Russia Ukraine War 2022

[Marliii]

What do you say apart from nuclear weapons that Russia's military is stronger than China's?

They got better submarines ,better airdefences ,more modernised infantry .generally better tanks because chinese tanks have a massive disadvantage even than russian ones

 

[Marliii]

The simplest, artillery, India's truly modern artillery is 100 K9,150 M777, which are quite few in the world

What is the definition of modern artillery for you? You guys got a shit tonne of 122mm artillery

 

[Master Chief]

What most normies don't realise is that we had deadly clashes with the Chinese full 3 years before 1962, yet we didn't really start preparing for the coming war, beyond half asses measures. Why? Because those who were in power could not even imagine that a full scale war could take place. So they never bothered prepare for one.
All these decades later we are in the same place - era of expansionism is over, conventional wars are too expensive, the next war if it happens will be a swift one! - All perls of wisdom from people currently in power.

Indian defense policy against China, is based on Hopium. That as soon as we exhaust ammo in 3 weeks, Bhadwa Uncle Sam, and his Angrez bitches will swoop in and force a ceasefire on China..
The Ukraine war has shown that the most draconian economic sanctions on Russia, using all of the west's might, has not forced Russia to a ceasefire even after 3 months.. And the west has imposed such heavy sanctions only because it is a European war.. They won't impose even 5 percent of the sanctions, if China attacks India..

 

[dkkgp]

Indian defense policy against China, is based on Hopium. That as soon as we exhaust ammo in 3 weeks, Bhadwa Uncle Sam, and his Angrez bitches will swoop in and force a ceasefire on China..
The Ukraine war has shown that the most draconian economic sanctions on Russia, using all of the west's might, has not forced Russia to a ceasefire even after 3 months.. And the west has imposed such heavy sanctions only because it is a European war.. They won't impose even 5 percent of the sanctions, if China attacks India..

When India says it maintains/strives to maintain 3 weeks worth of ammo it is talking about a theoretical full-fledged intense swift war and not the kind you see between Russia and Ukraine. Just to give you an idea, by that definition even 1971 war is not considered a full-fledged one, even though India had a similar policy even back then. India barely depleted 10-20% of its stocks in 1971. It's a hypothetical case where all your forces are simultaneously fighting which will almost never happen in a real war and if it happens the war will definitely be short and swift for either side. Pakistan was surely not dumb to surrender in front of an enemy having barely a week's worth ammo left.
Also, don't see the comparison between Russia-Ukraine vs India-China scenario. The military firepower is nowhere as lopsided, India has poor border infra, true and we are yet to catch up but then Chinese jets would also have to take off from a much higher altitude. The nature of war would also be different, the reason Russia protracted this war is also because it wants a regime change, a swift short war leaves little room for that given the destruction it would cause, neither China nor India will have that objective in the war. More importantly unlike Ukraine, India does have the capacity to strike southern Chinese seaboard cities, if you do a tradeoff on the payload you can hit even deeper. China wouldn't have the luxury of one sided missile attacks that Russia has and that itself will shorten the war
If China could have done what Russia has done it would have surely not used nail fitted rods to beat up folks and upped the ante after Indian countermeasures in North bank of Pangong Tso or got into a now more than 2 year long face off at Galwan, Xitler would have asked his men to blow IA up from there if he was confident. Also what's the fuss with Doklam? That they started making infra perpendicularly after India stopped them from moving forward towards the border? India itself uses this tactic when objected lol

 

[WARREN SS]

The capabilities of the artillery command system, the level of the fire control system

Indian already has those almost 10 years back

The Indian army has a lot of artillery, but not many can be called modern

M777.
Dhanush
Atags
Nexter Kalyani
OFB Wheeled Howitzer
K-9 Thunder

The availability of Artillary variety And GPS guided munitions like Excaliber And Israeli's GPS guide kits for RAP
like
to India is more than PLAGF

 

[India Super Power]

Indian already has those almost 10 years back

M777.
Dhanush
Atags
Nexter Kalyani
OFB Wheeled Howitzer
K-9 Thunder

The availability of Artillary variety And GPS guided munitions like Excaliber And Israeli's GPS guide kits for RAP
like
to India is more than PLAGF

Just to ask
How many atags we have
How many nexter kalyani
How many 155mm wheeled howitzers
Point is China is below Russia is due quality and reliability of Russian is better of Chinese and majorly a experienced battle tested military
That's the biggest drawback of PLA
Once China fights a mordern war then it can be the most powerful military

 

[WARREN SS]

Just to ask
How many atags we have
How many nexter kalyani
How many 155mm wheeled howitzers
Point is China is below Russia is due quality and reliability of Russian is better of Chinese and majorly a experienced battle tested military
That's the biggest drawback of PLA
Once China fights a mordern war then it can be the most powerful military

Most Chinese Products
Are too in the prototype stage

Like PCL-181

there is hardly a full 2-3 battalion in operation

 

[WARREN SS]

LOL
this hardly 5-10 guns

they hardly make an impact in the war

K-9 And M777 already outrange most of these guns

Indian army is already in Process of Acquiring 800 +

Unlike PLAGF India has four variety of Wheeled Artillery

 

[WARREN SS]

PCL181 has almost 25 battalions of 450
Plus Pakistan's 256
700 have been produced,

Source ???

 

[WARREN SS]

The third should be Caesar
The fourth one I don't know, seems to be an Israeli howitzer,
But how many of these are equipped with Indian troops?

YES the truck is an Indian one, Ashoka Leyland
Its Indian Specified version Trajan
Nextor And L&T

4 the elbit athos 2052


1st is OFB gun is 100 % indigenous gun produced in limited numbers

So It can be produced like Dhanush

So is TATA one Which already field-tested 2-3 years back

its Also in limited numbers

Waiting for CCS fund Approval for Mass order of 814 guns

 

[WARREN SS]

@L1551L There separate thread for artillery discussion

move it there

Indian Army Artillery

“FGK succesfully proof fired 155x52 cal ordnance today at CPE Itarsi, proving its capabilities to manufacture 52 calibre artillery fire power.” Wtf? Hasu ya rou kaha nai jata

defenceforumindia.com

 

[WARREN SS]

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The capabilities of the artillery command system, the level of the fire control system
It is also a 122mm gun, PCL171 can automatically adjust the gun, automatically set parameters, and automatically geodetic according to Beidou navigation,
Automatically complete related operations before shooting, and the reaction time and combat capability are much stronger than D30
The Indian army has a lot of artillery, but not many can be called modern

modern is secondary. Primary is the will to fight and logistics. This is why modern western armies lose to rice farmers and shepherds of vietnam and afghanistan and shit the bed against camel herders of Syria.

Russia is proving that modern equipment is secondary to winning wars, while western performance over the last 50 yeas has proven that even space lasers can't win you wars, if you are a panzy who cannot accept casualties.

 

[ww2historian]

To be fair, would you if you had something as prolific and powerful as сука блять??!! I for one have replaced fuck/ shit long since in favor of these two cuss words and whenever I would say it, people around me be like -

[/QUOTE If you reverse those two words (syntax), it's a fairly common phrase in America. Did the Ukrainians reverse the words because they have no sense of syntax? Pidgin code has no syntax. Or perhaps the Russians reversed it on purpose, so they don't have to give credit to Americans.

 

[1971ftw]

Hey what's the sites policy on blood, Gore and nudity?

Wanted to share few videos of the war among other things , it's bit gore

 

[WARREN SS]

 

[ww2historian]

Some updates from the military summary channel on Rumble. https://rumble.com/v167mbd-ukraine.-military-summary-and-analysis-26.05.2022.html

 

[Kumaoni]

 

[Master Chief]

When India says it maintains/strives to maintain 3 weeks worth of ammo it is talking about a theoretical full-fledged intense swift war and not the kind you see between Russia and Ukraine. Just to give you an idea, by that definition even 1971 war is not considered a full-fledged one, even though India had a similar policy even back then. India barely depleted 10-20% of its stocks in 1971. It's a hypothetical case where all your forces are simultaneously fighting which will almost never happen in a real war and if it happens the war will definitely be short and swift for either side. Pakistan was surely not dumb to surrender in front of an enemy having barely a week's worth ammo left.
Also, don't see the comparison between Russia-Ukraine vs India-China scenario. The military firepower is nowhere as lopsided, India has poor border infra, true and we are yet to catch up but then Chinese jets would also have to take off from a much higher altitude. The nature of war would also be different, the reason Russia protracted this war is also because it wants a regime change, a swift short war leaves little room for that given the destruction it would cause, neither China nor India will have that objective in the war. More importantly unlike Ukraine, India does have the capacity to strike southern Chinese seaboard cities, if you do a tradeoff on the payload you can hit even deeper. China wouldn't have the luxury of one sided missile attacks that Russia has and that itself will shorten the war
If China could have done what Russia has done it would have surely not used nail fitted rods to beat up folks and upped the ante after Indian countermeasures in North bank of Pangong Tso or got into a now more than P

year long face off at Galwan, Xitler would have asked his men to blow IA up from there if he was confident. Also what's the fuss with Doklam? That they started making infra perpendicularly after India stopped them from moving forward towards the border? India itself uses this tactic when objected lol

That is why I said India will exhaust ammo in 3 weeks.. and not 10 days.. India has ammo enough for 10 days of Intense warfare ( 10I )..which would last for 3 to 4 weeks probably ..
There won't be any Chinese missile strikes deep into India's hinterland.. But, northern Indian airfields will come under attack..
Because of the terrain, any Indo-China war will be a grinding months' long war, before any military objective is achieved..
Also, going to war against a well entrenched enemy is not a decision that China will take lightly. Any substantial Chinese battlefield gains will require massive military expenditure, and lqrge military casualties.. Just because Chinese did not go to war against India in 2020, does not mean that they won't go to war against India tomorrow.. Russia resorted to large scale conventional war against Ukraine after exhausting other options like FSB backed political maneuvers, Rebellion in Donbass with minimal Russian military involvement etc.., did not achieve the desired objective, and NATO threat from Ukraine only increased with each passing year..
Depending on imports at extortionate prices during a war of attrition with a major power is suicide.. We have to depend on mass deployment of good enough Indian weapons..

 

[Blademaster]

modern is secondary. Primary is the will to fight and logistics. This is why modern

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