Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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couchPotato

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SIR jee, Gaddi to mil gyo, par fuel khatam!! chaleega kanha se!! jokes apart, it's rumored that US already transferred AFU about third of its HIMARS M30 rockets, and a good amount of ATACMS missiles and they don't come cheap, more of all, AFU used those as diwali ka patakhe at first ... so now.. thann thannn gopala situation..
more over sudden altered political scenario in US homeland, IC shortage , Taiwan - china hotpot thanks to NP's so called self authorised trip.. all messed up the game plan of US deep state- apparently!
I hear that ATACMS is so expensive that the US originally stopped making new ones. AFU using them like throwing pebbles is.... well interesting.
 

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SIR jee, Gaddi to mil gyo, par fuel khatam!! chaleega kanha se!! jokes apart, it's rumored that US already transferred AFU about third of its HIMARS M30 rockets, and a good amount of ATACMS missiles and they don't come cheap, more of all, AFU used those as diwali ka patakhe at first ... so now.. thann thannn gopala situation..
more over sudden altered political scenario in US homeland, IC shortage , Taiwan - china hotpot thanks to NP's so called self authorised trip.. all messed up the game plan of US deep state- apparently!
I haven't even posted about the HIMARS rockets themselves. Russia has claimed they destroyed hundreds of the rockets stored in warehouses. What good are the launchers without the rockets? Varzone said these are shoot a scoot systems (which is true) but the stored missiles are stationary and just because the launchers are mobile doesn't make them impossible to find.
 

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I haven't even posted about the HIMARS rockets themselves. Russia has claimed they destroyed hundreds of the rockets stored in warehouses. What good are the launchers without the rockets? Varzone said these are shoot a scoot systems (which is true) but the stored missiles are stationary and just because the launchers are mobile doesn't make them impossible to find.
if you keenly observe the observable strategy from both sides, lately Russia has became a better quick learner,
thanks to cheap drones, most of Russia's artt fire are now concentrated and co-ordinated after stronghold location pinpointing, i guess they too are rationing the shells after a good numbers been blown out by M30 s. I expressed the same almost 300 pages earlier, now they observe and follow the target for longer even if it keeps up shooting, and when the unit returns to restock, once the hideout is located, a blanket bombing at once ... same like when AFU intensified its precision attacks on Russian stockpiles, Russia quickly improvised and spread out its stocks in smaller ones... as a result Ukraine had to either recalculate the attack count or to change tactics to subtorus again!!
 

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No ATACMS Missiles have been given by the US to Ukraine, it’s been denied officially multiple times and there is no open source proof of it either.
 

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Are you obsessed somehow with Poland? It's not the first time, you're trying to humiliate Poland and Poles. Are you paid?

1. The borders between Poland, USSR and Germany were internationally recognized. There was nothing to dispute. If Pakistan offered to India peace talks and resolutions to surrender Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir, India accept these "peace proposals"?
2. Don't we have right to establish defence treaty?
3. Partial mobilisation march 23 1939 (only 4 divisions of total 39 and 14 detached brigades) was an answer to German demads (march 21) to annexation of Free City of Dantzig and establish exterritorial "corridor" on polish soil to East Prussia. March 15 - 17 German army took Czechoslovakia. Did we have no reason to be afraid?
4. What prosecution are you talking about? May you point any law in force then? In my village there were about 10 German families prior 1939. After German invasion, all of them were given an offer that cannot be refused to adopt "volklistliste" ore "reichsliste". Mr Welke refused. He was beaten by German police almost to death. Would he have refused if he had been earlier harassed?
5. There was no ultimatum to Danzig.
6. Annexation of Zaolzie was bad. Earlier the Czechs invaded Zaolzie (january 23 1919). I do not justify, i just inform.
7. Ultimatum to Lithuania - complicated issue. No time to explain.
8.There was no food blockade. And there was no possibility of such action - FC of Danzig bordered East Prussia.
9. German commercial airplain? Where, when? before september 1 1939? In my opinion - bullshit
10. Multiple German massacres? Where, when? before september 1 1939? In my opinion - another bullshit.
 

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if you keenly observe the observable strategy from both sides, lately Russia has became a better quick learner,
thanks to cheap drones, most of Russia's artt fire are now concentrated and co-ordinated after stronghold location pinpointing, i guess they too are rationing the shells after a good numbers been blown out by M30 s. I expressed the same almost 300 pages earlier, now they observe and follow the target for longer even if it keeps up shooting, and when the unit returns to restock, once the hideout is located, a blanket bombing at once ... same like when AFU intensified its precision attacks on Russian stockpiles, Russia quickly improvised and spread out its stocks in smaller ones... as a result Ukraine had to either recalculate the attack count or to change tactics to subtorus again!!
Wow it's like you were there, live reporting
:clap2:
 

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I hear that ATACMS is so expensive that the US originally stopped making new ones. AFU using them like throwing pebbles is.... well interesting.

Moreover, the HIMARS is also prohibitively expensive. Each HIMARS rocket costs around $150,000, and the wheeled chassis/launcher costs $5.6 million. Thus, the entire system (six rockets and the wheeled launcher) comes to $6.5 million, and a dozen HIMARS launchers would come at $78 million.

As for the Tornado-S, a September 2019 ZAO Special Design Bureau (SKB) contract with the Russian MoD to make 20 such systems was priced at 6-7 billion rubles ($93-$108 million). Even taking the upper limit puts the price of each unit at $5.4 million. This makes the Tornado-S 16% cheaper than the American system.
TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS OVERHYPED.

16% IS NOT EXPENSIVE FOR USA.
 

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The United States handed over MaxxPro armored personnel carriers to Ukraine. One of the MaxxPro armored personnel carriers did not cope with the Ukrainian off-road and was caught on video. The armored vehicle with enhanced mine protection MaxxPro of the American company Navistar was put into service on an urgent basis in the United States in 2007. The use of a serial chassis made it possible to quickly deploy the mass production of the MaxxPro armored vehicle. A fighting compartment for 6 people is installed on the chassis of the armored car, protected from below by a V-shaped plate.


 

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Don't waste your breath on these idiots.
Russia under Putin who is responsible for Grozny is moral superpower and never kills civilians. It's clear they know zilch about history.

You are explaining them like they want to understand....that's not the case.

They only want to play Globohomo, West is Satan, 5th gen war which is a very paki trait.

Let them play with their dollhouses and barbies.

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Let's be honest, Grozny was in ruins since the first Chechen war and hadn't been rebuilt since.
No one claims Russia is a saint but everyone feels like it's a very necessary evil to fix European and American hegemony.

Putin wouldn't have sent the Russian military into Chechnya had the Chechens not bombed residential apartments and started invading the nearby Dagestan and Ingueshtia and raping, murdering and pillaging it's people.

Lastly, the much touted "Russian brutality" is a mix of certain things-
Wars in caucasus have historically never been Geneva convention friendly by either party and what the Chechens were doing was head and shoulders above what Russians were doing to them.
Secondly, since Akhmad Kadyrov switched sides, his militia immediately started going after the wahabbi ones. There was no time for professionalization of their force and thus they went after the Basayev loyalists in the same way they went after Russians in the first Chechen war- with immense HR violations.
This fact is often twisted to crucify the conduct of Russian forces in Chechnya by wordplay like "pro Russian forces" or merely "Russian forces".
Make a distinction between Kadirovsky and the legitimate Russian military and you'll find that the conduct of Russian forces, while not particularly pure, was much less brutal than what pro Ukrainian posters here will have us believe.
 

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Don't waste your breath on these idiots.
Russia under Putin who is responsible for Grozny is moral superpower and never kills civilians. It's clear they know zilch about history.

You are explaining them like they want to understand....that's not the case.

They only want to play Globohomo, West is Satan, 5th gen war which is a very paki trait.

Let them play with their dollhouses and barbies.

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Yeah yeah innocents who did Beslan School siege. Very innocent people.
 

Kumaoni

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Let's be honest, Grozny was in ruins since the first Chechen war and hadn't been rebuilt since.
No one claims Russia is a saint but everyone feels like it's a very necessary evil to fix European and American hegemony.

Putin wouldn't have sent the Russian military into Chechnya had the Chechens not bombed residential apartments and started invading the nearby Dagestan and Ingueshtia and raping, murdering and pillaging it's people.

Lastly, the much touted "Russian brutality" is a mix of certain things-
Wars in caucasus have historically never been Geneva convention friendly by either party and what the Chechens were doing was head and shoulders above what Russians were doing to them.
Secondly, since Akhmad Kadyrov switched sides, his militia immediately started going after the wahabbi ones. There was no time for professionalization of their force and thus they went after the Basayev loyalists in the same way they went after Russians in the first Chechen war- with immense HR violations.
This fact is often twisted to crucify the conduct of Russian forces in Chechnya by wordplay like "pro Russian forces" or merely "Russian forces".
Make a distinction between Kadirovsky and the legitimate Russian military and you'll find that the conduct of Russian forces, while not particularly pure, was much less brutal than what pro Ukrainian posters here will have us believe.
War is war, dealing with Islamic fundamentalists, like the ones in the Chechen war, is a whole nother ball game. British slaves would have you believe that Beslan School crisis was a Russian fault though, don’t really listen to them
 

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Himars round is around USD 160,000 but new rounds plus their transportation can be USD 200,000 per round. Assuming accuracy of 25-75m, a salvo of 3-6 rockets will be required for any point target. Somehow it seems pictures of Russian Tornado & Smerch have decreased, has Russia run out?
As a war economy, Russian costs of guided Tornado might be 1/4th of USA.
 

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