Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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JBH22

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We should also create a PMC like Wagner in India. It will be useful for doing the dirty work and not get our armies reputation spoiled. Image all the war crimes we can commit 🥵
No political will, turf war from armed forces, NGO BS in India. Looking into our society such PMC idea though good may not find takers in India.
 

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So Zelensky clown is willing to get his country nuked so they can be part of NATO? Isn't the very idea behind joining NATO is to be safe from Russian nukes? What is his end game here?

What is Ukraine's logic? They will get nuked and what, win war? They are fighting, just for sake of fighting. I have not seen a single effort for peace by Ukraine. Their people are dying, millions leaving to europe, destroyed economy, destroyed infrastructure and a dangling threat of nuclear strike.

Is there no voice of reason in Ukraine? isn't there anybody to say to that clown Zelensky that they should do a peace agreement with Russia and save whatever little is left of their country?
He is more desperate than Putin himself.

Nuclear Dhamki is only given when you are sure to lose conventionally. Ukraine is on that path and Zelensky sensed it.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The Over the past few days, PMC Wagner has made significant progress in the area south of Artemovsk Bakhmut. During this time, the settlement passed under Russian control. Veselaya Dolina, Otradovka, most of Zaitsevo.

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lol, they've been fighting to get control of Bakhmut since July
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A classic case of Russian Loss being Indian gain.

We should capitalize on these opportunities to be premier destination for Space and Defense alternative to Russia.


ISRO all set to launch 36 OneWeb satellites this month

ISRO said this will be the company's 14th launch and the satellites will be put into orbit by ISRO's heaviest rocket, the GSLV-MkIII.
Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is all set to launch 36 satellites of UK based communications network OneWeb, it announced in a tweet on October 6.

ISRO said that the launch will happen later this month. The launch will happen under the ‘OneWeb India-1 mission' also known as 'LVM3 M2'. This satellite launch will mark LVM3’s entry into the global commercial launch service market.
To facilitate the launch, OneWeb has partnered with NewSpace India Ltd (NSIL), the commercial arm of Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO).

This will be the company's 14th launch and the satellites will be put into orbit by ISRO's heaviest rocket, the GSLV-MkIII.

Three more launches are targeted for early next year to complete the constellation, a release by the company said.

Earlier in the year, Bharti Enterprises, a major investor and shareholder in London-headquartered OneWeb, announced a distribution partnership with Hughes Communications India Private Ltd.

Earlier this year OneWeb had said that the company will have 70 per cent of its Gen 1 LEO constellation in orbit, which aims to provide high-speed, low-latency broadband-from-space services.

"OneWeb will connect "hardest-to-reach areas, thus playing a critical role in bridging the digital divide across India", OneWeb said.

Earlier this year in September Senior Indian Space Research Organisation scientist A K Anil Kumar was elected as the Vice- President of the International Astronautical Federation (IAF).

"It (Anil Kumar’s election) is a recognition of ISRO’s space endeavours that help in promoting international collaboration," Bengaluru-headquartered ISRO said in a tweet.

 

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We should also create a PMC like Wagner in India. It will be useful for doing the dirty work and not get our armies reputation spoiled. Image all the war crimes we can commit 🥵
@Waanar and I will lead
Oh, don't worry about that. Looking at what's happening in the recent peer to peer conflicts (Azerbaijan-Armenia or Russia-Ukraine), it's pretty much clear for all to see that war crimes are no longer an anomaly.

Also, if there seems to be a necessity for such a group, MoD will probably resort to building up militias rather than PMCs. We're still a little "eastern" in that manner.
 

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So they are going with the "Ukraine tricked Russia into a war", there will always be new excuses to come up with to avoid facing reality.
I dont want to make pro-russian users to hate pro-ukrianian users but set of events to follow.

May 2 2014 Odessa massacre.

I watched it literally on-live translation. It looked like a carefully planned murder.
1. Several thousand ultras arrived in Odessa allegedly for a football match.
2. On the same day, pro-Russian supporters campaigned on the square near the House of Trade Unions.
3. At the beginning of the day, I saw several people killed by unknown people on the street (eyewitnesses said that they were killed with a gun).
4. The police were literally inactive at this time.
5. Agitators were quickly found among the ultras, who shouted that these murders were the work of pro-Russian demonstrators.
6. For some time there was a cordon of local police between the ultras and pro-Russian demonstrators, but then it disappeared.
7. The pro-Russian demonstrators, being in the minority, preferred to retreat to the House of Trade Unions.
8. Ultras broke into the square and began to set fire to the tent city, which was deployed on the square by pro-Russian demonstrators.
9. Demonstrators, fleeing from an aggressive (and armed) crowd of ultras, locked themselves in the House of Professional Unions.
10. Ukrainian Nazis set fire to the doors and lower floors, throwing molotov cocktails at them. Then they stood and rejoiced at how dozens of people were burned alive. Those who tried to get out of the burning building were beaten, maimed and killed.

The web is full of photos and videos of evidence of the atrocities of the Ukrainian Nazis. You just need to make a request to Google. The official results are 48 dead and about 250 injured, although it was initially stated that the number of victims was over a hundred people, and some of the bodies were secretly removed, as they bore traces of torture and bullying that caused death.

Basically the ukrainians did the same kind of shit to the poles, Bandera was a polish jew that led the UPA and died like a rat by the KGB which we might witness Zelensky having a similiar fate.

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There were stories of "freedom trains" with Azov style people on board headed to Crimea. Also, various demonstrations from the local Turkic population sprung up on cue I recall reading a sign that send freedom for Tatarstan. {The "pan-Turkic movement is the 2020s rehash of the arc of instability of the 1970s.} The powers behind the coup knew they could always escalate the situation to force Putin's hand. Demonstrations and attacks of the Russian naval base in Crimea would have been the next step. They wanted sanctions and they were going to get them one way or another.

There is a reason why there are so many Turkish users on defense hub that are so ass hurt about this war. This user seems to have Varzones old profile picture

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and sequ(another turkish user) from sino defense forum is also asshurt about Russia. other reasons besides a decent turkic community in Crimea is that they have alot of military drone projects but they made deals with ukrainains to make the engines which i guess will be difficult to transfer to Turkey. Turks like Varzone wouldnt have given a shit about this war if it was just slavs killing slavs.

This guy was treated like some hero, than they decide to keep shelling Donetsk killing civilians after their attempt in Crimea failed and Russia said fuck it you will be a part of our territory and war was declared since the minsk agreements kept getting violated by ukraine and the west did nothing to stop it. You saw the map earlier of which political parties were pro-ukraine and pro-russian political parties in that map.

I dont support ukraine, because I am not a big fan of genocide to civilians and you would have known that earlier at how revolted I was when Azeris were torturing armenian civilians to death, I am assuming Azeris are sort of like turks as well. If Zelensky does not get his 2nd israel, than we will all experience 1st time in history whites fucking over jews and not the other way around .
 

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We should also create a PMC like Wagner in India. It will be useful for doing the dirty work and not get our armies reputation spoiled. Image all the war crimes we can commit 🥵
PMCs are dangerous liability.

Once you initiate one such group, it becomes a necessity to feed it which means engaging in regular conflicts where the specific kind of skillset can be used. Else you risk it becoming rogue. Also PMCs tends to draw their foot soldiers from the rank and file of the military based on their excellent skillset and it tends to bleed talent pool of the military itself. Further, once you open the doors for one group of PMC to recruit retired men of IA, sooner the others will bigger purse will flock to get the exhaustively trained men of Indian army.

That was only the problem about recruitment and deployment.

PMCs has a poor reputation about restraint and discipline. In Iraq and Afghanistan the image of USA and allies went to shit and the popular opinion always remained sour because of excess use of force and unrestrained violations that poorly disciplined PMCs committed on the general populace. The stories of use of unwarranted deadly force that caused huge collateral damage to the occupied people of Iraq and Afghanistan would boil anyone sane person's blood.

The US and its allies were never seen as benevolent power in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya because of the PMCs who not only served the Govt but the MNCs - and not always on legitimate tasks.
 

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🇺🇸❌🇸🇦🇦🇪📃 — 3 Members of United States House of Representatives for the Democratic Party introduced a bill to pull out all United States Missile defense systems and US Army troops from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia & UAE after the Arab Gulf countries backed OPEC+ oil cuts, which the American Government understand would favor Russia economically.
 

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PMCs are dangerous liability.

Once you initiate one such group, it becomes a necessity to feed it which means engaging in regular conflicts where the specific kind of skillset can be used. Else you risk it becoming rogue. Also PMCs tends to draw their foot soldiers from the rank and file of the military based on their excellent skillset and it tends to bleed talent pool of the military itself. Further, once you open the doors for one group of PMC to recruit retired men of IA, sooner the others will bigger purse will flock to get the exhaustively trained men of Indian army.

That was only the problem about recruitment and deployment.

PMCs has a poor reputation about restraint and discipline. In Iraq and Afghanistan the image of USA and allies went to shit and the popular opinion always remained sour because of excess use of force and unrestrained violations that poorly disciplined PMCs committed on the general populace. The stories of use of unwarranted deadly force that caused huge collateral damage to the occupied people of Iraq and Afghanistan would boil anyone sane person's blood.

The US and its allies were never seen as benevolent power in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya because of the PMCs who not only served the Govt but the MNCs - and not always on legitimate tasks.
True. The best example of this our esteemed western neighbor with their so called non-state actors and these so called non-state actors are eating to the core of their nation.
 

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