Russia Ukraine War 2022

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Picard

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There is such a version. Back in the 80s, the fugitive Soviet spy Rezun (under the pseudonym Suvorov), wrote the book "Icebreaker", which says that Stalin used Hitler as a ram.
Italian fascism and German Nazism did not appear as a counterpoint to communism. The weakening or destruction of monarchies led to the filling of voids, because medieval monasteries are also fascism, only without party colors.
Nazism and Fascism may not have appeared as a counterpoint to Communism - though I have to note that both of them were socialist ideologies, and Communism (specifically, revolutions of 1918) played a major role at least in appearance of Nazism - but they were allowed to gain power specifically because everybody was so scared shitless of Communism - and with a good reason - that literally anything else was seen as a better option.

Without Communism, even if Nazism and Fascism did appear, they will have remained fringe ideologies with no real political influence and would have soon faded into history without having accomplished anything major. It was only because of Communism being seen as a massive threat, especially with the influence they gained during the Great Depression, that the establishment reacted by allying with as of yet unknowns of Nazism and Fascism.

EDIT: Anyway, I wrote on Putin and his ideas and war aims. You may find it interesting:
 

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You don't have to fake. The West almost always acts reactively. Until 2014, we did not have a single NATO-standard cartridge, but this did not stop Russia from attacking us. Only then did the reaction of the West begin.
This NATO tragedy started way back with dissolution of USSR, accelerated with 2004 orange revolution. Triggered by maidan coup.
Of note NATO was already in Ukraine to train AFU.
You play stupid games you win stupid prize.
All these involved in this game knew what will be the end result. In any case, Ukraine demographic is fvcked up which is good since you will be forced fed with migrant by EU in the name LGBTQIA+.
 

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So you are basically calling for ethnic cleansing of a certain group of people, aren't ya? Does not that make you the same as the Nazis? This kind of attitude is why Russia never trusted in the intentions of NATO, US, or the western Ukrainians running Ukraine. You have proven Putin and Russia right all along with such statements of these. US, NATO, and the western world desire nothing but the destruction of Russia because of their pathological hatred for the Russian people. With statements like yours, Putin is a hero to the Russian people for standing up to the likes of you.
I am just sick of this holier than thou Nazi Nazi finger pointing.. This war at its core is not about the oppressed Russian people at all.. And yes only war taken to its conclusion can settle this. If there is a cease fire, war wli resume again after some time, until there are too few Ukranians or too few Russians to spare for Empire..
 

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Nazism and Fascism may not have appeared as a counterpoint to Communism - though I have to note that both of them were socialist ideologies, and Communism (specifically, revolutions of 1918) played a major role at least in appearance of Nazism - but they were allowed to gain power specifically because everybody was so scared shitless of Communism - and with a good reason - that literally anything else was seen as a better option.

Without Communism, even if Nazism and Fascism did appear, they will have remained fringe ideologies with no real political influence and would have soon faded into history without having accomplished anything major. It was only because of Communism being seen as a massive threat, especially with the influence they gained during the Great Depression, that the establishment reacted by allying with as of yet unknowns of Nazism and Fascism.

EDIT: Anyway, I wrote on Putin and his ideas and war aims. You may find it interesting:
Mussolini came to power when there was even nothing to eat in Soviet Russia. The fact that he (communism) will frighten Europe, no one has yet thought. Fascism arose after WW1, when the economies of all countries lay on their shoulder blades.
The usual reaction of a weak person is that he is always looking for luck and reaches out to populists.
 

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This NATO tragedy started way back with dissolution of USSR, accelerated with 2004 orange revolution. Triggered by maidan coup.
Of note NATO was already in Ukraine to train AFU.
You play stupid games you win stupid prize.
All these involved in this game knew what will be the end result. In any case, Ukraine demographic is fvcked up which is good since you will be forced fed with migrant by EU in the name LGBTQIA+.
For your information - Russia cooperated more with NATO than Ukraine.
Asian and African refugees are specifically striving for old Europe. They are not even interested in a more successful Poland. Therefore, they will still leave Ukraine. In this matter, I am calm.
 

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For your information - Russia cooperated more with NATO than Ukraine.
Asian and African refugees are specifically striving for old Europe. They are not even interested in a more successful Poland. Therefore, they will still leave Ukraine. In this matter, I am calm.
They wanted Poland but Polish and Hungarian shown Middle finger to EU resulting in blocking of EU funds to them. With regards to Ukraine even it going back to stone age is much better place for those economic migrants. They will send there hordes of lecherous men for Ukrainian blondes😂
 

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They wanted Poland but Polish and Hungarian shown Middle finger to EU resulting in blocking of EU funds to them. With regards to Ukraine even it going back to stone age is much better place for those economic migrants. They will send there hordes of lecherous men for Ukrainian blondes😂
I communicate with you via the Internet, which means I do not even live in the 20th century. :smash:Thanks to Russian missile attacks, we will update our electricity grid, which is stuck in the 70s.
 

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I just view Ukrainians just like weeds, if you don't pull them all from the roots or use cement and rocks on where they originally grow the problem won't be solved. I think most pro-Ukraine users that are pro-Ukraine in this war have only followed this war after February 2022 because they have zero fucking idea just how bad the problem is.
 

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I am just sick of this holier than thou Nazi Nazi finger pointing.. This war at its core is not about the oppressed Russian people at all.. And yes only war taken to its conclusion can settle this. If there is a cease fire, war wli resume again after some time, until there are too few Ukranians or too few Russians to spare for Empire..
You seriously underestimate just how bad Ukraine's government is which makes me assume you followed this conflict after February 2022 and not before it, I would recommend going through these videos 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qAWk_PKv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdI_ZkSa0X4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxP1oozgIvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4mc5mHksl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-UbuQvSQoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuWPSZ7rZzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2tXG2Yo-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtEGRwUK-nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxwZ7zyRB64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuWPSZ7rZzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnys9-oPoh8

please tell us what's your solution for this war? Do you want the Russians to go away and if they do Ukrainians will start shelling civilians again. Are you cool with more civilians dying? Why do you want Ukraine to suffer and not prosper either from being a shithole that is poorer than Kosovo before the war started and have the people become more educated for their country to prosper.?
 

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Mussolini came to power when there was even nothing to eat in Soviet Russia. The fact that he (communism) will frighten Europe, no one has yet thought. Fascism arose after WW1, when the economies of all countries lay on their shoulder blades.
The usual reaction of a weak person is that he is always looking for luck and reaches out to populists.
Bolded part is actually the key to what I am talking about, and why you are incorrect about Communism not being a major threat immediately post World War 1.

Weak economy is a very fertile breeding ground for all sorts of leftist movements. And Communist movements were very, very active in Europe at the time. Fact that there was nothing to eat in Soviet Russia is irrelevant: it is not Soviet invasion Europe was afraid of, but something far more insidious. And that fear was justified: almost entire Europe was caught in pro-Communist revolutions after the First World War. Just look at the map:


And while Communists had failed in most of the early revolutions, they left a deep impact on national psyche in all countries. Nobody felt safe afterwards, and in fact the move towards authoritharian regimes evident in post-WW1 Europe was likely an answer to the threat of Communism. Even in countries where there were no massive Communist revolutions (gray), there were still active Communist parties, cells and revolutionary movements, which were busy spreading terror wherever, whenever and however they could. It is not well known, but Ustashi cooperated closely with Yugoslav Communists in their fight against the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. They only became enemies with each other upon establishment of the Independent State of Croatia, and especially after NDH - acting as Germany's ally - participated in the invasion of the Soviet Union.

So yes, Communism did frighten Europe - to the bones.
 

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I am just sick of this holier than thou Nazi Nazi finger pointing.. This war at its core is not about the oppressed Russian people at all.. And yes only war taken to its conclusion can settle this. If there is a cease fire, war wli resume again after some time, until there are too few Ukranians or too few Russians to spare for Empire..
Either single order hegemony will go in cold chamber or Russia will perish as a single state....
The only outcome I see as an end off.
Matter of fact is fatigue is clearly visible in both sides, coupled with economic causes for and from the en-mass. Also the conflict is loosing it's relevance at quite fast rate in world voices. Every one now trying to save own boat than denting other's boat.
Either way, at least its beneficial for us to secure our deals.
 

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Do you understand Ukrainian? If not. then how can you draw conclusions based on scarce information. For example, I also do not consider Russia a Nazi state. @Ylside is right - it's a fascist state. Just not in the image of Italian fascism. This is a mix of all European fascisms: from Portuguese to Hungarian. It turned out - rashism.
I asked you about the Indian solution. Or do you trust the Russian government more? Then why don't you go there to live? Mom doesn't let go? :wink:
I mean, I did concede it's a Nazi vs Fascist war. After all, Commies weren't really much better than Nazis.

Why would I go live in Russia? You think the people believing Ukrainian version wants to go live in Ukraine?

My only gripe is Ukraine calling Russians fascists and etc without acknowledging they're themselves Nazis.
 

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Bolded part is actually the key to what I am talking about, and why you are incorrect about Communism not being a major threat immediately post World War 1.

Weak economy is a very fertile breeding ground for all sorts of leftist movements. And Communist movements were very, very active in Europe at the time. Fact that there was nothing to eat in Soviet Russia is irrelevant: it is not Soviet invasion Europe was afraid of, but something far more insidious. And that fear was justified: almost entire Europe was caught in pro-Communist revolutions after the First World War. Just look at the map:


And while Communists had failed in most of the early revolutions, they left a deep impact on national psyche in all countries. Nobody felt safe afterwards, and in fact the move towards authoritharian regimes evident in post-WW1 Europe was likely an answer to the threat of Communism. Even in countries where there were no massive Communist revolutions (gray), there were still active Communist parties, cells and revolutionary movements, which were busy spreading terror wherever, whenever and however they could. It is not well known, but Ustashi cooperated closely with Yugoslav Communists in their fight against the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. They only became enemies with each other upon establishment of the Independent State of Croatia, and especially after NDH - acting as Germany's ally - participated in the invasion of the Soviet Union.

So yes, Communism did frighten Europe - to the bones.
These revolutions were carried out by the "impudent method" - lucky or unlucky. They did not have the most important thing - material support. And they were not organized by Russia. After all, every country in Europe had its own socialists. It's just that someone wanted to follow the path of evolutionary socialism, and someone along the path indicated by Marx.
I say that fascism itself goes back to ancient Mesopotamia, only it was without scientific justification. But this is how the situation developed after the "suicide of Europe" Right and left political forces offered an easy solution.
 

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I mean, I did concede it's a Nazi vs Fascist war. After all, Commies weren't really much better than Nazis.

Why would I go live in Russia? You think the people believing Ukrainian version wants to go live in Ukraine?

My only gripe is Ukraine calling Russians fascists and etc without acknowledging they're themselves Nazis.
I understand that India has NEVER experienced Nazism, so you don't understand that European society hates the Nazis to death. I doubt very much that they supported Ukraine if we were a Nazi state.
 

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I understand that India has NEVER experienced Nazism, so you don't understand that European society hates the Nazis to death. I doubt very much that they supported Ukraine if we were a Nazi state.
Nazi is just a flavour of white supremacists. We have had our share of Euro-white supremacist colonisers. We know what it is. We also know Europeans would support the exact same things the Nazis say if only you didn't call it Nazism and killed brown and black people instead. What, you think British were practising some altruistic stuff during their rule?

Anyway, European and Russian blood feud is older than Nazism. They'd call Russians martians if that meant they'd get ro fight them. Ukrainians were called White supremacists, ethnonationalist, Nazis by American -Eueopean press just a little while before Russia attacked it. Since you guys now serve as a tool to fight Russia, they've decided to put your guys in temporary good guy camp. Nothing more.
 

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