Russia Ukraine War 2022

[Anirbann Datta]

Why that should be a red line? Both Mariupol and Melitopol are Ukrainian cities that Russia occupied last year, so Russian soldiers around are perfectly valid targets. If Russian soldiers don´t like being attacked there, they know where to go. Americans have been pretty strict about targeting of their rockets, they are not used against internationally recognized Russian territory, even though there must be many juicy targets in Belgorod (we have yet to see how they see Crimea once UKR gets longer-range rockets), but any Russian target in the Ukraine is a fair game.

SIR,
One does not fight a war on IF/ BUT/ perhaps or possibility!!!!
You are fighting a war with weapons supplied on mercy of US/ NATO, the moment they think and realise there is no more fruit in supply any more economically/ strategically/ politely -- just like Vietnam , iraq , seria , libya, sudan, yemen..... laura laaashun...... Think what waits next!!! ( check old videos, russians did show extreeeeem restrain in choosing target, but with days passing they are also becoming ruthless just like their adversary, as it wasn't shown any mercy even to her soldiers as pows(unofficiallY))
US is constantly poking Russia more than Ukraine itself!! that makes this war as a war of proxy of US toward Russia--- That we 'other' world except west are observing from 2nd month of the conflict. ( check my 8 month old observation- it was same as like now.)

All it needed for US and NATO to affirm a 'NO' than 'not now or may be in future tone.

 

[chalochum]

For folks, catching up on this thread which is now moving at a pace...can someone summarize the developments and whats going to be the potential outcome/excitement ?

 

[Anirbann Datta]

For folks, catching up on this thread which is now moving at a pace...can someone summarize the developments and whats going to be the potential outcome/excitement ?

want in a nutshell---
here you go---- all explained in a single go.....

 

[ww2historian]

Why that should be a red line? Both Mariupol and Melitopol are Ukrainian cities that Russia occupied last year, so Russian soldiers around are perfectly valid targets. If Russian soldiers don´t like being attacked there, they know where to go. Americans have been pretty strict about targeting of their rockets, they are not used against internationally recognized Russian territory, even though there must be many juicy targets in Belgorod (we have yet to see how they see Crimea once UKR gets longer-range rockets), but any Russian target in the Ukraine is a fair game.

Russia told the west that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line. The west basically didn't agree to those terms, and look what happened. Let Ukraine cross another red line. IMO a offensive towards either of those cities will end in a total disaster. I agree with you, Ukraine is within their right to target any Russian city including Moscow. I say go for it.

 

[KurtisBrian]

quit BS-ing around. Russian athletes are not allowed to compete outright ( such as Wimbledon) or cannot use their national flags, Russian citizens have had their assets seized and frozen in the west willy nilly.
So i ask again, why ?

probably because as Russian citizens they are assets and servants, willing or not, of Russia and thus a threat to Swiss/Vatican/Tyrol banks, NATO, the EU, US.... and everyone else who profits from their system. Some Indians sell services and drugs. Those ones are profiting too. Maybe Russian citizens don't own those assets, perhaps they bought them with stolen money or money borrowed from a foreign bank.
Who knows. Personally, I am not so concerned that yachts of Russian billionaires are being seized. I prefer to complain about Taoism, it's banking system and occult cabalism.

Not easy being an enemy of the state and hated by the Taoists.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

probably because as Russian citizens they are assets and servants, willing or not, of Russia and thus a threat to Swiss/Vatican/Tyrol banks, NATO, the EU, US.... and everyone else who profits from their system. Some Indians sell services and drugs. Those ones are profiting too. Maybe Russian citizens don't own those assets, perhaps they bought them with stolen money or money borrowed from a foreign bank.
Who knows. Personally, I am not so concerned that yachts of Russian billionaires are being seized. I prefer to complain about Taoism, it's banking system and occult cabalism.

Not easy being an enemy of the state and hated by the Taoists.

So then your argument that we can blame the people for electing in a democracy falls apart - since you are justifying how you can blame people in autocracy itself. Ergo, if you can blame people in an autocracy for their government's actions, then in a democracy we can blame them EVEN MORE. Ergo, it should be okay to shoot Canadians and Americans dead due to the actions of their government by a foreign party.

You hate Daoists ? What kind of a fascist hates Daoists ? They are literally the most 'take it or leave it' blaze ideology on the planet, who've done far less harm than any western ideology in history of ideologies.

 

[bhramos]

Why do Ukranians do this to their own? Bizarre..

 

[bhramos]

Hunter Biden's laptop's censored videos

 

[KurtisBrian]

So then your argument that we can blame the people for electing in a democracy falls apart - since you are justifying how you can blame people in autocracy itself. Ergo, if you can blame people in an autocracy for their government's actions, then in a democracy we can blame them EVEN MORE. Ergo, it should be okay to shoot Canadians and Americans dead due to the actions of their government by a foreign party.

You hate Daoists ? What kind of a fascist hates Daoists ? They are literally the most 'take it or leave it' blaze ideology on the planet, who've done far less harm than any western ideology in history of ideologies.

They are not shooting Russian civilians dead. They are not bombing/destroying Russian cities of civilians.
Russians are fighting a war, killing Ukrainians and destroying cities in the Ukraine. Why?

Because Russians feel they OWN that land and BUILT and OWN those cities.
That means Russians feel foreigners own NOTHING. Russia and Russians own. Paid for with Russian rubles.

Like that indebted British/German/Polish dairy farmer, on youtube, complaining to Putin about milk prices. Response, "came for a Russian wife." or something like that.
Viewed as a foreigner who came to take from Russians.

Putin Russia lover, don't complain as it becomes similar in the "West"/Canada.
Russian victory = means increase in militarism, state control and state ownership. You are the one who wants a socialist victory. You must be the fascist. Fascists don't like liberal thought and sure as heck don't like foreigners.

I said Taoist. You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word so you use a different spelling.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

They are not shooting Russian civilians dead. They are not bombing/destroying Russian cities of civilians.
Russians are fighting a war, killing Ukrainians and destroying cities in the Ukraine. Why?

Because Ukraine sided with their enemies, NATO. thats why.

Because Russians feel they OWN that land and BUILT and OWN those cities.
That means Russians feel foreigners own NOTHING. Russia and Russians own. Paid for with Russian rubles.

Nope. Its the Cuban missile crisis in reverse. The same reason USA threatened to nuke Cuba.

Like that indebted British/German/Polish dairy farmer, on youtube, complaining to Putin about milk prices. Response, "came for a Russian wife." or something like that.
Viewed as a foreigner who came to take from Russians.

Putin Russia lover, don't complain as it becomes similar in the "West"/Canada.
Russian victory = means increase in militarism, state control and state ownership. You are the one who wants a socialist victory. You must be the fascist. Fascists don't like liberal thought and sure as heck don't like foreigners.

Russian victory = multipolarity = weakening of NATO = weakening of the biggest genocidal group of nations on the planet currently. The body count of Iraq + libya + Afghanistan is higher than any other. So Russian victory = good.
Its just that simple.

The only fascist here is the west, who has banned media that does not peddle western propaganda. So f*ck the west and its warmongering ways. West is the biggest killer of innocent civilians in the last 50 years. So f*ck your fascism.

And as i said, if its okay to take property from Russian citizens because they are accessories to the Russian govt, despite Russia not being a democracy and these Russian citizens having less culpability for their government's actions than western citizens, then its okay to shoot western citizens dead for what their govt has done in Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya.
The logic to this can be easily proven mathematically.

And it won't become the same in Canada, because Canada and Australia are rapidly Asian-ising. I am sure you are aware that in about 20-30 years, Asians will be majority in Canada and Australia. And when that happens, we will make Canada leave NATO and western racist, genocidal cultural ways.

Tick tock, says the demographic clock.

PS: Russia is less socialist than Canada is. This isnt the 1980s or USSR we are talking of, Russia is closer to USA in its economic & social systems than Canada is, ignorant hillbilly. You still haven't explained why on earth would any rational person hate Daoists. Daoist is the more phonetically correct spelling. Its Daoism, not Taoism, westoid. We are not inclined to use your corruptions of native speech or have you not learnt anything from recent Canadian revivalism of native tongues and spellings ?

 

[Immanuel]

Hunter Biden's laptop's censored videos

Where's Hunter?
Busy hunting for syphilis

 

[Blood+]

probably because as Russian citizens they are assets and servants, willing or not, of Russia and thus a threat to Swiss/Vatican/Tyrol banks, NATO, the EU, US.... and everyone else who profits from their system. Some Indians sell services and drugs. Those ones are profiting too. Maybe Russian citizens don't own those assets, perhaps they bought them with stolen money or money borrowed from a foreign bank.
Who knows. Personally, I am not so concerned that yachts of Russian billionaires are being seized. I prefer to complain about Taoism, it's banking system and occult cabalism.

Not easy being an enemy of the state and hated by the Taoists.

That's one helluva mental gymnastic right there.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Because Ukraine sided with their enemies, NATO. thats why.



Nope. Its the Cuban missile crisis in reverse. The same reason USA threatened to nuke Cuba.


Russian victory = multipolarity = weakening of NATO = weakening of the biggest genocidal group of nations on the planet currently. The body count of Iraq + libya + Afghanistan is higher than any other. So Russian victory = good.
Its just that simple.

The only fascist here is the west, who has banned media that does not peddle western propaganda. So f*ck the west and its warmongering ways. West is the biggest killer of innocent civilians in the last 50 years. So f*ck your fascism.

And as i said, if its okay to take property from Russian citizens because they are accessories to the Russian govt, despite Russia not being a democracy and these Russian citizens having less culpability for their government's actions than western citizens, then its okay to shoot western citizens dead for what their govt has done in Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya.
The logic to this can be easily proven mathematically.

And it won't become the same in Canada, because Canada and Australia are rapidly Asian-ising. I am sure you are aware that in about 20-30 years, Asians will be majority in Canada and Australia. And when that happens, we will make Canada leave NATO and western racist, genocidal cultural ways.

Tick tock, says the demographic clock.

PS: Russia is less socialist than Canada is. This isnt the 1980s or USSR we are talking of, Russia is closer to USA in its economic & social systems than Canada is, ignorant hillbilly.

Russia doesn't even have a basic pricing mechanism. So NO Russia is NOT like the USA. Since they don't understand costs and pricing they are socialists.
I already explained that Russians must have bought using money of others or been indebted to a foreign bank.

tick tock?
Asians are NOT homogeneous. Chinese, East Asians don't much get along with Indians. Pakistanis don't get along with Indians. Hindus and Muslims don't get along. Africans have lots of tribal/state conflict. Once Asians all arrive here their conflicts will just continue. They are NOT THE SAME. Don't have the same beliefs. They cannot get along.

Chinese man killed several Chinese in Half Moon Bay.
Vietnamese man killed people at a Lunar new year party so probably Asians.
Africans attacked LA Korea Town in Rodney King riots.

leave NATO? Why would they do that? They would just add their nations to NATO and have a bigger umbrella of protection.

why do you leave out Russia and the Sikhs for invasions of Afghanistan? OH right your rants have nothing to do with wars. It is only about you trying to find a way to profit, obtain the wealth and money of others who actually created something. Probably descended from foreigners who migrated to India to live off of Indians.

Blah blah blah

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Russia doesn't even have a basic pricing mechanism. So NO Russia is NOT like the USA. Since they don't understand costs and pricing they are socialists.
I already explained that Russians must have bought using money of others or been indebted to a foreign bank.

You know very little about Russia it seems. They do have a basic pricing mechanism that is open market, with usual amount of govt interference & subsidies. They are less socialist than Canada, owing to having less govt. control over various sectors as Canada does, such as healthcare & education

tick tock?
Asians are NOT homogeneous. Chinese, East Asians don't much get along with Indians. Pakistanis don't get along with Indians. Hindus and Muslims don't get along. Africans have lots of tribal/state conflict. Once Asians all arrive here their conflicts will just continue. They are NOT THE SAME. Don't have the same beliefs. They cannot get along.

Euros are not homogenous either and it didnt prevent Canada to be a western nation. Well, we will turn it into an Eastern nation in our lifetime.
Btw, most east asians get along just fine with Indians due to us being essentially the SAME ideological-ethical block ( Dharmic, predicated on Buddhist-Hindu-Daoist-Shinto common core) and even the Chinese get along with us just fine outside of politics.
Our conflicts will continue in the same vein as the European conflicts continue in Canada due to European immigration. It doesn't prevent Canada from being overall European in flavour, which we will change to overall Asian in flavour. And no shit Hindus and muslims don't get along. No one gets along with abrahamic barbarians - the christians and muslims- who are barbaric enough to genocide their own sects, something NO OTHER RELIGION EVER DOES.

Chinese man killed several Chinese in Half Moon Bay.
Vietnamese man killed people at a Lunar new year party so probably Asians.
Africans attacked LA Korea Town in Rodney King riots.

Yes, we never claimed to be crime free. Just way less criminal than westerners, as our crime stats show.

leave NATO? Why would they do that? They would just add their nations to NATO and have a bigger umbrella of protection.

Because USA is our biggest enemy nation historically, currently and in future. We are to USA what Finland is to Russia. And NATO is the biggest genocidal, warmongering entity TODAY. That is why.

why do you leave out Russia and the Sikhs for invasions of Afghanistan? OH right your rants have nothing to do with wars. It is only about you trying to find a way to profit, obtain the wealth and money of others who actually created something. Probably descended from foreigners who migrated to India to live off of Indians.

Because Sikhs didn't invade Afghanistan & their wars with Afghanistan happened almost TWO CENTURIES ago. Did you forget to read and skip the part of ' in the LAST FIFTY YEARS' ? Obviously i care about who the biggest bad guy is TODAY than 200 years ago.

And Russia is not excluded, they have killed less civilians than westoid scum have over the last 50 years. So they are lesser of the two evils.


I asked you to explain your irrational hatred of Daoists. You are yet to explain.

 

[KurtisBrian]

I asked you to explain your irrational hatred of Daoists. You are yet to explain.

read your own comments. Spell the word correctly. Read your own comments again. try to gain a tiny bit of comprehension. If you can you might finally understand that I have already explained and that it is you who agree with ME!

So quick and smart yet completely wrong.

Romans and Greeks brought genocide and plunder. Indo-European Germans brought a long dark ages and wars upon wars. You ready for 1000 years of chaos? But even after a 1000 years who among you can stop the fighting? Hindus haven't. Muslims haven't. Buddhists haven't. Chinese Communists haven't....... Who? haha
tick tock indeed.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

read your own comments. Spell the word correctly. Read your own comments again. try to gain a tiny bit of comprehension. If you can you might finally understand that I have already explained and that it is you who agree with ME!

I have spelled the word correctly. its DAOISM as the Chinese spell it. Since its THEIR word, THEIR spelling wins over westoid corrupted spelling. Clear ?

So quick and smart yet completely wrong.

Then feel free to demonstrate such.

Romans and Greeks brought genocide and plunder. Indo-European Germans brought a long dark ages and wars upon wars. You ready for 1000 years of chaos? But even after a 1000 years who among you can stop the fighting? Hindus haven't. Muslims haven't. Buddhists haven't. Chinese Communists haven't....... Who? haha
tick tock indeed.

Yes. We know how westoids are a bunch of slaver genocidal barbarians. Over 70% of all known wars have happened in that barbarian continent called Europe, which has given us two world wars and the biggest genocidal alliance in the world today(NATO). We don't claim to be perfect- we just claim to be BETTER than westoids culturally and in ethics. Which is why we are ahead of westoids in western countries in every single good benchmark known to man.
And as i said, thanks to Asianisation of Canada, Canada will become an eastern nation in less than 40 years and we shall take it outside the Euro barbarian orbit. And civilise your children while we are at it.
Tick tock indeed.

 

[ww2historian]

Russia doesn't even have a basic pricing mechanism. So NO Russia is NOT like the USA. Since they don't understand costs and pricing they are socialists.
I already explained that Russians must have bought using money of others or been indebted to a foreign bank.

tick tock?
Asians are NOT homogeneous. Chinese, East Asians don't much get along with Indians. Pakistanis don't get along with Indians. Hindus and Muslims don't get along. Africans have lots of tribal/state conflict. Once Asians all arrive here their conflicts will just continue. They are NOT THE SAME. Don't have the same beliefs. They cannot get along.

Chinese man killed several Chinese in Half Moon Bay.
Vietnamese man killed people at a Lunar new year party so probably Asians.
Africans attacked LA Korea Town in Rodney King riots.

leave NATO? Why would they do that? They would just add their nations to NATO and have a bigger umbrella of protection.

why do you leave out Russia and the Sikhs for invasions of Afghanistan? OH right your rants have nothing to do with wars. It is only about you trying to find a way to profit, obtain the wealth and money of others who actually created something. Probably descended from foreigners who migrated to India to live off of Indians.

Blah blah blah

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[KurtisBrian]

I have spelled the word correctly. its DAOISM as the Chinese spell it. Since its THEIR word, THEIR spelling wins over westoid corrupted spelling. Clear ?

NO. Taoism is an English word. Write it in Chinese marks and you will have their word. Clear?

I don't understand Chinese marks nor Sanskrit. I do understand English. I understand religions.

Yes. We know how westoids are a bunch of slaver genocidal barbarians. Over 70% of all known wars have happened in that barbarian continent called Europe, which has given us two world wars and the biggest genocidal alliance in the world today(NATO). We don't claim to be perfect- we just claim to be BETTER than westoids culturally and in ethics. Which is why we are ahead of westoids in western countries in every single good benchmark known to man.

YES! I too wish those Germanics, Romans and Greeks had all gone to India. They could have looted, murdered, enslaved Indians for 2500 years instead of the people of Europe.
So hurry up rush over here and to Europe so you can live with the insane hyper violent murderous barbarians and highly advanced genocidal killers. Must be a reason that most immigrants huddle in together in cities.

 

[RocketMan]

France is not a friend. Never was, never will be. We are not enemies or competitors, hence, we can do business together. We have little to no converging interests, outside of nebulous 'islamic terrorosm issues' and weapons trade. Even then, as far as the former goes, we hardly have any convergence in action, since we face islamic terrorism from vastly different sources: ours is home grown & pakistan sponsored, theirs is home grown and imported from west africa. And as far as weapons go, France has a maximum 15-25 year window to sell us major stuff, before India pulls a China and becomes self sufficient in most capital weapons assets.

And once that happens, France and India will have very little convergence in goals.
The reason for this, is simple: once all is said and done, France is NOT an independent player in internatonal politics: its a dog of Murrica. Sure, its the least trained dog & most likely to veer outta Yankee agenda, but its still a NATO dog of the yankees, as Ukraine war is making it abundantly clear.
And yankees are our 2nd biggest adversary, slated to be our biggest adversary in the future, as they view us as their clear-cut competition for leader of the democratic world, which is why US will pull out all stops to dismember India and keep it chaotic. This is where its poodles- UK and Germany ( the best trained yankee poodles) and France ( the poodle with a glitch in the matrix) will come in handy.

Effectively, we only have ONE long term friend, with whom we have zero clash of goals & agenda, who is an independent pole of power and has proven to be a long term ally/friend/well wisher of India : Russia.

And as such, France has precious little to offer to India,outside of military tech.

In my opinion, we should treat France EXACTLY the same way we treat Israel : a business transaction partner with some coordination against Islamist terrorism, but steer well clear of their geopolitics and guard against their meddling in Indian affairs.

France is a friend.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

NO. Taoism is an English word. Write it in Chinese marks and you will have their word. Clear?

No. Taoism is a CHINESE word. Writing it in Roman script doesn't make it an English word, anymore than writing 'steak' in Devnagari or Bengali script makes it a Hindi or Bengali word. Since you are a Canadian, you will understand the primacy of native words spelled the way the natives of the language does. We do it with first nations' words in Canada, so you can set your racism aside for the Chinese and do it for the Chinese too.

So we will go with Chinese spelling of it.

I don't understand Chinese marks nor Sanskrit. I do understand English. I understand religions.

You understand jack shit of the above - be it Chinese, Indic scripts or religions.

YES! I too wish those Germanics, Romans and Greeks had all gone to India. They could have looted, murdered, enslaved Indians for 2500 years instead of the people of Europe.

LMAO. These barbarians ARE the people of Europe. They looted India allright- thats the entire reason Canada exists - you want me to show you British records on how BEIC loot funded the Hudson's Bay corp and colonisation effort in Canada ?

So hurry up rush over here and to Europe so you can live with the insane hyper violent murderous barbarians and highly advanced genocidal killers. Must be a reason that most immigrants huddle in together in cities.

We huddle together in cities is because cities is where the economy is at and since we are far more qualified and capable than you, we out-compete you in the cities. There is jack $hit to do in the boonies of Canada - except be a cuck or a religious nutbar and both types are bored alcoholic druggie losers.

Why would we go to Europe ? i am quite happy colonising & civilising Canada and taking it out of western orbit.