Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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well they are getting more shit now .

i think US will give them just enough to keep war going as long as possible.

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Yes.. US will prolong the war.. by giving more stuff.. since the initial US calculation was to have Ukraine fight, until unprecedented economic sanctions bring Russian economy down and force it to withdraw from Ukraine.. That didn't work out.. So, until NATO sufficiently strengthens it's eastern flank ground forces to be able to deter the newly emboldened Russia, US will make sure that Russia remains occupied in Ukraine..
 

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Yes.. US will prolong the war.. by giving more stuff.. since the initial US calculation was to have Ukraine fight, until unprecedented economic sanctions bring Russian economy down and force it to withdraw from Ukraine.. That didn't work out.. So, until NATO sufficiently strengthens it's eastern flank ground forces to be able to deter the newly emboldened Russia, US will make sure that Russia remains occupied in Ukraine..
US can very well keep replenishing destroyed military hardware of Ukr army but how it would replace loss of soldiers? The war will end, when the last of the soldiers will either die or surrender.
 

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Some of the most clear headed analysis of the Western debacle in Ukraine that I've read in MSM
A large part of the reason this war (and this thread) is so interesting is that it tells so much about other important stuff - the state of the global economy, modern weaponry and - as this article indirectly shows - the mindset of the West.

Read the comments section and you will know what I mean. All full of "Russian aggression" and "we can't let them get away with it", from the people who brought us Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen....
 

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A large part of the reason this war (and this thread) is so interesting is that it tells so much about other important stuff - the state of the global economy, modern weaponry and - as this article indirectly shows - the mindset of the West.

Read the comments section and you will know what I mean. All full of "Russian aggression" and "we can't let them get away with it", from the people who brought us Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen....
Yes, I did notice that- Western sheep high on the liberal democracy Kool Aid. It'll take a few more months of surging prices at the pump before they sober up.

Meanwhile, the liberated people of Libya continue to reap the benefits of Western liberal democracy. Yet another example of successful NATO interventionism.

 

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A big power or shall we say one of the two big power of the world, Russia, is unable to have its way militarily in Ukraine is a very poor showing.

We do not know if it is the failure of the Russian military or poorly anticipated resistance from the Ukrainian forces is the cause. A big failure is poorly directed political direction of the war. Putin did fail here. Had they anticipated major resistance by the Ukrainians then they should not have gone into Ukraine at all. Now every inch of Ukrainian territory is fought over and the Russians are not having easy going. And that is with NATO’s moral support only and some material support.

Civilian property destruction and casualties have mounted and Russian truncated victory in Eastern Ukraine is worthless. A big part of the Russian forces, armour, missiles have been exhausted. If the Russian do succeed in Donbas region, a major hurdle to conquer Odessa is still there. That is the minimum requirement to give Russian a victory of sorts, although their objective was Kieve, the capital.
 

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A big power or shall we say one of the two big power of the world, Russia, is unable to have its way militarily in Ukraine is a very poor showing.

We do not know if it is the failure of the Russian military or poorly anticipated resistance from the Ukrainian forces is the cause. A big failure is poorly directed political direction of the war. Putin did fail here. Had they anticipated major resistance by the Ukrainians then they should not have gone into Ukraine at all. Now every inch of Ukrainian territory is fought over and the Russians are not having easy going. And that is with NATO’s moral support only and some material support.

Civilian property destruction and casualties have mounted and Russian truncated victory in Eastern Ukraine is worthless. A big part of the Russian forces, armour, missiles have been exhausted. If the Russian do succeed in Donbas region, a major hurdle to conquer Odessa is still there. That is the minimum requirement to give Russian a victory of sorts, although their objective was Kieve, the capital.
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"Yes, we lost the war, brb, about to rejine immediately" - Putin

"also absolutely bro, Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk that contain most of Ukraines minerals and other areas that comprise most of it's coast is worthless" - also Putin
 

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In other news, fascist capitalist hindu nationalist and oppressive businesses now expanding to the Russian Empire
 

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"Yes, we lost the war, brb, about to rejine immediately" - Putin

"also absolutely bro, Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk that contain most of Ukraines minerals and other areas that comprise most of it's coast is worthless" - also Putin
If the West's intention is to weaken Russia by irredeemably wrecking it's economy, the best strategy would be to let Putin seize as much of Ukraine as possible. There was a discussion on a popular Russian YouTube channel yesterday on the economic revival and reconstruction of the 'liberated' parts of Eastern and Southern Ukraine and the sums being discussed were eye watering. These regions, though amongst the most prosperous in Ukraine, were the poorest in Europe even prior to the war- they have seen zero investment since the fall of USSR, most Soviet era industry that remained was rendered uncompetitive after losing access to cheap Russian energy or asset stripped and moth balled by competing oligarchic clans. As an example, the annual budget of Kherson region (1 million inhabitants) per head of population is roughly 1/5th of the mean across all regions of Russia and if the gross figure were to be placed on a league table of Russian regions, Kherson's budget would come second last, ahead only of the Jewish autonomous region which gets a similar amount of money for a population of 150k. If you compare individual heads of costs within the budget, for instance road construction and maintenance, Kherson's average over several years is a mere 1.5% (1 billion roubles vs 77 billion roubles per annum) in comparison to a mid league Russian region with a similar population such as Ryzan. Apparently 70% of Ukraine's power, heating and railway infrastructure (including thousands of bridges just in the East and South) needs complete rebuilding from scratch as it's been left to rot since Soviet times and the rest need major modernisation. The same goes for housing, most of which has been untouched for 30 years. And this is just in the 'better' parts of Hohlandia without even accounting for destruction from the war. All this could cost Russia hundreds of billions and will keep mounting the more territory Russia seizes.

The West would encounter similar challenges in whatever 'Ukraine' remains under their influence but, unlike Russia, there would be no obligation hand out freebies as all the destruction will be blamed on the Rooskies and any assistance doled out will be in the form of loans with strict conditions attached. The Rooskies on the other hand would have to fund everything through grants to win the loyalty of the brainwashed population and ensure they are always better off in comparison to Ukropstan (which is already self evident if one considers HDI, 5x GDP per capita etc)
 

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If the West's intention is to weaken Russia by irredeemably wrecking it's economy, the best strategy would be to let Putin seize as much of Ukraine as possible. There was a discussion on a popular Russian YouTube channel yesterday on the economic revival and reconstruction of the 'liberated' parts of Eastern and Southern Ukraine and the sums being discussed were eye watering. These regions, though amongst the most prosperous in Ukraine, were the poorest in Europe even prior to the war- they have seen zero investment since the fall of USSR, most Soviet era industry that remained was rendered uncompetitive after losing access to cheap Russian energy or asset stripped and moth balled by competing oligarchic clans. As an example, the annual budget of Kherson region (1 million inhabitants) per head of population is roughly 1/5th of the mean across all regions of Russia and if the gross figure were to be placed on a league table of Russian regions, Kherson's budget would come second last, ahead only of the Jewish autonomous region which gets a similar amount of money for a population of 150k. If you compare individual heads of costs within the budget, for instance road construction and maintenance, Kherson's average over several years is a mere 1.5% (1 billion roubles vs 77 billion roubles per annum) in comparison to a mid league Russian region with a similar population such as Ryzan. Apparently 70% of Ukraine's power, heating and railway infrastructure (including thousands of bridges just in the East and South) needs complete rebuilding from scratch as it's been left to rot since Soviet times and the rest need major modernisation. The same goes for housing, most of which has been untouched for 30 years. And this is just in the 'better' parts of Hohlandia without even accounting for destruction from the war. All this could cost Russia hundreds of billions and will keep mounting the more territory Russia seizes.

The West would encounter similar challenges in whatever 'Ukraine' remains under their influence but, unlike Russia, there would be no obligation hand out freebies as all the destruction will be blamed on the Rooskies and any assistance doled out will be in the form of loans with strict conditions attached. The Rooskies on the other hand would have to fund everything through grants to win the loyalty of the brainwashed population and ensure they are always better off in comparison to Ukropstan (which is already self evident if one considers HDI, 5x GDP per capita etc)
Ukraine's potential as an economic power was a threat to the west. Just their potential as a agricultural country was enormous. They alone had the potential to feed the world. That's why the west wanted puppets like Zelensky to make sure Ukraine remained as it was, but in the end the west bit off more than it could chew. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-can-feed-the-world/
 

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