Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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indiatester

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This Man's Twitter Account has a Lot of Interesting Updates

Basically Ukraine is loosing a lot of Men and Western Equipment won't make any difference

Ukraine's top brass is expending the new and untrained recruits to bog down Russia till their supposed spring offensive.
This I guess is their only option left.

If they don't throw so many soldiers, Russian armed forces will walk over making any further wins as tiny recoveries.
With this strategy, they have hope of recovering back lost territory.

However, if their spring offensive is not effective, they won't be able to hold back Russia any more.
 

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Do you have evidence?
Yes, sure. "Vant" is actively used by both parties. Although the main APFSDS is Mango and Zakolka. But APFSDS are rarely used. 2/3 ammo rack is HEI.
Depleted uranium is just a metal.
 

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There are several problems with this theory. First, it doesnt make sense to spend old stuff first, because you still have to put living people inside and these are limited resource as well, even mercenaries and Donbas people which, as you indicate, Russia sees as disposables. No need to get them needlessly killed in the old junk (that requires larger crew size) if that can be prevented.

Also, there is a logistical point of view - if Russia still had thousands of usable T-72s (125mm gun) at their disposal, they would have no reason to introduce T-62s (115mm gun ) or even T-54/55s (100mm gun), different designs with different ammo size, which has been out of production for decades.
If both are adequate, it always makes more sense to use up old stuff that has ceased production and therefore, servicing requires cannibalisation, than use the newer stuff, that is currently under production.
Its the exact same reason NATO is donating old soviet era planes & tanks first and not the F-16s and Eurofighters right off the bat.

And it makes doubly more sense to use up old stuff with old out-of-production ammo, as these ammos are declining in service life. There are moreT-54 shells today than there will be in 10 years. And there will be more in 10 years than in 20. This is unavoidable consequentiality of degradation of ammunition and being out of production type of ammunition.
Ergo, it makes more sense to use up these ammunition NOW than wait further with it.

This war, is a 'use up old stuff and replenish with newer stuff' for both sides, so no point trying to make a typical european propaganda double standard case of 'when russians do it, its coz they ran outta new stuff, but when we do it, its coz we are offloading our old stuff' nonsense.
 

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IDN if this video is old or new, but there must be some solid ammo crates or explosive charges were it that truck!! that is a huge fireball!!!

add edit-
The troop from russia must be high on something!!!
shooting atgm from confined place!!
 

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Yes, sure. "Vant" is actively used by both parties. Although the main APFSDS is Mango and Zakolka. But APFSDS are rarely used. 2/3 ammo rack is HEI.
Depleted uranium is just a metal.
He asked for evidence, not for your verbal diarrhoea.

Depleted Uranium is a radioactive fissile material which needs to keep in metal containers underground. If it was safe metal then many stupid westerners would have been using it as ornaments/Jewellery.
 

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Yes, sure. "Vant" is actively used by both parties. Although the main APFSDS is Mango and Zakolka. But APFSDS are rarely used. 2/3 ammo rack is HEI.
Depleted uranium is just a metal.
Are you King James that we believe your words as gospel? Go get more concrete evidence. Some thing other than pulling stuff our of your ass.
 

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If both are adequate, it always makes more sense to use up old stuff that has ceased production and therefore, servicing requires cannibalisation, than use the newer stuff, that is currently under production.
Its the exact same reason NATO is donating old soviet era planes & tanks first and not the F-16s and Eurofighters right off the bat.

And it makes doubly more sense to use up old stuff with old out-of-production ammo, as these ammos are declining in service life. There are moreT-54 shells today than there will be in 10 years. And there will be more in 10 years than in 20. This is unavoidable consequentiality of degradation of ammunition and being out of production type of ammunition.
Ergo, it makes more sense to use up these ammunition NOW than wait further with it.

This war, is a 'use up old stuff and replenish with newer stuff' for both sides, so no point trying to make a typical european propaganda double standard case of 'when russians do it, its coz they ran outta new stuff, but when we do it, its coz we are offloading our old stuff' nonsense.
It makes more sense because it is a battle of attrition and set piece battles. Very little maneuvering is taking place so you might as well use the older models and preserve your modern tanks for the eventual fight against NATO.
 

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It makes more sense because it is a battle of attrition and set piece battles. Very little maneuvering is taking place so you might as well use the older models and preserve your modern tanks for the eventual fight against NATO.
Just don't forget to invite NATO to the war.:pound:
 

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Yes, sure. "Vant" is actively used by both parties. Although the main APFSDS is Mango and Zakolka. But APFSDS are rarely used. 2/3 ammo rack is HEI.
Depleted uranium is just a metal.
Couldn't find any article that talks about Russia using 3BM32 vant DU round in Ukraine.
Snivets-1 is tungsten penetrator.. Snivets-2 or Vaccum is depleted uranium. Anyway Snivets 2 is overkill..

Depleted uranium rounds are known to have caused increased incidence of cancer in Iraq and Serbia..
 

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It makes more sense because it is a battle of attrition and set piece battles. Very little maneuvering is taking place so you might as well use the older models and preserve your modern tanks for the eventual fight against NATO.
Then why Russia used thousands of T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanka in the war ? They could have started with T-54 IN 2022,then T-62, and preserved T-72B3 and T-90 BVM to fight against NATO..
Past 8 months has been set piece battles, why bring out T-54 now? RUSSIA could have brought out T-34 and T-54 8 months ago.. The best tanks that Russia has/had in significant numbers are T-72B3
 

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Then why Russia used thousands of T-72B3 and T-80BVM tanka in the war ? They could have started with T-54 IN 2022,then T-62, and preserved T-72B3 and T-90 BVM to fight against NATO..
You are talking about hindsight. Once the picture became fully known and that there wasn't gonna be much manuevering and it would be a long drawn out battle, hence the move to change. You are allowed to adapt to changing conditions on the battlefield, you know?
 

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You are talking about hindsight. Once the picture became fully known and that there wasn't gonna be much manuevering and it would be a long drawn out battle, hence the move to change. You are allowed to adapt to changing conditions on the battlefield, you know?
Past 8 months has been set piece battles, and attrition. There has not been much manuevering. Why bring out T-54 now? RUSSIA could have brought out T-34 and T-54 8 months ago.. The best tanks that Russia has/had in significant numbers ( thousands) are T-72B3.
The notion that Russia is saving its best tanks for NATO is absurd..

It doesn't matter if you have only 2 dozen of bestest Armata.. 2000 T-72B3 are preferable anyway.. and that has been the Russian Army philosophy.. And Russia has already lost a lot of T-72B3s..
 
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Do you want to lie down and relax? Your wife will misunderstand you
Is that your greeting line towards your customers, especially those military recruiters? Is that how you stay behind not fighting on the front? :truestory:

You may want to check in with your gynecologist for a health check up. Those visits can have a health effect, you know?
 
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Past 8 months has been set piece battles, and attrition. There has not been much manuevering. Why bring out T-54 now? RUSSIA could have brought out T-34 and T-54 8 months ago.. The best tanks that Russia has/had in significant numbers l( thousands) are T-72B3.
The notion that Russia is saving its best tanks for NATO is absurd..
Again talking about hindsight. They had hopes for manuevering back then. Takes a while to make some changes to the tactics and strategy.
 

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