Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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One would thing was written be someone from a mental asylum.

Every single nuclear power has radars and equipment to detect any ballistic missile the moment it is launched.

We have all heard about the story of a Soviet guy who prevented a nuclear apocalypse when he decided a ballistic missile launch but understood it has to be a issue because no one would launch a single strike.

Almost all countries with a working nuclear triad including India have capabilities to detect launches accross the globe.

So if US does decide to nuke Russia it will in turn be glassed in its entirety too. Such jingoism only leads to more deaths on the ground.

Vietnamese and Korean veterans would know. Since they went all muh superpower on two ragtag armies with barely any air support but still ended up humiliated fucked beyond repair in all senses.
All the world's nuclear weapons won't be enough to glass entire territories of Russia or Ukraine.. Only cities get glassed.. The rest of the Russians in far flung territories would have to be killed in person.. as the job would have to be finished if Russia starts a nuclear exchange..
Anyway, what I said was addressed to fanbois who think Russia has some nuclear advantage viz a viz US.. and so West should just stop providing military aid to Ukraine, and hand Putin the keys to Ukraine, because crybaby Putin will use his other worldly nukes.. because, he is a nuclear Kamikaze who has said on record that Russians will go to heaven after being nuked.. ( Well, After all the Redlines that US has trespassed, it certainly looks like Putin knows there is no Heaven up there..).. :bplease:
 

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Europe's descent into deindustrialisation. Excellent piece from the right of centre Spectator. The West is fucked and America is squarely to blame for it- history will judge the Nordstream attack as the spectacular own goal that triggered the collapse of the Western ruled based order
 

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All the world's nuclear weapons won't be enough to glass entire territories of Russia or Ukraine.. Only cities get glassed.. The rest of the Russians in far flung territories would have to be killed in person.. as the job would have to be finished if Russia starts a nuclear exchange..
Anyway, what I said was addressed to fanbois who think Russia has some nuclear advantage viz a viz US.. and so West should just stop providing military aid to Ukraine, and hand Putin the keys to Ukraine, because crybaby Putin will use his other worldly nukes.. because, he is a nuclear Kamikaze who has said on record that Russians will go to heaven after being nuked.. ( Well, After all the Redlines that US has trespassed, it certainly looks like Putin knows there is no Heaven up there..).. :bplease:
Considering how the majority of US population is at its coastline i don't think anybody is coming to finish the Russians in far flung regions especially not the Americans who would be in no condition to wage a war.

Both sides would be pretty much dusted.
 

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NATO intelligence fears a possible test of "weapons of the Apocalypse" by Russia, as the Russian submarine K-329 "Bilhorod" disappeared from the base with nuclear torpedoes "Poseidon"

This is reported by La Repubblica. According to the publication, NATO sent an intelligence report to the allied commands about the "disappearance from the base" of the Russian nuclear submarine K-329 "Bilhorod" with six "Poseidon" torpedoes on board, which are equipped with a nuclear warhead, capable of causing a "radioactive tsunami" that can wipe out the face of the earth such metropolises as New York or Los Angeles, and is designed not to emit the heat wave that NATO sensors are tuned to.

Despite the warnings sent out, few believe that the super torpedo can be used.
 

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Europe's descent into deindustrialisation. Excellent piece from the right of centre Spectator. The West is fucked and America is squarely to blame for it- history will judge the Nordstream attack as the spectacular own goal that triggered the collapse of the Western ruled based order
US selling Europe it's pricy has which they had managed to prevent for a few years is comical as hell.

US is making sure that Europeans are the new slaves of the 21st century constantly under American boot with no thought whatsoever.
 

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This idiot Putin...after doing this sham referendum and annexation has actually weakened Crimea's legitimacy, which was won through a clean and fast operation.

I'm awestruck at how Putin escapes blame on anything and everything going wrong...Wow.
Is he accountable for anything at all? At what point does it become his fault?
 

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Some more info on convicted criminal and adulterer David Petraeus' claim that Americans will arrive in Russia in droves and finish them in a conventional war after nukes are used - with what? Once nukes are used, neither side will be in a position to launch a fresh war anew. But even so, let's look at the state of Amrika Bahadur's army:

The American military is now having trouble recruiting enough soldiers. According to the New York Times, its ranks are short thousands of entry-level troops and it’s on track to face the worst recruitment crisis since the Vietnam War ended, not long after the draft was eliminated.

Mind you, it’s not that the military doesn’t have the resources for recruitment drives. Nearly every political figure in Washington, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, invariably agrees on endlessly adding to the Pentagon’s already staggering budget. In fact, it’s nearly the only thing they seem capable of agreeing on.

After all, Congress has already taken nearly a year to pass a social-spending package roughly half the size of this year’s defense budget, even though that bill would mitigate the costs of health care for so many Americans and invest in clean energy for years to come. (Forget about more money for early childhood education.)

Nor is the Pentagon shy about spending from its bloated wallet to woo new recruits. It’s even cold-calling possible candidates and offering enlistment bonuses of up to $50,000.

As it happens, though, its recruiters keep running into some common problems that either prevent young people from enlisting or from even wanting to do so, including the poor physical or mental health of all too many of them, their mistrust of the government (and its wars), and the recent pandemic-related school closures that made it so much harder for recruiters to build relationships with high-school kids.

Many of these recruitment issues are also all-American ones, related to the deteriorating quality of life in this country. From a basic standard of living to shared values or even places where they might spend much time together, they seem to have ever less connecting them to each other. In a nation where friendships across socioeconomic classes are vital to young peoples’ access to new opportunities, this ought to trouble them.

In such communities, it turns out that the military might no longer be able to promise opportunity to that many young people anymore. After all, their government has done an increasingly poor job of providing a basic safety net of food security, a decent education, and reasonable healthcare to their poorest citizens and so seems to have delivered many of them to adulthood profoundly unwell and in no condition to join the military.

Annually, the proportion of young people who are mentally and physically healthy has been shrinking. As a result, roughly three quarters of those between the ages of 17 and 24 are automatically disqualified from serving in the military for obesity, having a criminal record, drug use, or other similar reasons.

To take one example, obesity among kids has skyrocketed in recent years. During the pandemic, in fact, it began rising a stunning five times faster than in previous years. While obesity may not always disqualify young people from serving in the military, it usually does, as do obesity-related diseases like diabetes and high blood pressure.

While its underlying causes are complicated, two things are clear: it’s far more prevalent among the lower- and middle-income segments of the population and per capita it’s strongly linked to wealth inequality.

Legislation like the Healthy Food Access for All Americans bill, which has the potential to expand access to less fattening foods through tax credits and grants for grocers and food banks, was introduced in the Senate more than a year ago. You undoubtedly won’t be surprised to learn that it has yet to pass.

The casualties of not caring for their own in this way are high. According to the National Institutes of Health, an estimated 300,000 deaths each year are due to this country’s obesity epidemic. Unfortunately, deadly as such a phenomenon might prove to be, it doesn’t make for the sort of gripping plots that popular movies need.

Similarly, the military’s recruitment efforts suffer because of poor mental-health levels among young people. One in five young women and one in 10 young men experience an episode of major depression before turning 25. Meanwhile, the suicide rate in Murica is the highest among wealthy nations and also the second-leading cause of death among 10-to-24-year-olds. Worse yet, poor kids are significantly more likely to die by suicide.

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How is the US government going to start a major war yet a majority of Americans especially around the draft age range don't even meet the minimum requirement to serve? Imagine the shitshow of sending a bunch of lazy drugged up Zoomers to the frontlines.

The U.S. military exhausted man resources in Iraq and Afghanistan. The soldiers who lived are going to retired or have retired. The amount of people that need to be in the U. S. military (all branches) is under reported, things like nuclear submarines don't run by themselves and the pool of compatible seamen is stricter than the air force and army. An army of wokefags, trannies and dykes will do fuck-all at the frontline.
 

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Russia is getting weakened , Armenia getting banged every few months and Russia cant do anything. most likely US will start meddling there soon .
Still right now russia controls upto 80 percent industries in armenia. Their atc as well. Also meanwhile the amreekunts has sanctioned the armenian companies. Why is remaining csto not coming for armenian support?

Syria's Assad is already looking for support other than Russia - Turks will make a move there too .
Lullz what recently bashar just acknowledged the russian claims of dontesk luhansk.

These childish lgbt memes are great but reality is US military is still top . only people who can outmatch them is the Chinese but even they are decades away.
Those are not maymays at all those are reality not our problem if you are disgusted by the reality.
At tactical level amreekunts army could be good but at strategic level no. You should go through bunch of the military ops post 1950ad. Korean was tie. Vietnam was loss. Beirut was a loss. Somalia was a loss. Afghanistan was epic lullz. Iraq was tactical victory again followed by 7 years of chutiyapa unnecessary death of troops waste of resources. Exactly why the amreekunts do not want to fight directly if they feel so much about ukraine.

Nope.. Without Bharat there will be no QUAD, as US, Japan and Australia are Treaty allies.. Probably, QUAD is on the way to irrelevance..
South Korea will not be involved in any US China war, since South korea is inside the first island chain. The utility of South Korea is as a military industrial powerhouse, to Arm American allies like Poland..
US China war over Taiwan will be fought at the first Island Chain (FIC), with Japan fighting on US side.. The coming decade will see US and Japan militarized the first Island chain with the same A2AD weapons that China has been deploying on the South China sea.. US military strategy would be to bottle up Chinese Navy inside the FIC, and destroy China's Navy and Trade slowly, while not getting too close to the Chinese coast.
So, India has almost no utility here..
Quad/Indo-Pacific are china related. Not global coalition. No link to russia.

Talking of Indo-pacific there can be no Indo-pacific without India as simple as that. Go read head of amreekunts Indo pacific strategy and policy. Surely you do not know better than him in regards to quad grouping.

Last two years quad could not be worked on as intended because of coronachan fallout. Now wait what unfolds out of that.

Then, how did the Soviet Union economically weaken in the 80s..?
The basis of the disaster lies in the early twentieth century two world wars and the hardest losses of the country (both economic and human). They screwed the nazis but in doing so the Communist party of the ussr lost more than 2.5 million active party members. In fact the entire communist elite died in battle. Now imagine that you have some kind of state structure that has lost its best part - the most motivated, trained and competent people who formed the basis of this structure. Everything else was catalyst that caused soviet downfall.
 
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As per India, QUAD is not a military alliance directed against China, but a talking shop to discuss all things under the sun.. So, QUAD is not of much value to US.
There is nothing official in writing among quad members. It is a loose gathering with the 4 countries all having different views. US may be there just to sell weapons to india not much more? Imo
 

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This idiot Putin...after doing this sham referendum and annexation has actually weakened Crimea's legitimacy, which was won through a clean and fast operation.

I'm awestruck at how Putin escapes blame on anything and everything going wrong...Wow.
Is he accountable for anything at all? At what point does it become his fault?
You're not looking at this in the long term. In the short term there have been both positives and negatives with the referendums. Losing Russian territory is bad in the short term, but that can be solved in the long term with more mobilization as needed. Russia is in this for the long term, no matter what the short term cost are. You do understand that?
 

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You're not looking at this in the long term. In the short term there have been both positives and negatives with the referendums. Losing Russian territory is bad in the short term, but that can be solved in the long term with more mobilization as needed. Russia is in this for the long term, no matter what the short term cost are. You do understand that?
No I can't understand how Russia's mobilisation will help get the territory back in long term.
Very easily you predict the future, try to predict by looking at short term sometimes.
 

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No I can't understand how Russia's mobilisation will help get the territory back in long term.
Very easily you predict the future, try to predict by looking at short term sometimes.
Being an American I can look at this from this point of view, and I can tell you what the Russian resolve is. Lets say that Mexico was committed back in the 80s to join the Warsaw pact. This would anger just about every citizen in the USA including me. We would not tolerate it, but there's more. Lets say that the northern part of Mexico was ethnic Americans that spoke English, and they were being persecuted, and the English language was outlawed, this would further infuriated us. We would invade Mexico, and no matter what the cost we would be committed to win, and just about every American would support that. This IMO is the resolve with Russian people. They are fucking sick of the US. I'm sick of the US. We stepped over a red line on purpose with full knowledge it was a red line. I don't care what the propaganda says. Russia is committed to win at all cost, because their citizens are fed up with the west.
 

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