Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Akim

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Oh this rhetoric again. a building is a building . Ukrainians soldiers were recording themselves camping inside a school.
If it is storing ammunition , bomb it. Period.
Yes. And in the maternity hospital of Mariupol there was "Azov". Write a check for tea? Price: MiG-21
 

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How many missiles did Ukraine use to try and shoot them down? Most of those missiles targeted ammo depots, and military bases.
Wow, what a twist 😃 So, suddenly, RuSSia targeted mostly military bases and ammo dumps and not the power grid? You really would rather bite your tongue off than to admit that RuSSia failed at something, don't you? You already forgot what you've been writing here few months ago?
 

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Yes. And in the maternity hospital of Mariupol there was "Azov". Write a check for tea? Price: MiG-21
I heard this One selfie got his whole squad popped in a raid.

Hiding inside schools, using meat shields in Mariopol, ammo depot in maternity hospitals, and now ammo depot in church. Very brave Ukrainians.:clap2:

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I heard this One selfie got his whole squad popped in a raid.

Hiding inside schools, using meat shields in Mariopol, ammo depot in maternity hospitals, and now ammo depot in church. Very brave Ukrainians.:clap2:

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What you don't see is a bombed-out school. There are many schools in Bakhmut. Do you think it stops the Russians?
 

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I heard this One selfie got his whole squad popped in a raid.

Hiding inside schools, using meat shields in Mariopol, ammo depot in maternity hospitals, and now ammo depot in church. Very brave Ukrainians.:clap2:
Well, thats what both sides do, otherwise, its pretty hard to accommodate large number or soldiers in a single village. Remind me, where in Makiivka were staying those hundreds of Russian mobiks popped on the New Year? Or those 60 Chechens hit sleeping in Kairy village in Kherson region in December? :yo:
 

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У меня эмоций через край. Пошли на хуй ебанные твари! Желаю чтоб тебе в дом прилетела ракета!
 

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Well, thats what both sides do, otherwise, its pretty hard to accommodate large number or soldiers in a single village. Remind me, where in Makiivka were staying those hundreds of Russian mobiks popped on the New Year? Or those 60 Chechens hit sleeping in Kairy village in Kherson region in December? :yo:

See i don't care who does what.. it was Akim whining about an orthodox Church getting Kh-59'd

Did the doctors say they could cure you?
The other day, Kh-59 ended up in the dormitory of an Orthodox church. This is probably an important military facility.
У меня эмоций через край. Пошли на хуй ебанные твари! Желаю чтоб тебе в дом прилетела ракета!

Cope. Don't bring useless rhetorics next time :brahmos::troll:
 

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>Ukraine was provided 13 year's production worth of FIM-92 Stinger missiles. A sizeable portion of this stock has ended up in Jordan, alongside crates full of AR-15 rifles and 5.56 ammo.
>Russia has reportedly deported upwards of 260,000 children from Ukraine to Russia. Sources fear these children are being made to become naturalized Russians with a curated ideology.
>Medvedev asks Russians to download pirated movies to make Netflix go bankrupt. :lol:
>Russia building a military base and command center in Mariupol.
>Russian forces have constructed a forward operating base in the AZOM plant in North Bakhmut.

>After the announcement of Russian nukes to be based in Belarus, Zelensky calls on G7 and the EU to take immediate action against "Kremlin's illegal nuclear blackmail". 🤡
>Russia has deployed Bombers and Nuclear missiles in Syria.
>The Kremlin is prioritizing raw materials for the S-500 production line.

>M1A1 delivery might be delayed to September.
 

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Wow, what a twist 😃 So, suddenly, RuSSia targeted mostly military bases and ammo dumps and not the power grid? You really would rather bite your tongue off than to admit that RuSSia failed at something, don't you? You already forgot what you've been writing here few months ago?
Yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't attack the power grid. They also attacked the oil refinery plants once again, and various other targets. I don't think either one of us knows the exact percentage breakdown of what all the targets were. Some weeks they targeted the power grid only, then other weeks the targeted oil and weapon depots. I do know that Ukraine claimed they shot down most of those missile, so they must of used a good percentage of their stock, which in itself means those missiles can no longer target the Russian air force. The Russian's are slowly bleeding the west of their weapons, (by destroying them, and making Ukraine use them up in defense) and there isn't shit they can do about it, that was my main point.
 

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Btw, now that winter is definitely over, how would you evaluate Russian missile campaign targeting Ukrainian power grid with the objective to throw the country into cold and darkness and cause the collapse of Ukrainian rear? Were those 1000 cruise missiles spent well?
Although the attacks on Ukranain power grid and thermal power plants, like strategic bombing in ww2, degraded the ability of Ukraine to project all its potential at the front.. the primary purpose of the bombing campaign which was to irretrievably collapse the Urkanian electricity grid, failed to achieve its objective..
 

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Alexander Mercouris was talking about this article by Kanwal Sibal (Kanwal Sibal is India’s former Foreign Secretary and Ambassador to Russia. Views expressed are personal and exclusive to India Narrative)
Why India should take the Russia-China summit in its stride

The prospects of a joint communiqué emerging from the G 20 summit in September in India are becoming dim. The G20 meeting of the Finance Ministers/Central Bank Governors as well that of the Foreign Ministers ended with the Chair’s summary and not a joint document because no consensus could be reached on how the Ukraine conflict should be reflected in it. The West remains determined to include language condemning Russia in all joint statements whereas Russia, with China’s support, has hardened its position and is no longer willing to accept the language it had agreed to at the G 20 summit at Bali, in part because of India’s constructive diplomacy.

Since Bali the situation on the ground has become more destructive rather than the doors of dialogue and diplomacy being slowly opened. The West’s strategy remains one of arming and financially aiding Ukraine not only to sustain its resistance but to enable it to launch a counter offensive to recover enough of the Russian annexed territory to force Russia to come to the negotiating table. Ukraine’s appeals, backed vociferously by Poland and the Baltic states, for more lethal arms, including artillery, tanks and now fighter aircraft, have found increasing support. In the background of the expanding militarisation of the conflict in the months after Bali, it is not surprising that positions on both sides have become harder. Ukraine’s maximalist position- recovery of all annexed territories, including Crimea, reparations by Russia and war crimes trials of Russians- has public support of western policy makers. The US is opposed to any cease fire at the stage because it will be, in its view, to Russia’s advantage and will confirm a loss of Ukrainian territory.

No wonder, with their strengthened strategic ties, both Russia and China opposed the Bali summit formulation on Ukraine at the G 20 meetings in India. India was put in an invidious situation, because if it excluded any reference to Ukraine in its summary the West would have construed it as Russia-leaning, and not a neutral position. In the event, India included in its Chair’s summary the Bali summit language that Russia, supported by China, was unwilling to accept, reasoning no doubt that what was agreed at the summit level could not be disowned at a lower diplomatic level. This was the only choice India had to maintain a “middle ground” position.

US Secretary of State has warned that at the New Delhi G 20 summit the West will not relent on its demand to condemn Russia. He foresees the G20 summit failing to issue a joint statement because of Russian and Chinese opposition, though that, in his view, will not lead to the collapse of the G 20 process as there will be agreement on a whole host of other issues. This is being unduly sanguine, as a failure at the summit level will expose the limitations of G 20 format to deal with various pressing issues of development, financial stability, economic growth, climate change and the like that the international community faces. Other than this, if one of the objectives of the G20 is reviving multilateralism, the divisions within the G 20 between the G 7 and Russia and China in particular will in fact deal a further blow to multilateralism, as a format larger than the UN Security Council without any veto provisions would also have proved ineffective.

If the goal of the West is to isolate Russia, that is not being achieved. Russian diplomacy in Africa and West Asia is active. Russia has just organised a Russia- Africa parliamentary conference in advance of the Russia-Africa summit in July 2023. Israel is being cautious in not aligning fully with the West’s position.Russia’s role in Central Asia is unaffected. The SCO processes are proceeding uninterruptedly, with the SCO summit to take place in India later this year. India is maintaining its close ties with Russia, with Minister Jaishankar stressing recently their steadiness over the yeas and their current economic expansion. Russia’s ties with China are being strategically consolidated further.
 

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Alexander Mercouris was talking about this article by Kanwal Sibal (Kanwal Sibal is India’s former Foreign Secretary and Ambassador to Russia. Views expressed are personal and exclusive to India Narrative)
Why India should take the Russia-China summit in its stride

The prospects of a joint communiqué emerging from the G 20 summit in September in India are becoming dim. The G20 meeting of the Finance Ministers/Central Bank Governors as well that of the Foreign Ministers ended with the Chair’s summary and not a joint document because no consensus could be reached on how the Ukraine conflict should be reflected in it. The West remains determined to include language condemning Russia in all joint statements whereas Russia, with China’s support, has hardened its position and is no longer willing to accept the language it had agreed to at the G 20 summit at Bali, in part because of India’s constructive diplomacy.

Since Bali the situation on the ground has become more destructive rather than the doors of dialogue and diplomacy being slowly opened. The West’s strategy remains one of arming and financially aiding Ukraine not only to sustain its resistance but to enable it to launch a counter offensive to recover enough of the Russian annexed territory to force Russia to come to the negotiating table. Ukraine’s appeals, backed vociferously by Poland and the Baltic states, for more lethal arms, including artillery, tanks and now fighter aircraft, have found increasing support. In the background of the expanding militarisation of the conflict in the months after Bali, it is not surprising that positions on both sides have become harder. Ukraine’s maximalist position- recovery of all annexed territories, including Crimea, reparations by Russia and war crimes trials of Russians- has public support of western policy makers. The US is opposed to any cease fire at the stage because it will be, in its view, to Russia’s advantage and will confirm a loss of Ukrainian territory.

No wonder, with their strengthened strategic ties, both Russia and China opposed the Bali summit formulation on Ukraine at the G 20 meetings in India. India was put in an invidious situation, because if it excluded any reference to Ukraine in its summary the West would have construed it as Russia-leaning, and not a neutral position. In the event, India included in its Chair’s summary the Bali summit language that Russia, supported by China, was unwilling to accept, reasoning no doubt that what was agreed at the summit level could not be disowned at a lower diplomatic level. This was the only choice India had to maintain a “middle ground” position.

US Secretary of State has warned that at the New Delhi G 20 summit the West will not relent on its demand to condemn Russia. He foresees the G20 summit failing to issue a joint statement because of Russian and Chinese opposition, though that, in his view, will not lead to the collapse of the G 20 process as there will be agreement on a whole host of other issues. This is being unduly sanguine, as a failure at the summit level will expose the limitations of G 20 format to deal with various pressing issues of development, financial stability, economic growth, climate change and the like that the international community faces. Other than this, if one of the objectives of the G20 is reviving multilateralism, the divisions within the G 20 between the G 7 and Russia and China in particular will in fact deal a further blow to multilateralism, as a format larger than the UN Security Council without any veto provisions would also have proved ineffective.

If the goal of the West is to isolate Russia, that is not being achieved. Russian diplomacy in Africa and West Asia is active. Russia has just organised a Russia- Africa parliamentary conference in advance of the Russia-Africa summit in July 2023. Israel is being cautious in not aligning fully with the West’s position.Russia’s role in Central Asia is unaffected. The SCO processes are proceeding uninterruptedly, with the SCO summit to take place in India later this year. India is maintaining its close ties with Russia, with Minister Jaishankar stressing recently their steadiness over the yeas and their current economic expansion. Russia’s ties with China are being strategically consolidated further.
His analysis of this article is interesting. He start talking about it at the 1 hour 7 min. mark.
 

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Although the attacks on Ukranain power grid and thermal power plants, like strategic bombing in ww2, degraded the ability of Ukraine to project all its potential at the front.. the primary purpose of the bombing campaign which was to irretrievably collapse the Urkanian electricity grid, failed to achieve its objective..
Is the Ukraine NASA night light picture back to normal?
 

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