Russia Ukraine War 2022

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Footage of the combat operation of the Orlan-10 UAV was shown by the Russian Defense Ministry. The Orlan-10 UAV began to be delivered to the troops in 2010 and by now is the most massive UAV of the Russian army used in Ukraine. The Orlan-10 has a mass of 14 kg and is capable of carrying up to 4 high-explosive shells. In various configurations, UAVs can conduct surveillance in the optical and infrared range. Orlan‑10 is capable of automatically detecting the positions of switched-on GSM phones, VHF communication stations, operating radars.


The Russian army in the Zaporozhye direction stopped an attempt to counterattack the Ukrainian armed forces. An attempt to attack Russian units by the forces of two Ukrainian mechanized battalions on tanks and infantry fighting vehicles was made near the village of Vishnevoye, Zaporozhye region. The enemy was spotted in time, UAVs and Russian artillery strikes were inflicted on parts of the Ukrainian army. After that, Russian tanks, BPM and infantry units, supported by artillery, destroyed the retreating equipment of Ukraine. According to the results of the battle, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 12 infantry fighting vehicles and about 100 soldiers were destroyed.


The work of Russian 120 mm mortar crews in Ukraine

 

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You are forgetting the manpower from Donetsk and Luhansk. The people in those areas do not want to rejoin Ukraine. They are fighting to be republics or rejoin Russia. There's no manpower problem in those areas.
So why is Russia struggling to hold on to Kharkiv gains? they need MANPOWER
 

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Per Koffman the Donbas offensive is the last offensive the Russians will be able to mount for some time. The amount of attrition inflicted on thier units will make them combat ineffective, and they will have to go on the defensive on the lands they hold. Of course that doesn't nessesarily mean Ukrainian will be able to mount a successful offensive, that will depend on wether they have enough forces left, with requisite heavy weapons etc.
The Russians are taking advantage of their superior firepower and air support to hot the Ukrainian military hard.

The Russians also have 105 BTGs in Ukraine with another 45 in the wings being cycled out for keeping troops fresh.
 

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So why is Russia struggling to hold on to Kharkiv gains? they need MANPOWER
You missed the key phrase in his comment i.e - " There's no manpower problem in those areas.", as in the Donbas front. In Kharkiv, the Russians are struggling because they only deployed a meager force of just 5 BTGs and unlike in Donbas, there are no DPR - LPR forces assisting them there!!
 

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You missed the key phrase in his comment i.e - " There's no manpower problem in those areas.", as in the Donbas front. In Kharkiv, the Russians are struggling because they only deployed a meager force of just 5 BTGs and unlike in Donbas, there are no DPR - LPR forces assisting them there!!
So in other words, they couldn’t hold on to Kharkiv Becuase of MANPOWER.
 

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And here's something for those who have been wondering or rather bragging about the apparent slow pace of Russian advance in Donbas -
Although I disagree with the title of his video that trench warfare being back and all. I would argue that it was never gone and as long as dirt will continue to provide a level of protection against enemy projectiles, trenches will never be gone out of fashion.
 

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Sad to see the Ukrainian soldiers surrender at Mariupol. It was inevitable. My question that why did Foolish Zelensky keep them their for such longtime when he knew that surrender will happen sooner or later. My hat is off to the soldiers and a brickbat to Zelensky
Ukraine forces are led by political officers rather than army, which would have asked its troops to retreat instead of getting encircled. They stayed three to prevent putin from having the political coup of capturing this region. In the end they had to surrender.
 

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Looking at the current war, it seems drone will play an important role in future wars. On the contrary, role of armour seems to decrease.

The purpose of armour was to maneuver inside enemy territory while protecting occupants from enemy fire. With anti tank weapons, it has become difficult, as Ukraine has shown.

On the other hand, drone can easily maneuver over enemy territory and can take out pin point targets.
 
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Looking at the current war, it seems drone will play an important role in future wars. On the contrary, role of armour seems to decrease.

The purpose of armour was to maneuver inside enemy territory while providing occupants from enemy fire. With anti tank weapons, it has become difficult, as Ukraine has shown.

On the other hand, drone can easily maneuver over enemy territory and can take out pin point targets.
More worrying factor is APS is not extremely effective in tanks and even if APS becomes 100% effective one can easily overwhelm APS and tank defense with multiple ATGMs.
As time progresses these guided ATGMs will only keep getting economical.
 

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Looking at the current war, it seems drone will play an important role in future wars. On the contrary, role of armour seems to decrease.

The purpose of armour was to maneuver inside enemy territory while providing occupants from enemy fire. With anti tank weapons, it has become difficult, as Ukraine has shown.

On the other hand, drone can easily maneuver over enemy territory and can take out pin point targets.
All of these have their place.
You can't place tanks in ATGM rich zones and say "boo, they don't work".
Similarly, you can't place drones in a zone where enemy has air superiority and say "boo, drones don't work".

It's rather terrifying how affordable drones are. We'll see a lot more drones in the future. First, Nagorno Karabakh, and now Ukraine.
Unfortunately, both these areas have similar terrain features so drones may not necessarily be as effective in... say.... the forests of Changa Manga.

This is also the first time we're seeing conventional armies going at each others with drones so effective countermeasures will be developed soon enough.

By the gods, I wish we start developing some high altitude, long range cheap-ass drones for Tibet and Ladakh.
Those regions have no place to hide. No overhead cover, no nothing.
 

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All of these have their place.
You can't place tanks in ATGM rich zones and say "boo, they don't work".
Similarly, you can't place drones in a zone where enemy has air superiority and say "boo, drones don't work".

It's rather terrifying how affordable drones are. We'll see a lot more drones in the future. First, Nagorno Karabakh, and now Ukraine.
Unfortunately, both these areas have similar terrain features so drones may not necessarily be as effective in... say.... the forests of Changa Manga.

This is also the first time we're seeing conventional armies going at each others with drones so effective countermeasures will be developed soon enough.

By the gods, I wish we start developing some high altitude, long range cheap-ass drones for Tibet and Ladakh.
Those regions have no place to hide. No overhead cover, no nothing.
Finally someone who understand it’s not the issue with tanks but the issue with poor generalship.
 

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Finally someone who understand it’s not the issue with tanks but the issue with poor generalship.
Yeah, if one were to go by the words of the morons that seem to be infesting the SM (and our very own DFI) these days, then tanks have been obsolete since the very first day they appeared on the battlefield more than 100 years ago!!
 

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Finally someone who understand it’s not the issue with tanks but the issue with poor generalship.
You know what will be funnier?
Placing infantry under a B52's bombing run and saying "well, Infantry is obsolete".
Well, yes, of course it is. Everything is obsolete when you carry an extra chromosome. :shoot:

I'm just wondering what the future of drone development would look like.
Will we see drones dogfighting?
Will there be different class of drones like the case for fighter jets?
Bombers, CAS-specific, interceptors, drone-specific air superiority, multi-role etc?


We may have some new breakthrough in this class to merely reset the status quo back to it's original form.
As is the case for every weapon system ever.


This always happens. Something REALLY effective comes out, destroys the other side which doesn't have it, people start thinking it'll make the other systems obsolete, then the other side acquires the same stuff and there's a stalemate. Then countermeasures are developed. Guns, tanks, jets, submarines, nukes, drones. It's all the same story.
Finally, warfare ends up back where it started. A platoon on top of a hilltop trying to kill the platoon at the bottom of the hill before it seizes their post.

To quote the Fallout 4 narrator- War never changes.
 

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All of these have their place.
You can't place tanks in ATGM rich zones and say "boo, they don't work".
Similarly, you can't place drones in a zone where enemy has air superiority and say "boo, drones don't work".

It's rather terrifying how affordable drones are. We'll see a lot more drones in the future. First, Nagorno Karabakh, and now Ukraine.
Unfortunately, both these areas have similar terrain features so drones may not necessarily be as effective in... say.... the forests of Changa Manga.

This is also the first time we're seeing conventional armies going at each others with drones so effective countermeasures will be developed soon enough.

By the gods, I wish we start developing some high altitude, long range cheap-ass drones for Tibet and Ladakh.
Those regions have no place to hide. No overhead cover, no nothing.
I think most enemy infantry zones will be rich in ATGM. We do not need tanks anyways when there is no presence of enemy infantry. With tanks, enemy gets a clearly visible, slow moving target which can be taken out easily.
Terrain, as you rightly said, are important. Different terrains will require different strategies.

But even if we take example of dense forest, it would be easier to operate drone than a tank. Tank will find no movement except on roads (where they can be targeted) while drones flying all over the forest can identify hiding enemies through heat signatures.
 

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All of these have their place.
You can't place tanks in ATGM rich zones and say "boo, they don't work".
Similarly, you can't place drones in a zone where enemy has air superiority and say "boo, drones don't work".

It's rather terrifying how affordable drones are. We'll see a lot more drones in the future. First, Nagorno Karabakh, and now Ukraine.
Unfortunately, both these areas have similar terrain features so drones may not necessarily be as effective in... say.... the forests of Changa Manga.

This is also the first time we're seeing conventional armies going at each others with drones so effective countermeasures will be developed soon enough.

By the gods, I wish we start developing some high altitude, long range cheap-ass drones for Tibet and Ladakh.
Those regions have no place to hide. No overhead cover, no nothing.
Are there forests in changa manga ?
Coz its in pakistan punjab
 

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