Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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ovalpiston

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Stalemate as in no further changes from this point onwards, not the changes that have already occured.

As for Ukraine's NATO membership, what is Russia going to do if the membership is approved? Bomb or invade Ukraine?
 

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Both sides have played their cards. There will not be overt NATO intervention, but this shadow boxing will continue for a long time to come!
 

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Stalemate as in no further changes from this point onwards, not the changes that have already occured.

As for Ukraine's NATO membership, what is Russia going to do if the membership is approved? Bomb or invade Ukraine?
Ukraine can’t be admitted into NATO otherwise nato would be involved in this war overtly and officially and Russia is free to attack Poland and Baltic states
 

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‘You should be out of this website. Your purified views are unwelcome.
You say this all the time. Are you the owner of this site?
India has not yet announced official support for Russia's actions, so I will continue to say information that is inconvenient for you.
At the beginning of 2022, we were as far from NATO as Iran was from the destruction of Israel in 1980. Intention and fact are completely different units of measurement.
Japan captured a quarter of Chinese territory, but this did not mean its victory.
No official negotiations - no results of the war.
 

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Ukraine can’t be admitted into NATO otherwise nato would be involved in this war overtly and officially and Russia is free to attack Poland and Baltic states
What would Russia gain by attacking these states when it can barely handle Ukraine?
The major issue in NATO membership is that a state can't be involved in war or border disputes at the time of membership. So Ukraine will have to give up claim on the currently Russian controlled territories to get into NATO. And Russia can still keep attacking other parts by missiles which will put NATO in a bind.

Anyway NATO membership or no membership, Ukraine has all material and resource might of NATO anyway. So unless Ukraine runs out of men, this thing will go on.
 

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Is the US going to force Ukraine into another major offensive? Or are they going to force Ukraine into a defensive posture for the next year or two? If I was the west/nato I would have discouraged Ukraine from that offensive to take Crimea last year. If the US forces another offensive, it would surprise me, but it would show just how much they want to control Crimea and the Black sea.
 

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What would Russia gain by attacking these states when it can barely handle Ukraine?
The major issue in NATO membership is that a state can't be involved in war or border disputes at the time of membership. So Ukraine will have to give up claim on the currently Russian controlled territories to get into NATO. And Russia can still keep attacking other parts by missiles which will put NATO in a bind.

Anyway NATO membership or no membership, Ukraine has all material and resource might of NATO anyway. So unless Ukraine runs out of men, this thing will go on.
It's all part of the narrative. Just look at these 2 advanced google searches. The 1st had 38k results and the 2nd 8k.

"If Russia wins in Ukraine, US adversaries will learn that the United States can be manipulated into abandoning its interests in a winnable fight. Russia cannot achieve its objectives in Ukraine if Ukraine's will to fight persists along with adequate Western support.Dec 22, 2023" Winnable fight?? Now that's a bold lie
 

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You say this all the time. Are you the owner of this site?
India has not yet announced official support for Russia's actions, so I will continue to say information that is inconvenient for you.
At the beginning of 2022, we were as far from NATO as Iran was from the destruction of Israel in 1980. Intention and fact are completely different units of measurement.
Japan captured a quarter of Chinese territory, but this did not mean its victory.
No official negotiations - no results of the war.
‘Don’t you get it thru your head that it is a site for India and not for thick head outsiders. Get lost and do it sooner.
 

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‘Don’t you get it thru your head that it is a site for India and not for thick head outsiders. Get lost and do it sooner.
You will set the rules in your own home! You will shout in a hospital that you are a citizen of India, but not in a public library.
It was Muslims in the Middle Ages who took a tax for having a different faith. It's time for you to go see them.
 
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What would Russia gain by attacking these states when it can barely handle Ukraine?
The major issue in NATO membership is that a state can't be involved in war or border disputes at the time of membership. So Ukraine will have to give up claim on the currently Russian controlled territories to get into NATO. And Russia can still keep attacking other parts by missiles which will put NATO in a bind.

Anyway NATO membership or no membership, Ukraine has all material and resource might of NATO anyway. So unless Ukraine runs out of men, this thing will go on.
russia needs to also secure its north western flanks since NATO at that time made it clear it will get involved in that war. Russia has no choice but to secure that Baltic flank.
 

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Details have become known about how the 74th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of Russia used the remote-controlled robotic platform "Courier" in battles in Ukraine. Previously, we talked about Russian ground-based “Courier” drones and showed how Ukrainian drones attacked them. Technical details in the link to the video in the comments to the video. Now "Courier" is the most famous of the ground-based Russian robotic platforms used in battles in Ukraine. Details in the video.

 

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Weird turtle cage on tanks with jammer module for FPV drones.
If it works, it works.

First they ignore, then they laugh, then they attack, then they copy.

Expect to soon see Ukronazis desperately trying to copy it just like cope cages.
 

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First they ignore, then they laugh, then they attack, then they copy.

Expect to soon see Ukronazis desperately trying to copy it just like cope cages.
So the bob semple is actually the pinnacle of AFV design .
I am sorry new Zealand I was unfamiliar with your game.
 

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Details have become known about how the 74th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade of Russia used the remote-controlled robotic platform "Courier" in battles in Ukraine. Previously, we talked about Russian ground-based “Courier” drones and showed how Ukrainian drones attacked them. Technical details in the link to the video in the comments to the video. Now "Courier" is the most famous of the ground-based Russian robotic platforms used in battles in Ukraine. Details in the video.

Scary at how humans have to face death with such machines. Well getting wiped out from a shell or a missile is no different, but this is new.
I guess the next evolution of this would be air dropping of such robotic platforms from a distance.
 

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@Love Charger You once asked: What is the difference between Ukrainian and Russian languages . I recently read a study - the difference is 33%. Bulgarian and Russian - only 26%. Also Orthodoxy, also Cyrillic. But Bulgaria was never part of Russia and fought against Russia for two WW. Now, too, it is actively producing weapons for Ukraine.
So there is a political emphasis here, but not an ethnic one.
The closest language to Belarusian is Polish. Then Ukrainian - 16% of the difference and Russian only in third place - 24% of the difference. Serbian is closer to Russian (only 20%), but Belarus is an active ally of Russia, and Serbia strives to join NATO.
I, as the child of a Soviet officer, was not obliged to study national languages, and when we moved from Hungary to Donetsk, from 1989 to 1991 I attended Ukrainian language classes only as an elective. However, I was able to master it within this period.
 

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If Ukraine looses war and gives up

The scenario above is currently under internal debate within official circles in NATO countries. Signs indicate that despite America's efforts to bolster Ukraine with an additional $60 billion in military aid, it may result in further casualties for Ukrainians and Russians alike, leading to a Korean War-style stalemate. This outcome would be detrimental, as it would signify Ukraine's loss in the war and indirectly weaken American hegemony over much of Europe.

In hindsight, a misguided suggestion led America to consider opening a new front in Europe to decisively defeat Russia (formerly the Soviet Union). While NATO initially showed enthusiasm, with America providing most of the financial resources and Ukraine contributing manpower under the leadership of President Zelensky, the outcome has been far from promising. Despite early claims of Ukrainian success by Western media, Russian forces have regrouped and made significant gains, including a recent devastating strike on a Ukrainian hotel where Ukrainian senior military officers were meeting, killing 50 or more.

If Ukraine falls, it will not only signify a defeat for America and NATO but also mark the decline of American hegemony globally. A power shift would likely occur in Europe, and China would seize the opportunity to assert dominance in the East, posing threats to various near Pacific nations including Taiwan, Japan and Philippines. President Biden may face criticism for initiating the conflict, highlighting the importance of avoiding unnecessary provocations. Despite repeated pleas from Russia to refrain from integrating Ukraine into NATO, these warnings were disregarded, resulting in catastrophic consequences for the country.
 

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If Ukraine looses war and gives up

The scenario above is currently under internal debate within official circles in NATO countries. Signs indicate that despite America's efforts to bolster Ukraine with an additional $60 billion in military aid, it may result in further casualties for Ukrainians and Russians alike, leading to a Korean War-style stalemate. This outcome would be detrimental, as it would signify Ukraine's loss in the war and indirectly weaken American hegemony over much of Europe.

In hindsight, a misguided suggestion led America to consider opening a new front in Europe to decisively defeat Russia (formerly the Soviet Union). While NATO initially showed enthusiasm, with America providing most of the financial resources and Ukraine contributing manpower under the leadership of President Zelensky, the outcome has been far from promising. Despite early claims of Ukrainian success by Western media, Russian forces have regrouped and made significant gains, including a recent devastating strike on a Ukrainian hotel where Ukrainian senior military officers were meeting, killing 50 or more.

If Ukraine falls, it will not only signify a defeat for America and NATO but also mark the decline of American hegemony globally. A power shift would likely occur in Europe, and China would seize the opportunity to assert dominance in the East, posing threats to various near Pacific nations including Taiwan, Japan and Philippines. President Biden may face criticism for initiating the conflict, highlighting the importance of avoiding unnecessary provocations. Despite repeated pleas from Russia to refrain from integrating Ukraine into NATO, these warnings were disregarded, resulting in catastrophic consequences for the country.
Ukraine is a huge country. IMHO It won't fall.
Russia may realize its objectives by taking most of Donbass etc, but I don't think Russia can take all of Ukraine as it will be too expensive in terms of men and machine leaving Russia weak.
Both will negotiate with Russia keeping the control of what they have taken and Ukraine in return will get to join EU, but not NATO.
 

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