Russia Ukraine War 2022

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couchPotato

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Snowy winter is not an apocalypse. We'll survive.
This is good. that the largest consumers (China, India) buy cheap hydrocarbons. This means that market demand will lower prices from other sellers.
Not really, the rest of the world can buy oil from whoever sell it. The 'rules based world order' (aka the west) can only buy from either the US or west asia. IOW you're allowed to only buy the more expensive stuff. Different markets, different monpolies.

Also, I'm sure Ukrainians will survive. We'd have to wait and see how much camradrie the rest of the europe has with ya all when the snow starts falling.
 

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If you follow your logic, then Putler is the biggest fool if he succumbed to American propaganda and attacked Ukraine .. Of course we ask for weapons. And always asked. After all, a huge country attacked us in 2014. Then it was still hybrid, now it has grown into an open confrontation. Unfortunately, they didn't sell it to us. Apparently fearing to provoke Putler. But here it is the other way around. The robber will attack an unarmed passerby, but may not risk doing it, knowing that the pedestrian has a gun.
+ Zelensky's pacifism. A lot of military programs were frozen under him. Now they are quickly returned. The cruiser Moskva was sunk by a Ukrainian missile. Here is a blow to Novofedorivka - from Ukrainian weapons.

You'd be better off. Thanks to us, the Indian army has risen one step higher in the list of "The most powerful armies in the world"
Do you know what IS buyer- seller relationship? We bought the engines, be it for Navy or tanks, NOT as free items.
Now put your self in frame!!! you are getting everything as alms, even after screaming lungs out, you are getting part of it , are you paying for those? GUESS NOT!! even the humanitarian AID from India going to you for free of cost AID.. better use that instead of selling those in BM!!
Russia attacked in 2014, then what Hunter Biden was doing there from 2006 with CIA and millions of donation in Ukrainian shell companies!! along with 100s of Biolabs setup!! I guess you would rather prefer to be NUMb shut over it , you can check it your self from available data in internet against the multifold rise in incidental and unaccounted death/ demises of Ukrainian citizens during 2000+ to 2014, if you may, THEY WERE THOSE LAB RATs !!
even you can can track that topic in here forum before 2014 era!!!
You were made that scrap-goat in the hand of USA to further humiliate and disintegrate Russia to monopolise it's hegemony ( China still lacks way behind in military tech reliability than Russia , leave alone US)
and for Moskva, It was US which provided you the Realtime guidance and co-ordinates, you did not have a proper satcom link before Starlink provided it for FREE. So, better don't boast of rented items.

You can write that in stone, same like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq - Pakistan - US will ditch you out of sudden and swift( here they got no physical presence too,, so no string attached for moving out).

Yet, I wish this bloodshed stops here and now.. every life is precious, be it Ukrainian or Russian. Be safe.
 

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The Indian Army has fought against Chinese and Pakistani forces at the same time. We find it amusing when compared to a shrinking Ukrainian Army fighting against Russia's B Team consisting of mercenaries, volunteers, active personnel, paramilitary, ethnic units and 'misplaced' conscripts.
Don't consider yourself the center of the world. I only "out of the corner of my ear" heard about the clashes of the Indian army. Nobody devalues the successes of the Indian army, but it was "once upon a time." Putler also created the cult of the "invincible Red Army", but in fact his army is raking it out to the fullest. And do not think that there are no professionals. 3/5 is a regular army.
 

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Do you know what IS buyer- seller relationship? We bought the engines, be it for Navy or tanks, NOT as free items.
Now put your self in frame!!! you are getting everything as alms, even after screaming lungs out, you are getting part of it , are you paying for those? GUESS NOT!! even the humanitarian AID from India going to you for free of cost AID.. better use that instead of selling those in BM!!
Russia attacked in 2014, then what Hunter Biden was doing there from 2006 with CIA and millions of donation in Ukrainian shell companies!! along with 100s of Biolabs setup!! I guess you would rather prefer to be NUMb shut over it , you can check it your self from available data in internet against the multifold rise in incidental and unaccounted death/ demises of Ukrainian citizens during 2000+ to 2014, if you may, THEY WERE THOSE LAB RATs !!
even you can can track that topic in here forum before 2014 era!!!
You were made that scrap-goat in the hand of USA to further humiliate and disintegrate Russia to monopolise it's hegemony ( China still lacks way behind in military tech reliability than Russia , leave alone US)
and for Moskva, It was US which provided you the Realtime guidance and co-ordinates, you did not have a proper satcom link before Starlink provided it for FREE. So, better don't boast of rented items.

You can write that in stone, same like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq - Pakistan - US will ditch you out of sudden and swift( here they got no physical presence too,, so no string attached for moving out).

Yet, I wish this bloodshed stops here and now.. every life is precious, be it Ukrainian or Russian. Be safe.
I repeat once again: it is dangerous only at the front. There is no devastation in the main part of the country
We don't believe in conspiracy theories. There is a maniac in the Kremlin who dreams of destroying Ukraine. This argument is enough for me.
 

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10,000 Ukranians are undergoing training in UK alone. Anyone have a infographic about the total manpower under training abroad?
 

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Snowy winter is not an apocalypse. We'll survive.
This is good. that the largest consumers (China, India) buy cheap hydrocarbons. This means that market demand will lower prices from other sellers.
not really, OPEC won't allow that for their own survival. moreover, the main piped channels are shut for western customers, leaving only the costly port option float, that will balance the cost reduction to up.
 

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I repeat once again: it is dangerous only at the front. There is no devastation in the main part of the country
We don't believe in conspiracy theories. There is a maniac in the Kremlin who dreams of destroying Ukraine. This argument is enough for me.
you don't have to, all data are available open source, you need to just search and make 2+2= 5.1
 

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Don't consider yourself the center of the world. I only "out of the corner of my ear" heard about the clashes of the Indian army. Nobody devalues the successes of the Indian army, but it was "once upon a time." Putler also created the cult of the "invincible Red Army", but in fact his army is raking it out to the fullest. And do not think that there are no professionals. 3/5 is a regular army.
We kicked the ass of the Pakistani Army in 1948, 1965, 1971, 1999 and most recently 2019. As for the Chinese, besides 1962 which was a psychological shock to the Gandhian psyche, we stood them down every time, in 1967, 1987 and even during the recent 2020 Galwan skirmish.

Unlike the Ukrainian Army, we don't take conscripts but instead, a professional soldiery.

The only thing that was missing until now was nationalist-militarist leadership which we got under Modi and a Military Industrial Complex which we are building up to right now.

You can check out this MIC right here : https://defenceforumindia.com/threa...defence-sector-news.55/page-1642#post-2315760
 

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Snowy winter is not an apocalypse. We'll survive.
This is good. that the largest consumers (China, India) buy cheap hydrocarbons. This means that market demand will lower prices from other sellers.
works for oil. doesnt work for gas. gas is always far cheaper via pipeline than via ships. Enjoy freezing.
 

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10,000 Ukranians are undergoing training in UK alone. Anyone have a infographic about the total manpower under training abroad?
basic training in most armies last 6-12 months. This is, JUST to become a grunt with a gun. Then comes another 1-3 years for specialist training - by that i mean tank driver/loader/arty guy etc. highly specialised training, such as fighter pilot or ship navigator or ship gunners take 4-5 years after basic training.

The level of training given to these ukronazis, i doubt they'd be able to win a pitched battle with the taliban even if they outnumber the taliban 3 to 1
 

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We kicked the ass of the Pakistani Army in 1948, 1965, 1971, 1999 and most recently 2019. As for the Chinese, besides 1962 which was a psychological shock to the Gandhian psyche, we stood them down every time, in 1967, 1987 and even during the recent 2020 Galwan skirmish.

Unlike the Ukrainian Army, we don't take conscripts but instead, a professional soldiery.

The only thing that was missing until now was nationalist-militarist leadership which we got under Modi and a Military Industrial Complex which we are building up to right now.

You can check out this MIC right here : https://defenceforumindia.com/threa...defence-sector-news.55/page-1642#post-2315760
Any army wears out quickly. The conscript does not go to the front line. The army has a lot of work in the rear. Although. A platoon of National Guard conscripts stopped and destroyed a tank column that was moving towards Kharkiv.
P.S. I don't remember a full fledged war between India and Pakistan in 2019.
 

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Snowy winter is not an apocalypse. We'll survive.
This is good. that the largest consumers (China, India) buy cheap hydrocarbons. This means that market demand will lower prices from other sellers.
You will 'survive' but we have to see how much europe is willing to sacrifice for you guys. And us buying cheap from Russia is not going to help you or europe.
You guys would still have to buy US certified full halal democratic morally good oil.
 

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You will 'survive' but we have to see how much europe is willing to sacrifice for you guys. And us buying cheap from Russia is not going to help you or europe.
You guys would still have to buy US certified full halal democratic morally good oil.
This is war. War has its costs. Of course, some of the European politicians are not ready to sacrifice their "political comfort", but then let the society of their country decide. Our Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council said that we would still defend ourselves.
 

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Any army wears out quickly. The conscript does not go to the front line. The army has a lot of work in the rear. Although. A platoon of National Guard conscripts stopped and destroyed a tank column that was moving towards Kharkiv.
P.S. I don't remember a full fledged war between India and Pakistan in 2019.
Russians were using poor tactics and no reconnaissance. Meanwhile Ukrainians were using drones and artillery to target tank columns and ATGMs with special forces / light infantry to take out tanks and AFVs.

You can refer to these videos for context albeit with a pro Western slant :



We have around 200000 troops currently stationed in a standoff against the Chinese with another 100,000+ in J&K near the Pakistani border. Manpower is the last thing Indian Army has to worry about.

Also look up the 2019 India Pakistan clash :

2019 Jammu and Kashmir airstrikes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jammu_and_Kashmir_airstrikes#Friendly_fire
 

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Snowy winter is not an apocalypse. We'll survive.
This is good. that the largest consumers (China, India) buy cheap hydrocarbons. This means that market demand will lower prices from other sellers.
Have you changed your opinion about Zelensky? You said you didn't like him because of his peaceful attitude towards Russia. Now he's saying the war won't be over until Ukraine takes back Crimea, and the rest of the lost land. You just can't except that 97% of people in Crimea voted to join Russia. You're just a sore loser. Keep it up and you won't survive, instead you will die like a mindless, worthless pawn in the hands of an idiot like Zelensky.
 

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harder to fight in the himalayas than in taiwan.
True.. but China will not be able to mount an invasion of taiwan with hundreds of thousands of troops, until US Navy / Air force ability to intervene is thoroughly degraded ( like Nazi German airforce and Navy was degraded when Operation Overlord commenced in 1944 ).. One LPD or one Large Ro Ro troop transport sunk will kill a 1000 PLA soldiers. THATS not the case in himalayas.. There won't be mass killing of PLA soldiers on an epic scale like what could happen in the Taiwan Strait, should the US intervene in force.. It will take the PLA Navy and Air force a couple of decades atleast to attain the sort of supremacy in the first Island chain, to be able to overwhelm the US and Japan..
This does not mean that China will invade India in force. The returns don't warrant the risk, with India being a country with huge strategic depth.. But, the probability of a Indo-China war is higher than a Taiwan Invasion for the next couple of decades, if Taiwan does not declare Independence.. If Taiwan agrees to become US bait, then yes, Taiwan is f**ked and PLA with invade Taiwan..
 

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