Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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GaudaNaresh

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The veto system only worked for as long as the EU stuck to its original raison de'etre, as a fairly compact trading bloc consisting of mature 'liberal' democracies with broadly compatible, developed market economies. This stopped being the case once the organisation was weaponised by Washington (with assistance from London) for its geopolitical objectives with the expansion into Eastern Europe.

National vetoes in an expanded EU with a more explicit geo strategic orientation does not work for the main actors- it is a major barrier to Eurozone fiscal union for France, for which the main purpose of the EU has always been to keep Germany in check and financially leech off its more industrious neighbour, or for Germany and it's Northern allies for who vetoes by Eastern Europeans have been a major irritant blocking their 'progressive' social agenda and so forth. The fact that national vetoes cede too much power to bit players was illustrated only in the past month by Hungary forcing the EU's hand on Russian oil or Cyprus vetoing attempts to bar EU flagged carriers from transporting Russian crude.

For these reasons, France and Germany have been championing a move to a simple majority system for a while now but admitting a large country like Ukraine that would toe the line of other rogue Eastern members would create a bloc with a simple majority that will momentarily destroy the traditional French/ German domination of the EU and enable the poor and socially conservative East to foist all manner of self serving economic, social and security policies on the bloc.

To summarise, the EU is fucked either way- retaining national vetoes would preserve the current state of policy paralysis, leaving it vulnerable to crises particularly on the economic and security fronts in the near term, whilst abolishing it will screw it in the long term.

But won't the change to simple majority be subject to a veto ?
No small nation would want to give up its veto....

But either way, EU population is 447 million and France+Germany+Spain+Portugal+italy+Sweden+ireland+Finland+low countries+Austria == 325 odd million.
So seems like the 'progressive western +northern europe' still retains dominance over the intermarium/visgerad countries. Ukraine with its 40 million makes it a 66% majority for these 'high income liberal democracies'.

Infact, the more i think, the more the simple majority will be better- it will create two blocks - the original EEC block ++ and the warsaw pact block++, leading to perhaps a future divorce.
 
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Wow! They are chanting "Allau Akbar" as liberation cry and Indians are celebrating. Yet, in same breath complaining about Islamic terror the world over. May be India wants that cry all over India too? If confused people had a country....

More win for Putin and his Chechen Muslim fighters only helps enemies of India. It also strengthens Chinese resolve to invade Taiwan and press further in India. I know India is dependent nation and in no position to offend Russia but show of support for Russian invasion tells us a lot about how naive Indians are. Clueless about the implications of this war.
 

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Or they simply hate Russia...

Remember things that have been done in past by Russian empires still have a weight on people perception.

Also for many they consider the territory captured by Russia part of Ukraine so what you are doing to general public is simply an invasion and atrocity, which can knock at their doors too.
Polaks would hate Russians either without the invasion or with the invasion: polaks are just racist scumbags with hate in their hearts and desire to be like Anglo Saxons, but even Angelo saxons look down on them LOL
 

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Wow! They are chanting "Allau Akbar" as liberation cry and Indians are celebrating. Yet, in same breath complaining about Islamic terror the world over. May be India wants that cry all over India too? If confused people had a country....

More win for Putin and his Chechen Muslim fighters only helps enemies of India. It also strengthens Chinese resolve to invade Taiwan and press further in India. I know India is dependent nation and in no position to offend Russia but show of support for Russian invasion tells us a lot about how naive Indians are. Clueless about the implications of this war.
Typical westerner who thinks all conflicts are connected hahah.

They tried in 2020, and went back, they tried in 1967 (when you were their ally), went back and failed (again).

Mao wouldn’t have been pissed if we didn’t support your CIA tibet program in the first place, so theCIA is effectively responsible for this conflict.
 

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This is the only country that knows how to look after it’s self interest.

In 2001 we should have done the exact same with Pakistan, they had provoked us enough and if it wasn’t USAs love affair with Musharraf, being a gauranteeor for him.

The plan in progress wasn’t a bad idea, would have liberated/recaptured numerous territories of our land
 

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Went back? 😂
Yes! Blame CIA for 2020 invasion of Indian claimed land by PLA. Hans haven't gone back, I can guarantee you that much.

But hey, don't bother, keep on celebrating Allahu Akbar in Ukraine. More relevant issue for all Indians.
They are saying a saying in their religion, I do not care. And they can do whatever they want outside india (these Chechens are the ones that fought the Wahabists for Putin a

🙄 No I don’t blame the CIA for 2020, but the 1962 conflict. After that it’s been damaged beyond repair unfortunately.

The Hans have gone back bro. I’m telling you, there’s a reason they agreed to talk it out.
 

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Wow! They are chanting "Allau Akbar" as liberation cry and Indians are celebrating. Yet, in same breath complaining about Islamic terror the world over. May be India wants that cry all over India too? If confused people had a country....

More win for Putin and his Chechen Muslim fighters only helps enemies of India. It also strengthens Chinese resolve to invade Taiwan and press further in India. I know India is dependent nation and in no position to offend Russia but show of support for Russian invasion tells us a lot about how naive Indians are. Clueless about the implications of this war.
Doesn't make one bit of difference for us. Through its experience of the past 7 decades, the Indian populace has come to the conclusion that we are all alone in this whole wide world, and if shit hits the fan, we'll have to deal with it all by ourselves. So why even bother trying to suck up to you westerners when we are gonna be sacrificed anyway??
 

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Doesn't make one bit of difference for us. Through its experience of the past 7 decades, the Indian populace has come to the conclusion that we are all alone in this whole wide world, and if shit hits the fan, we'll have to deal with it all by ourselves. So why even bother trying to suck up to you westerners when we are gonna be sacrificed anyway??
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Went back? 😂
Yes! Blame CIA for 2020 invasion of Indian claimed land by PLA. Hans haven't gone back, I can guarantee you that much.

But hey, don't bother, keep on celebrating Allahu Akbar in Ukraine. More relevant issue for all Indians.
No one is celebrating Allahu Akbar chant

But Russian victory and defeat of another attempt to create a Pakistan right at their border.

Russia provide full support to India diplomatic and military both on the issue of Kashmir and the territory of Sindh occupied by Pakistan .

While Ukraine and west dont.
 

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