Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Blademaster

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As if that would make Russia retreat from captured territories.. As if Macron's or Biden's or even Putin's security guarantees are worth sh*t. Only situation on the ground matters. The fact remains that with or without NATO membership, Ukraine will be a highly militarized nation, closely aligned with NATO, that will always remain a threat to Russia.. [ Can't fault Ukranians here. The threat from Russia will always be there.].
So, the only way Russia can mitigate this threat is by annexing Ukranian territory and creating strategic depth..
nah Russia just needs to destroy the infrastructure and industry of Ukraine and bleed the manpower of Ukraine and make it such a money pit that Afghanistan pales in comparison and the West will call it quits. No one would wanna touch Ukraine afterwards.
 

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In Konkani there is a saying that when translated goes like
"I'll act like i'm beating you, and you act like you're crying"

Seems to be one of those "arrangements" since otherwise both Russian and Iranian oil would be out of the market for many countries and MBS would enjoy such a situation viz the West.
hahaha the EU would be slaves to the Middle East while the rest of Asia and Africa would not be.
 

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In Konkani there is a saying that when translated goes like
"I'll act like i'm beating you, and you act like you're crying"

Seems to be one of those "arrangements" since otherwise both Russian and Iranian oil would be out of the market for many countries and MBS would enjoy such a situation viz the West.
Yet another suicidal move by the Gayropeans that only benefits Uncle Sam in the short run. As Hayek, the great economist, once said ' the surest way to guarantee a spike in tomato prices is to set a cap on it'. This obviously assumes that prices are being set freely by the market but with the oil cap, rigging of the market by the concurrent application of sanctions will only amplify any subsequent price distortions. The Russians for instance have already stated that they will withhold supplies from countries which honour the price cap- this would lead to a dramatic rise in demand for non Russian oil and, since the oil market is very tight and prices are set at the margins, result in a disproportionate increase in prices, perhaps to 200 USD per barrel or above. On the other hand if Russia floods the market with cheap oil, this would panic OPEC into immediate cuts, thereby tightening the market further and spiking prices.

And none of this is being done under a democratic mandate or consultation with European citizenry who will bear the brunt of these policies.
 

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Ukrops forcing children as young as 12 to donate blood to supply frontline troops. This merely confirms 2 things- a) the dastardly Kievien junta's willingness to literally bleed the population dry in service of its Western masters and b) Ukrops are suffering collosal losses on the battlefield.

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As if that would make Russia retreat from captured territories.. As if Macron's or Biden's or even Putin's security guarantees are worth sh*t. Only situation on the ground matters. The fact remains that with or without NATO membership, Ukraine will be a highly militarized nation, closely aligned with NATO, that will always remain a threat to Russia.. [ Can't fault Ukranians here. The threat from Russia will always be there.].
So, the only way Russia can mitigate this threat is by annexing Ukranian territory and creating strategic depth..
I think any kind of negotiations are impossible at this point. Demanding that Russia withdraw from all territories including Crimea? Lets just imagine that for a moment. Tomorrow, Russia does just that. Would that be a sign of good will, and Russia and Putin suddenly became enlightened to their evil ways? No, it would be the clearest sign of weakness ever seen in the history of the world. The western leaders have gone completely insane. However the new congress of the US has the power of the purse, and are going to use it IMO. The December 16th deadline on whether the additional 37 billion in aid to Ukraine gets passed might be the most important event in the next few weeks. If it doesn't get done, it's very bad news for Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...ng-bill-heres-whats-at-stake/?sh=16e969685a7f
"Senior DoD officials are also concerned that a yearlong CR could halt military aid to Ukraine that comes from the department’s base budget, including replacing munitions expended in the fight. The bulk of the funding for Ukraine has been through supplemental funding bills, which could be attached to a CR. But if lawmakers can’t get a deal on a funding bill or a Ukraine supplemental, DoD will run out of money for Kyiv in the spring, McCord said.

“Ukraine is in a kinetic fight, and we are their No. 1 helper,” McCord said. “If they run out of ammo, they’re in a bad place.”

A yearlong CR could also delay industrial base improvements for several key systems, including the Abrams tank and the M777 towed howitzer, which is among the weapons the U.S. military is donating to Ukraine.
 
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I think any kind of negotiations are impossible at this point. Demanding that Russia withdraw from all territories including Crimea? Lets just imagine that for a moment. Tomorrow, Russia does just that. Would that be a sign of good will, and Russia and Putin suddenly became enlightened to their evil ways? No, it would be the clearest sign of weakness ever seen in the history of the world. The western leaders have gone completely insane. However the new congress of the US has the power of the purse, and are going to use it IMO. The December 16th deadline on whether the additional 37 billion in aid to Ukraine gets passed might be the most important event in the next few weeks. If it doesn't get done, it's very bad news for Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...ng-bill-heres-whats-at-stake/?sh=16e969685a7f
"Senior DoD officials are also concerned that a yearlong CR could halt military aid to Ukraine that comes from the department’s base budget, including replacing munitions expended in the fight. The bulk of the funding for Ukraine has been through supplemental funding bills, which could be attached to a CR. But if lawmakers can’t get a deal on a funding bill or a Ukraine supplemental, DoD will run out of money for Kyiv in the spring, McCord said.

“Ukraine is in a kinetic fight, and we are their No. 1 helper,” McCord said. “If they run out of ammo, they’re in a bad place.”

A yearlong CR could also delay industrial base improvements for several key systems, including the Abrams tank and the M777 towed howitzer, which is among the weapons the U.S. military is donating to Ukraine.
The bill for the aid for Ukraine will be passed. The Republicans are milking it to score local brownie points. It's just sausage making at this point. I wouldn't read too much into it. The traditional Republicans hate the Russians as much as the leftists do. It is really one of the fewest points that both parties can agree on: hating the Russians and doing anything to hurt the Russians.
 

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You are becoming really boring with your Nazi obsession. RuSSian propaganda is playing you like a fiddle, this war has nothing to do with some Nazism or Satanism.

Just curious - have you even been to Ukraine? How many Ukrainians have you met in your life?
What's up with westoids defending passionately Americunts LGBTQfags propaganda & grooming & degeneracy? Is rainbow 🌈 the collective flag of western civilization? Is this degeneracy & blatant hypocrisy in line with what Bible teaches you ?

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US /NATO did not accept the Baltics as part of the Soviet Union, during the cold war. so there is absolutely zero chance that US/NATO would formally accept Putin's demand of recognizing annexed territories as part of Russia .. Although chances are high that West would informally accept it as facts on the ground..
 

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I've spent nerly 18 years in multiple defence forums and I have always wondered what differentiated Indian army from Pakistani army at an aggregate level. Fundamentally I believe the answer is the following: Whatever the similarities of the two armies, The Indian army as an institution, and as individuals, could strip away their personal opinion and prejudice and look at the situation for what it was, and draw unbiased insights/conclusions from it. It allowed them to course correct and respond like a professional force; Pakistani army just cant, They are so steeped in their prejudice they are incapable for independent, unbiased assessment. Wish becomes the father of the thought, Bigotry substitutes rationale.

I believed the same extended to the population of the two countries too, on average, atleast amongst the defense forum enthusiasts. And it was true for a long long time; right from 1999 kargil war (the first war actively discussed online in defense sites (BR)) till 2019 skirmish and even later.

This year, and this thread, however, completely and utterly blows that derived assumption into fine powder Going by some of the posters here, the 1st Guards Tank Army has probably reached Bavarian plains, and the Ukrainian army has been destroyed 10x over. Neither is true, 1st Guards, the praetorian vanguard of the Russian Warmachine stands smashed, their pride earned in grinding battles of WW2 wrecked and smoking less than 50 km from their launch points, the Ukrainian army stands greviously wounded, but moving from strength, having made good their losses, and now moving from strength to strength launching successful counter attacks across the front.

It takes a special calibre of stubbornness to refuse to see the reality for what it is. Yes, Russia might win, but that is a bleak probability at this stage. Their current armies in the field have been decimated and denuded of material and more importantly, morale. They need to stage over 500,000 fresh frontline troops and thousands of armored vehicles to be able to mount an envelopment from Belarus , their only real hope of total victory. Even if all of that is accomplished, an astonishing logistics feat in itself, It will take a miracle to pull this off against a Ukrainian army that has been retooling and digging in for a full blown assault. The Wehrmacht and its vaunted divisions in Kursk found out just how hard it was to uproot a determined defense against numerical equivalents, the Russians will go up against a wholly hardened force determined to defend to destruction.

Ukrainian Command, whether by themselves or under guidance of external forces, have executed a restrained, well balanced war under extraordinarily difficult circumstances. Their fighting forces have preservered, and conducted themselves well in a manuevering battlefield in both offense and defense. It has been a tactical masterpiece of defensive offense that will fundamentally rewrite RMA of 2003-04. Credit needs to be given where due. The Russian general staff has demonstrated incompetence and worse, a stubborn refusal to learn in the face of crushing defeat.
 

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Time will tell. But who thought USA would tuck its tail and run away from Afghanistan. Or that Hitler would shoot himself after being surrounded by the Soviet troops.
or that soviet union would collapse
 

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