Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Blademaster

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As Dima from Military Summary once said and I'm paraphrasing here -
"Those who are under the impression that NATO is gonna fight Russia till the last Ukrainian do not know the Ukrainians. It's the Ukrainians themselves who would fight the Russians till the last Ukrainian."
Perhaps that is the long term strategy by Russia. Depopulate Ukraine so that it can never be a staging ground for NATO attacks into Russia.
 

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Most of the people here get this, except for Varzone, Akim, and few others. This is a great summary.
What's so great about it? Just an usual rehash of RuSSian propaganda, completely one sided - this time presented by convicted sex offender who likes to masturbate in front of underage girls.
 

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What's so great about it? Just an usual rehash of RuSSian propaganda, completely one sided - this time presented by convicted sex offender who likes to masturbate in front of underage girls.
The part about it being an illegal coup is 100% true. Why do you claim that part is a lie? Or are you just going to say the same thing as Akim, that Yanukovych away, and that made it legal by some weird logic?
 

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What's so great about it? Just an usual rehash of RuSSian propaganda, completely one sided - this time presented by convicted sex offender who likes to masturbate in front of underage girls.
He was also talking about the Odessa fire. If you are claiming that's just Russian propaganda? I saw the video's of Ukrainian nationalist throwing Molotov cocktails into that building.
 

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Excluding Surovkins and Shoguis Russian death results, 100,000 dead Ukrainians goes about right with what Scott Ritter reported foe Russian/allied dead 10-15000 (approximately 10,000 Russian and 5,000 Donbass militias). As Ritter said, the Russians will take that ratio all day every day. Lets say 3 times that much is wounded and you have 400,000 Ukrainian casualties and 40 to 50 thousand Russian and allied casualties.

If Reports about Ukraine's complete breakdown in logistics including medical infrastructure and that Ukraine is not retrieving its dead or honoring them as war dead are accurate, then Zelensky puppet's claim of 700,000 dead could easily be only half of the real number. Yeah, if medical logistics are gone, Ukraine could literally be bleeding out and so we could be talking maybe 1, 1.5 million dead and 3 times that many wounded, some permanently maimed.

If these numbers are accurate its only a matter of time before that country collapses completely. Even if it somehow "wins" this war, that is to say forces Russia back to just Crimea, and its lines in Donbass at the time of Minsk its going to be an economic basket case that will burden the US and EU economies for decades. Its energy grid alone is going to take years to rebuild. What industry it had that escaped the rot of the 90s -2022 and isn't in Donbass or Crimea is gone now so there is nothing that it has that can contribute to the EU. Hell, if its combat and working age men are all shot to pieces along with its women there isn't even a cheap labor or sex trafficking victim pool for the EU to exploit.

Frankly, Russia can just win this war by lobbing rockets and drones to destroy NATO weapons and Ukrainian infrastructure, and just digging in and occasionally turning towns into Verduns until the Ukes realize that all their sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, etc are missing, missing body parts or their psyches, or dead.

The west for its part? Well the United States has admitted we lack chips for new wonderwaffles and we have vowed to defend Taiwan which is doubtful because the weapons selling scam is eating into our ammunition stocks. If the US is admitting this, how bad is the situation in Europe. Also, what happens to the EU economies as having to pay 4 to 5 times and more for either reshipped Russian gas, which means Russia makes money, or US LNG means economic decrease and surging living costs? Again, the EU leadership has committed itself to support Ukraine "until victory." So in addition to the EU economy collapsing, & its peoples facing ever higher living costs, it will have to literally babysit a demographic disaster as it will have a Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iraq all rolled into one on its doorstep. Now that is if Ukraine "wins" this war.
At what point does the EU realize that its new garden space is a toxic dump full of weeds that will only kill the gardener?

Long story short, Russia has already won this war demographically and economically if not militarily and the west is beaten even though they don't know it yet.
 

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The part about it being an illegal coup is 100% true. Why do you claim that part is a lie? Or are you just going to say the same thing as Akim, that Yanukovych away, and that made it legal by some weird logic?
Even if the part about illegal coup was true, Ritter's premise, that if there is a coup in some country, its neighbour can invade and annex it, is sick. Moreover, it hard to take someone like him seriously - the world he paints is black & white. Since the start of war, he wrote many posts, but according to him, Putin is a saint - didnt criticize him, not even a single time ("Putin is too humane and kind" doesnt count as a criticism)

As for the Odessa fire, Ritter cannot get even the most basic facts, such as the number of victims (his claim that 48 Russians died during the fire is a lie). But the largest problem with these "summaries" is a cherry-picking. He mentions the fire, but fails to put these evens into context, why there was so much tension - that since the early April, thousands of Russian armed "cossacks" and other paramilitaries entered Donbas, started taking control of cities and killing Ukrainian policemen and people with pro-Ukrainian views.

So, basically, he is Putins apologist - by referencing to some incidents, he tries to excuse the war that already claimed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives. And completely ignores the fact that if not for Russian intervention, there would be no war in Donbas, and probably not even the Odessa fire.
 

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Take a look again. Both those films you showed are not the film I posted. Look at the trees and the road, it's not even close. Plus the footage was just posted on intel slava z. However, the Ukrainian rocket launcher was not painted for winter, that was a big part of my point.
looks like same convoy.
 

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Even if the part about illegal coup was true, Ritter's premise, that if there is a coup in some country, its neighbour can invade and annex it, is sick. Moreover, it hard to take someone like him seriously - the world he paints is black & white. Since the start of war, he wrote many posts, but according to him, Putin is a saint - didnt criticize him, not even a single time ("Putin is too humane and kind" doesnt count as a criticism)

As for the Odessa fire, Ritter cannot get even the most basic facts, such as the number of victims (his claim that 48 Russians died during the fire is a lie). But the largest problem with these "summaries" is a cherry-picking. He mentions the fire, but fails to put these evens into context, why there was so much tension - that since the early April, thousands of Russian armed "cossacks" and other paramilitaries entered Donbas, started taking control of cities and killing Ukrainian policemen and people with pro-Ukrainian views.

So, basically, he is Putins apologist - by referencing to some incidents, he tries to excuse the war that already claimed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives. And completely ignores the fact that if not for Russian intervention, there would be no war in Donbas, and probably not even the Odessa fire.
The people of Crimea wanted protection from the Ukraine nationalist that's why Russia came into Crimea with only one person dying. I hardly call that an invasion. Crimean's speak mostly Russian, and only about 9% speak Ukrainian. I repeat, they voted 97% to join the RF, and you hated that. That's why you lied and called it an invasion. Even an idiot should of been able to see the destructive path the Ukrainian leaders set up. They wanted war, and now look at them. I saw this coming 2 years ago, and the real problem is that Ukraine thought it would win, but it won't, and they now know it.
 

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I haven't mentioned Crimea anywhere. In this case, RuSSian annexation was somewhat understandable, if Russia stopped there, it would be much better for everybody. But instead, they decided also to stir war at Donbas, region they werent even interested in. Largest country in the world and they, instead of improving of living standard of their population, just crave for more and more territory.

And all those talk about "protecting people of Donbas" is just a highest level of hypocrisy, noone suffered due to this war more than people of Donbas. Whole cities were razed to the ground, Grozny style. And even Russian voenkors keep complaining that Russians use Donbas mobiks just as a cheap, expendable cannon-fodder.

 

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Why always this "language myth"? Why, if I think in Russian, is I obliged to like Russia?
I have already said that the new annexation of 4 regions is good. Because it shows the lies of the Crimean referendum in 2014. If anyone believes in the figures of Kherson, he believes in the figures of the Crimea. I can agree that there were more supporters of the "Russian World" there, but this is still only a third of the inhabitants of the peninsula. The rest of the numbers were drawn.
Putler sat down to play with bad cards, hoping for a bluff.
 

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