men into frontlines where they get decimated. A gun can be replaced in a year, but a man doesn't get replaced so easily. Now Zelensky is consripting 16 years old kids, which means the Ukraine wouldn't have a unscarred generation or a stable society for decades to come. If the kids are pushed into the fronlines, it will create havoc on their psyche and even if they survive, the damage done to their mind not only will screw them forvever but also the society they will live in.

Ukraine has lost the war. But it is adament about killing itself so thoroughly that nothing worthwhile should survive.
 

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Has this Ryber ever learnt the meaning of the word - 'morale'?

More kingdom fell because men were forced into battles as cannon fodders by people sitting in high towers. Perhaps he needs to visit the history book and read about fall of Tsar and rise of the global menace communism.

It takes a special mindset and will power to fight at the front. Those who were able and willing and most fortitude, had already joined armed forces and are either at the front now or has become a number. The so called military age men left to be called up will be unwilling conscripts with low morale and even less ability to fight. Hard time does transform some people into their harder self, but most crumple under stress. Now, you take a random dude, put him in a uniform, show him the right end of the rifle and expect him to fight against the massive brutal assault by a superior force where he knows his chance of survival is lesser than him getting to become a millionaire, how do you think he will fare?

What you people fail to see is that the whole process of grind has beenmuch more beneficial to Russia. Once Russia decided not to push in Kiev - a very wise decision in the hindsight - the option left to Russia is to destroy Ukraine's military capabilities forever. The idiot Zelensky under guidance of his masters in Washington is doing just that. He is forcing able bodied men into frontlines where they get decimated. A gun can be replaced in a year, but a man doesn't get replaced so easily. Now Zelensky is consripting 16 years old kids, which means the Ukraine wouldn't have a unscarred generation or a stable society for decades to come. If the kids are pushed into the fronlines, it will create havoc on their psyche and even if they survive, the damage done to their mind not only will screw them forvever but also the society they will live in.

Ukraine has lost the war. But it is adament about killing itself so thoroughly that nothing worthwhile should survive.
Attrition works both ways.. The Russian 155th Marine brigade which got hammered in its attack on Vuhledar, was reconstituted with fresh meat, after it got decimated last fall when trying to capture Pavlivka to the south.. So, their effectiveness was not the same..
The 3 million figure I gave is a third of the men of fighting age available to Ukraine.. since, you can't draft all the men for war, as other functions of the economy need to be taken care of.. Historically like in the American Civil war and World War 2 Germany, the losing side continued to fight until it lost a third of its fighting age men..
Russia should build a buffer in southern donetsk and Zaporizye before Ukraine builds up enough reserves and equipment, to threaten the Crimean land bridge..



 

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Attrition works both ways.. The Russian 155th Marine brigade which got hammered in its attack on Vuhledar, was reconstituted with fresh meat, after it got decimated last fall when trying to capture Pavlivka to the south.. So, their effectiveness was not the same..
The 3 million figure I gave is a third of the men of fighting age available to Ukraine.. since, you can't draft all the men for war, as other functions of the economy need to be taken care of.. Historically like in the American Civil war and World War 2 Germany, the losing side continued to fight until it lost a third of its fighting age men..
Russia should build a buffer in southern donetsk and Zaporizye before Ukraine builds up enough reserves and equipment, to threaten the Crimean land bridge..



Most slips on the losses from Ukrainian side have been to the tune of 100000 to 150000.
Of the ~40 million population of Ukraine, only ~11 million are fighting age men.
Its like 1% of their fighting age men (usually the more productive ones).

Russia has seen losses, but not to this extent. They were quick to retreat to save their men instead of holding on to piece of land for satisfying some talking heads ego.

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From https://www.populationpyramid.net/ukraine/
 

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If RuAF start bringing out its SEAD and carpet bombing out in force, then the 3 million men will be cannon fodder as well. Russia still has the edge in artillery. If Ukraine mass those men, they will be locked into place by Russian forces and bombed into smithereens by Russian artillery. Russia is content to trade some territory away if it means killing the men because then Ukrainian society would be fucked as a whole for several generations and be in no position to resist. Ukraine will not be made whole for at least 50-75 years.
I believe the issue is not that they are not bringing out SEAD, it's that they don't have the capability in the first place. Not talking about ordnance or electronics(though that does play a role) I'm talking more about tactics and overall doctrine.

Though I suppose we will see in due time that if they learned anything from this past year or not
 

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Jesus Christ man for the user above, just take the fucking Julian Roepke route its not that hard, my fucking god you have to be actually working for a western intel agency at this point even Arestovich took the fucking hint. The number of tanks being sent to Ukraine depending on time periods as well is a joke compared to the set production the Russians have on armored vehicles. Based on the experiences of Yemen and Syria Wagner has like 20 more ways of ass fucking western tanks than Assads troops or the houthi rebels did and even than they have more hidden capabilities that have not been used yet in this war like the Hermes missiles. I could even out tweet and out telegram your ass if you want to compare destroyed equipment thinking your double post is worth anything. There are still like 500 thousand Russian troops outside of Ukraine's borders and the only ones getting their asses kicked is the AFU by a bunch of convicts as of now whose lives are as meaningless as the Ukrainian civilians being forced by the AFU to fight.
 

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I believe the issue is not that they are not bringing out SEAD, it's that they don't have the capability in the first place. Not talking about ordnance or electronics(though that does play a role) I'm talking more about tactics and overall doctrine.

Though I suppose we will see in due time that if they learned anything from this past year or not
Can you, ylslide and master chief go someplace else where the NSA will pay you guys better than working here overtime? Russians have already stockpiled on western electronics and even the turks are getting bitched at by the west for giving electronics to Russia. there is even a photonic integrated circuit production set for 2024. Just like azeri armenian border conflict artillery gets the job done.
 

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