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Wrong, your moral and character building efforts have been outsourced to the religious members of the society you are a part of.
Couldn't have disagreed more, cause that's just your opinion, not a fact!! In reality, religion and morality are to be defined differently and have no definitional connections with each other, period!!

Oh and this is what Plato had to say over 2000 years ago, enjoy -
"if the gods approve of some actions it must be because those actions are good, in which case it cannot be the gods' approval that makes them good. The alternative view makes divine approval entirely arbitrary: if the gods had happened to approve of torture and disapprove of helping our neighbors, torture would have been good and helping our neighbors bad. Some modern theists have attempted to extricate themselves from this type of dilemma by maintaining that God is good and so could not possibly approve of torture; but these theists are caught in a trap of their own making, for what can they possibly mean by the assertion that God is good? That God is approved of by God?"

Now read it, then digest it, then ruminate on it for a time and then read it once again - in that order.


There is no such thing as Atheistic moral code.
Wow!! That's gotta be among the most condescending and insane pile of horse manure of an argument I've ever seen!!
I call bullshit on your claim because in 2015, a team of developmental neuroscientists at the University of Chicago, in Illinois, had run a scientific study on this very subject among school students across six different nations and their findings directly and decisively contradict your notion.
Here, check it out for yourself - Study Finds Religion Actually Tends to Make Kids Less Generous

So this is what I have got for you -

Honestly, I find this quite fascinating, this trait that is rather unique to your religious types - that you guys can pass off your own narratives and opinions based solely on faulty assumptions and borne out of your ignorance as facts with so much authority and confidence!! Ignorance is indeed a bliss it would appear (for the ignorant at the very least).

Every single part of your morality has and will have a religious origin.
That is something that is objectively and demonstrably untrue!!

Objective morality, in fact, predates any form of organized religion!! Heck, one could even make the argument that it predates the advent of modern humans altogether!! We can see examples of morality in the wild among populations of various social creatures including hyenas, wild dogs, elephants, prides of lions, and of course, our hairy cousins like chimps, bonobos, and gorillas as well (duh?!).

Biologists have observed lions taking care of members of their pride who have been rendered unable to hunt due to advanced age/ injury and even taking care and breastfeeding cubs whose mothers had been killed. The same with hyenas and wild dogs and wolves!!
The apes take it to a whole n'other level though and demonstrate a far higher level of mutual cooperation, to the point where it has been described by scientists as 'uncannily human like'.

These are all examples of objective morality, however crude they may appear to you. So by your logic, we'd have to assume that those lower creatures, lacking the same level of cognitive abilities as us Humans also possess a sense of religion and divinity!! Preposterous, ain't it??

In reality, objective morality as we know it is unique neither to religion nor to modern humans!! It is nothing but a by-product of evolution, a favorable genetic trait that got selected as it increased the chances for the survival of a species, something we have inherited from our ancestors, through millions of years of evolution. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that morality is nothing god-given as has been portrayed by the con artists we call religious leaders and something that can actually be easily explained away by evolutionary biology and behavioral psychology.


I'd like to end my rants on the following note -
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, empathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis should be necessary. And if you believe you need the fear of divine punishment in the form of eternal damnation in order for you to keep yourself from committing acts of rapes, murders, and thievery, then my friend, you are an asshole and I shudder to think of an alternate reality where those things have been perceived by the con artists as God's will and therefore the sacred duty as per the likes of you.
Do think about it.
 
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They are wrong. We are Right. It is precisely that simple.
Yeah, so says every other religion. That's just an opinion. And as the saying goes - opinion is like an asshole, everyone's got one.
muh current year arguments are poor rationality.
Sorry pal, but someone like you lecturing about rationality is akin to a whore preaching about sanctity.
Religion will be relevant even when humanity constructs a dyson sphere.
Again, just your opinion, unless you claim yourself to be a psychic, in which case, you have to present evidence in support of your claim.
Your understanding of Religion has been rotted by monotheism and it's atheistic response for you to hold your positions you currently hold.
And how do you know that??!!
You don't have any sufficient understanding of theology and epistemology beyond the childish religions of the west.
Yes, you got that one right, at least the first part. But you got the cause completely wrong as I've explained it before, the reason I lack any understanding of theology is simply due to I having been born into a completely non-religious household and therefore, having been spared of any kind of contact with any religion and the mind-fuckery that comes along with it. That's it and thank GOD for that (I say the last part ironically, in case you couldn't tell).
 

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Hinduism basis is holy vedas not smriti larper and the other isms you talked about aint dharma rather heresy against hinduism to weaken it.
percisely why i am not reverend of manuSMRITI. An obscure larp in indian history elevated by the british due to the flood myth seemingly validating their biblical story in their eyes.
 

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Coming back to the original topic of the thread, here is an example of a demented delusional western moron, ahem, a self-proclaimed analyst giving his expert opinion on the supposed sorry state of the Russian offensive on youtube -
And take a look at the comment section if you want to have a laugh, the level of copium is simply out of this world in there.
 

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Photos of the 1st confirmed Ukrainian Bushmaster Vehicle loss.



Information about the Bushmaster Vehicle : The Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle or Infantry Mobility Vehicle is an Australian-built four-wheel drive armoured vehicle. The Bushmaster was primarily designed by the then government-owned Australian Defence Industries (ADI), and is currently produced by Thales Australia with a support contract provided by Oshkosh Truck following the acquisition of ADI. The Bushmaster is currently in service with the Australian Army, Royal Australian Air Force, Royal Netherlands Army, British Army, Japan Ground Self Defense Force, Indonesian Army, Fiji Infantry Regiment, Jamaica Defence Force, New Zealand Army and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

A picture of the Bushmaster Vehicle :
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Footage of a Destroyed Russian BMP-1AM Basurmanin Vehicle.

 

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Hope folks are reading ISW. Even though its a mouthpiece for US, its coverage is pretty upto date.
The maps are also pretty good.

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-28

Key Takeaways

Russian forces pressed the ground assault on Severodonetsk and its environs, making limited gains.
Russian forces in Kharkiv continue to focus efforts on preventing a Ukrainian counteroffensive from reaching the international border between Kharkiv and Belgorod.
Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive near the Kherson-Mykolaiv oblast border approximately 70 km to the northeast of Kherson City that may have crossed the Inhulets River.
Russias use of stored T-62 tanks in the southern axis indicates Russias continued materiel and force generation problems.
Ukrainian partisan activity continues to impose costs on Russian occupation forces in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.
 

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Putin in Vishwaguru mode. He reckons he can use restraint on the battlefield to 'un brainwash' Ukrops. I suspect he is going to be disappointed as this wrongly assumes Ukrops are capable of thinking for themselves.
Won't work. Russians in 2014 encountered a semi loyalist population. In the last 8 years, teens who were 14-15 have been brainwashed by Globohomo US into hating Russia.

Looking at the average age of your Ukrainian soldier and subtracting 8 (23-8=15 or 22-18=14) tells you that they are fighting a new generation of hardcore possibly neo-nazi pro-EU supporters.

The old lot was purged thoroughly by NATO advisors for any Soviet sentimentality and so the 'Vishwaguru' attitude backfired on Putin.

They realised this in Phase 2 and have been merciless ever since.
 

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Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned

DRUZHKIVKA, Ukraine — Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end — and for their own tanks to stop targeting the Russians.


“They [Russians] already know where we are, and when the Ukrainian tank shoots from our side it gives away our position,” said Serhi Lapko, their company commander, recalling the recent battle. “And they start firing back with everything — Grads, mortars.”
“And you just pray to survive.”
Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught. Videos of assaults on Russian tanks or positions are posted daily on social media. Artists are creating patriotic posters, billboards and T-shirts. The postal service even released stamps commemorating the sinking of a Russian warship in the Black Sea.

Ukrainian forces have succeeded in thwarting Russian efforts to seize Kyiv and Kharkiv and have scored battlefield victories in the east. But the experience of Lapko and his group of volunteers offers a rare and more realistic portrait of the conflict and Ukraine’s struggle to halt the Russian advance in parts of Donbas. Ukraine, like Russia, has provided scant information about deaths, injuries or losses of military equipment. But after three months of war, this company of 120 men is down to 54 because of deaths, injuries and desertions.

The volunteers were civilians before Russia invaded on Feb. 24, and they never expected to be dispatched to one of the most dangerous front lines in eastern Ukraine. They quickly found themselves in the crosshairs of war, feeling abandoned by their military superiors and struggling to survive.
“Our command takes no responsibility,” Lapko said. “They only take credit for our achievements. They give us no support.”
When they could take it no longer, Lapko and his top lieutenant, Vitaliy Khrus, retreated with members of their company this week to a hotel away from the front. There, both men spoke to The Washington Post on the record, knowing they could face a court-martial and time in military prison.

“If I speak for myself, I’m not a battlefield commander,” he added. “But the guys will stand by me, and I will stand by them till the end.”

The volunteers’ battalion commander, Ihor Kisileichuk, did not respond to calls or written questions from The Post in time for publication, but he sent a terse message late Thursday saying: “Without this commander, the unit protects our land,” in an apparent reference to Lapko. A Ukrainian military spokesman declined immediate comment, saying it would take “days” to provide a response.

“War breaks people down,” said Serhiy Haidai, head of the regional war administration in Luhansk province, acknowledging many volunteers were not properly trained because Ukrainian authorities did not expect Russia to invade. But he maintained that all soldiers are taken care of: “They have enough medical supplies and food. The only thing is there are people that aren’t ready to fight.”

But Lapko and Khrus’s concerns were echoed recently by a platoon of the 115th Brigade 3rd Battalion, based nearby in the besieged city of Severodonetsk. In a video uploaded to Telegram on May 24, and confirmed as authentic by an aide to Haidai, volunteers said they will no longer fight because they lacked proper weapons, rear support and military leadership.

“We are being sent to certain death,” said a volunteer, reading from a prepared script, adding that a similar video was filmed by members of the 115th Brigade 1st Battalion. “We are not alone like this, we are many.”

Ukraine’s military rebutted the volunteers’ claims in their own video posted online, saying the “deserters” had everything they needed to fight: “They thought they came for a vacation,” one service member said. “That’s why they left their positions.”
Hours after The Post interviewed Lapko and Khrus, members of Ukraine’s military security service arrived at their hotel and detained some of their men, accusing them of desertion.
The men contend that they were the ones who were deserted.
Waiting to die
Before the invasion, Lapko was a driller of oil and gas wells. Khrus bought and sold power tools. Both lived in the western city of Uzhhorod and joined the territorial defense forces, a civilian militia that sprung up after the invasion.


Lapko, built like a wrestler, was made a company commander in the 5th Separate Rifle Battalion, in charge of 120 men. The similarly burly Khrus became a platoon commander under Lapko. All of their comrades were from western Ukraine. They were handed AK-47 rifles and given training that lasted less than a half-hour.
“We shot 30 bullets and then they said, ‘You can’t get more; too expensive,’ ” Lapko said.
They were given orders to head to the western city of Lviv. When they got there, they were ordered to go south and then east into Luhansk province in Donbas, portions of which were already under the control of Moscow-backed separatists and are now occupied by Russian forces. A couple dozen of his men refused to fight, Lapko said, and they were imprisoned.

The ones who stayed were based in the town of Lysychansk. From there, they were dispatched to Toshkivka, a front-line village bordering the separatist areas where the Russian forces were trying to advance. They were surprised when they got the orders.


“When we were coming here, we were told that we were going to be in the third line on defense,” Lapko said. “Instead, we came to the zero line, the front line. We didn’t know where we were going.”
The area has become a focal point of the war, as Moscow concentrates its military might on capturing the region. The city of Severodonetsk, near Lysychansk, is surrounded on three sides by Russian forces. Over the weekend, they destroyed one of three bridges into the city and are constantly shelling the other two. Ukrainian troops inside Severodonetsk are fighting to prevent the Russians from completely encircling the city.

That’s also the mission of Lapko’s men. If Toshkivka falls, the Russians can advance north toward Lysychansk and completely surround Severodonetsk. That would also allow them to go after larger cities in the region.


When the volunteers first arrived, their rotations in and out of Toshkivka lasted three or four days. As the war intensified, they stayed for a week minimum, sometimes two. “Food gets delivered every day except for when there are shellings or the situation is bad,” Khrus said.
And in recent weeks, he said, the situation has gotten much worse. When their supply chains were cut off for two days by the bombardment, the men were forced to make do with a potato a day.
They spend most days and nights in trenches dug into the forest on the edges of Toshkivka or inside the basements of abandoned houses. “They have no water, nothing there,” Lapko said. “Only water that I bring them every other day.”

It’s a miracle the Russians haven’t pushed through their defensive line in Toshkivka, Khrus said as Lapko nodded. Besides their rifles and hand grenades, the only weapons they were given were a handful of rocket-propelled grenades to counter the well-equipped Russian forces. And no one showed Lapko’s men how to use the RPGs.

“We had no proper training,” Lapko said.
“It’s around four RPGs for 15 men,” Khrus said, shaking his head.
The Russians, he said, are deploying tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, Grad rockets and other forms of artillery — when they try to penetrate the forest with ground troops or infantry vehicles, they can easily get close enough “to kill.”

“The situation is controllable but difficult,” Khrus said. “And when the heavy weapons are against us, we don’t have anything to work with. We are helpless.”

Behind their positions, Ukrainian forces have tanks, artillery and mortars to back Lapko’s men and other units along the front. But when the tanks or mortars are fired, the Russians respond with Grad rockets, often in areas where Lapko’s men are taking cover. In some cases, his troops have found themselves with no artillery support.

This is, in part, because Lapko said he has not been provided a radio. So there’s no contact with his superiors in Lysychansk, preventing him from calling for help.
The men accuse the Russians of using phosphorous bombs, incendiary weapons that are banned by international law if used against civilians.

“It explodes at 30 to 50 meters high and goes down slowly and burns everything,” Khrus said.

“Do you know what we have against phosphorous?” Lapko asked. “A glass of water, a piece of cloth to cover your mouth with!”

Both Lapko and Khrus expect to die at the front. That is why Lapko carries a pistol.
“It’s just a toy against them, but I have it so that if they take me I will shoot myself,” he said.

Survival

Despite the hardships, his men have fought courageously, Lapko said. Pointing at Khrus, he declared: “This guy here is a legend, a hero.” Khrus and his platoon, his commander said, have killed more than 50 Russian soldiers in close-up battles.

In a recent clash, he said, his men attacked two Russian armored vehicles carrying about 30 soldiers, ambushing them with grenades and guns.

“Their mistake was not to come behind us,” Lapko said. “If they would have done that, I wouldn’t be talking to you here now.”
Lapko has recommended 12 of his men for medals of valor, including two posthumously.

The war has taken a heavy toll on his company — as well as on other Ukrainian forces in the area. Two of his men were killed, among 20 fatalities in the battalion as a whole, and “many are wounded and in recovery now,” he said.
Then, there are those who are traumatized and have not returned.
“Many got shell shock. I don’t know how to count them,” Lapko said.
The casualties here are largely kept secret to protect morale among troops and the general public.
“On Ukrainian TV we see that there are no losses,” Lapko said. “There’s no truth.”

Most deaths, he added, were because injured soldiers were not evacuated quickly enough, often waiting as long as 12 hours for transport to a military hospital in Lysychansk, 15 miles away. Sometimes, the men have to carry an injured soldier on a stretcher as far as two miles on foot to find a vehicle, Lapko said. Two vehicles assigned to his company never arrived, he said, and are being used instead by people at military headquarters.
“If I had a car and was told that my comrade is wounded somewhere I’d come anytime and get him,” said Lapko, who used his own beat-up car to travel from Lysychansk to the hotel. “But I don’t have the necessary transport to get there.”
Retreat
Lapko and his men have grown increasingly frustrated and disillusioned with their superiors. His request for the awards has not been approved. His battalion commander demanded that he send 20 of his soldiers to another front line, which meant that he couldn’t rotate his men out from Toshkivka. He refused the order.
The final affront arrived last week when he arrived at military headquarters in Lysychansk after two weeks in Toshkivka. His battalion commander and team had moved to another town without informing him, he said, taking food, water and other supplies.

“They left us with no explanation,” Lapko said. “I think we were sent here to close a gap and no one cares if we live or die.”

So he, Khrus and several members of their company drove the 60 miles to Druzhkivka to stay in a hotel for a few days. “My guys wanted to wash themselves for the first time in a month,” Lapko said. “You know, hygiene! We don’t have it. We sleep in basements, on mattresses with rats running around.”
He and his men insisted that they want to return to the front.

“We’re ready to fight and we will keep on fighting,” Lapko said. “We will protect every meter of our country — but with adequate commandments and without unrealistic orders. I took an oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people. We’re protecting Ukraine and we won’t let anyone in as long as we’re alive.”

But on Monday, Ukraine’s military security services arrived at the hotel and took Khrus and other members of his platoon to a detention center for two days, accusing them of desertion. Lapko was stripped of his command, according to an order reviewed by The Post. He is being held at the base in Lysychansk, his future uncertain.
Reached by phone Wednesday, he said two more of his men had been wounded on the front line.

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Couldn't have disagreed more, cause that's just your opinion, not a fact!! In reality, religion and morality are to be defined differently and have no definitional connections with each other, period!!

Oh and this is what Plato had to say over 2000 years ago, enjoy -
"if the gods approve of some actions it must be because those actions are good, in which case it cannot be the gods' approval that makes them good. The alternative view makes divine approval entirely arbitrary: if the gods had happened to approve of torture and disapprove of helping our neighbors, torture would have been good and helping our neighbors bad. Some modern theists have attempted to extricate themselves from this type of dilemma by maintaining that God is good and so could not possibly approve of torture; but these theists are caught in a trap of their own making, for what can they possibly mean by the assertion that God is good? That God is approved of by God?"

Now read it, then digest it, then ruminate on it for a time and then read it once again - in that order.



Wow!! That's gotta be among the most condescending and insane pile of horse manure of an argument I've ever seen!!
I call bullshit on your claim because in 2015, a team of developmental neuroscientists at the University of Chicago, in Illinois, had run a scientific study on this very subject among school students across six different nations and their findings directly and decisively contradict your notion.
Here, check it out for yourself - Study Finds Religion Actually Tends to Make Kids Less Generous

So this is what I have got for you -

Honestly, I find this quite fascinating, this trait that is rather unique to your religious types - that you guys can pass off your own narratives and opinions based solely on faulty assumptions and borne out of your ignorance as facts with so much authority and confidence!! Ignorance is indeed a bliss it would appear (for the ignorant at the very least).


That is something that is objectively and demonstrably untrue!!

Objective morality, in fact, predates any form of organized religion!! Heck, one could even make the argument that it predates the advent of modern humans altogether!! We can see examples of morality in the wild among populations of various social creatures including hyenas, wild dogs, elephants, prides of lions, and of course, our hairy cousins like chimps, bonobos, and gorillas as well (duh?!).

Biologists have observed lions taking care of members of their pride who have been rendered unable to hunt due to advanced age/ injury and even taking care and breastfeeding cubs whose mothers had been killed. The same with hyenas and wild dogs and wolves!!
The apes take it to a whole n'other level though and demonstrate a far higher level of mutual cooperation, to the point where it has been described by scientists as 'uncannily human like'.

These are all examples of objective morality, however crude they may appear to you. So by your logic, we'd have to assume that those lower creatures, lacking the same level of cognitive abilities as us Humans also possess a sense of religion and divinity!! Preposterous, ain't it??

In reality, objective morality as we know it is unique neither to religion nor to modern humans!! It is nothing but a by-product of evolution, a favorable genetic trait that got selected as it increased the chances for the survival of a species, something we have inherited from our ancestors, through millions of years of evolution. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that morality is nothing god-given as has been portrayed by the con artists we call religious leaders and something that can actually be easily explained away by evolutionary biology and behavioral psychology.


I'd like to end my rants on the following note -
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, empathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis should be necessary. And if you believe you need the fear of divine punishment in the form of eternal damnation in order for you to keep yourself from committing acts of rapes, murders, and thievery, then my friend, you are an asshole and I shudder to think of an alternate reality where those things have been perceived by the con artists as God's will and therefore the sacred duty as per the likes of you.
Do think about it.
amusing dawkinsian cope, but no.

That you are not capable of comprehending the epistemological distinctions between abrahamcist monolatry and prior endemic pantheism of the world, let alone providing a single piece of criticism of a non abrahamic religions, proves your functional illiteracy of the topic at hand. Wank off all you want about eternal punishment, all that renders you is a joke who doesn't even comprehend the argument he is making, and with whom he is making.

Gifs are not an argument, edgelord.

Plato is a moron btw. Do you even comprehend the number of idiotic assumptions he assumes by default to make that idiotic argument?



Muh evolutionary biology is cope by idiots who don't understand game theory and super rationality. Biological impulses are not "moral codes" lmao, Morality involves controlling and harnessing your biological impulses in a non destructive manner.

Prove a single piece of your moral code to have a non religious origin. Go on. I am waiting. Maybe you will actually learn to think and communicate instead of brainless regurgitation.

One thing is true, I am quite condescending towards your lowest denominator arguments that only convince the absolute illiterates.
 

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And how do you know that??!!

Because I know more than you regarding the topic at hand in all aspects.

Yes, you got that one right, at least the first part. But you got the cause completely wrong as I've explained it before, the reason I lack any understanding of theology is simply due to I having been born into a completely non-religious household and therefore, having been spared of any kind of contact with any religion and the mind-fuckery that comes along with it. That's it and thank GOD for that (I say the last part ironically, in case you couldn't tell).
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Amusing to brag about how your educationally challenged parents indoctrinated you as a child and made you incapable of any form of Autodidacticism .

Are you capable of finding the irony in this?
 

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