Russia robbed India in PakFa/FGFA deal.

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In simple term We got the biggest fuck off by russia.

After bankrolling us they denied to transfer critical technology to us as per agreement, thats why we can called the deal.

Now they are going to give this su-57 plane made by Indian money to our enemies like China and Turkey with Tot to give evn bigger Fuck you to us.

Instead of cancellation outright we should have bought some of these planes and made our own fighter with American, French and Israeli tech.

This is the 4th FU after Ins Viki and mig-29, super sukhoi deals.maybe we need to take some drastic changes now in order to keep our independent policy alive.

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In simple term We got the biggest fuck off by russia.

After bankrolling us they denied to transfer critical technology to us as per agreement, thats why we can called the deal.

Now they are going to give this su-57 plane made by Indian money to our enemies like China and Turkey with Tot to give evn bigger Fuck you to us.

Instead of cancellation outright we should have bought some of these planes and made our own fighter with American, French and Israeli tech.

This is the 4th FU after Ins Viki and mig-29, super sukhoi deals.maybe we need to take some drastic changes now in order to keep our independent policy alive.

@lcafanboy
China will NEVER buy Su 57 as they have J 20. Turkey too poor for Su 57.
 

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China will NEVER buy Su 57 as they have J 20. Turkey too poor for Su 57.
China bought su-27, 30, 33 and 35 in large numbers and even got licence to make them in their own country. They entire industry is built upon russian teach since 1950s so I don't have any doubt that they will not buy su-57.

Considering that we still have option of su-57 china will buy just enough to RE it and make their own fighter alongside getting technical knowledge and know how to use in their own projects and against indian su-57s.

Erdo is a rabid islamic dog with 0 understanding of geopolitics, if he can dump 35 for 400 we can be sure that he can and may pick 57.

And lop at turkey being poor their per capita is nearly 10000 while ours is 1900. If they can afford to get 120+ F-35, su-57 is cakewalk for them.

Other hand we can't even get 126 4.5 gen rafales as our dm said we can't afford them in such large numbers.
 

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There are no friends. While Russia has provided us a lot (for the right price), including nuke subs, they can't be relied upon for jets. US comes with too much baggage and too many restrictions. Rafael is great but can we replace all our aging jets with just this?

No substitute for self-reliance, till we get there, we have to pay the price for our previous governments not investing in our own capability.
 
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There are no friends. While Russia has provided us a lot (for the right price), including nuke subs, they can't be relied upon for jets. US comes with too much baggage and too many restrictions. Rafael is great but can we replace all our aging jets with just this?

No substitute for self-reliance, till we get there, we have to pay the price for our previous governments not investing in out own capability.
We need tejas Mk2 with indian engine and weapons.

Maybe get whatever we learned from this fgfa and use it to make our 9wn fighter ?
 

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China will NEVER buy Su 57 as they have J 20. Turkey too poor for Su 57.
They said the same thing about Su-35... now they have two squadrons of it. Turkey was too poor for F-35 but they were still getting loans to buy that too.
 

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They said the same thing about Su-35... now they have two squadrons of it. Turkey was too poor for F-35 but they were still getting loans to buy that too.
Su 57 will kill J 20 due it being so diametrically opposite to each other. J 20 is akin to MG 1.44 / F 35 where Su 57 is akin to F 22.


Turkey is going to end up with nothing. F 35 will come but only when they buy something equivalent to the monetary value of S 400 from the US.
 
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China bought su-27, 30, 33 and 35 in large numbers and even got licence to make them in their own country. They entire industry is built upon russian teach since 1950s so I don't have any doubt that they will not buy su-57.

Considering that we still have option of su-57 china will buy just enough to RE it and make their own fighter alongside getting technical knowledge and know how to use in their own projects and against indian su-57s.

Erdo is a rabid islamic dog with 0 understanding of geopolitics, if he can dump 35 for 400 we can be sure that he can and may pick 57.

And lop at turkey being poor their per capita is nearly 10000 while ours is 1900. If they can afford to get 120+ F-35, su-57 is cakewalk for them.

Other hand we can't even get 126 4.5 gen rafales as our dm said we can't afford them in such large numbers.
Other hand we can't even get 126 4.5 gen rafales as our dm said we can't afford them in such large numbers.

Never blow your load early. It shows poor thinking capacity and judgement. This one Freudian slip shows your true colors Congi.

BTW look up J 20. Also look up MiG 1.44 and see how different it is from Su 57. Also look up Idezhye 30.
 

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Other hand we can't even get 126 4.5 gen rafales as our dm said we can't afford them in such large numbers.

Never blow your load early. It shows poor thinking capacity and judgement. This one Freudian slip shows your true colors Congi.

BTW look up J 20. Also look up MiG 1.44 and see how different it is from Su 57. Also look up Idezhye 30.
That's was the official statement of our defence minister retard
 

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In simple term We got the biggest fuck off by russia.

After bankrolling us they denied to transfer critical technology to us as per agreement, thats why we can called the deal.

Now they are going to give this su-57 plane made by Indian money to our enemies like China and Turkey with Tot to give evn bigger Fuck you to us.

Instead of cancellation outright we should have bought some of these planes and made our own fighter with American, French and Israeli tech.

This is the 4th FU after Ins Viki and mig-29, super sukhoi deals.maybe we need to take some drastic changes now in order to keep our independent policy alive.

@lcafanboy
If they do that; the best response is to buy a couple squadrons off the shelf - then start working with the Israelis to soup it up and start making newer, better ones in greater numbers.
 

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In simple term We got the biggest fuck off by russia.

After bankrolling us they denied to transfer critical technology to us as per agreement, thats why we can called the deal.

Now they are going to give this su-57 plane made by Indian money to our enemies like China and Turkey with Tot to give evn bigger Fuck you to us.

Instead of cancellation outright we should have bought some of these planes and made our own fighter with American, French and Israeli tech.

This is the 4th FU after Ins Viki and mig-29, super sukhoi deals.maybe we need to take some drastic changes now in order to keep our independent policy alive.

@lcafanboy
We had just paid 300 million dollars as initial peek in payment actual agreement has not been signed which was around 5.5 billion dollars with work sharing of 50% all IPRs co ownership but russians kept denying even peek in by our pilots. Most probably they feared that IAF will find it that it's just a souped up version of Sukhoi flankers and not true stealth optimised fighter. So we have not paid anything besides 300million. That's also the reason why it's delayed and in limbo due to lack of funds.....
 
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Mods pls edit the thread title, India and Russian relationship is a strategic one. A small part of it constitutes defence deals.

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Why not? The title of thread and concerns are very genuine.
I don't get where this "strategic partnership" has gone beyond purchasing weapons since collapse of Soviet Union.

Remember we aren't Pakistanis to develop stupid feelings of love for other countries. Russians wanted to occupy us during great game.

We Indians are a different country and different race. Our rise poses threat to some countries while plays in interest of others. There are no friends in this world, only allies.
 

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Why not? The title of thread and concerns are very genuine.
I don't get where this "strategic partnership" has gone beyond purchasing weapons since collapse of Soviet Union.

Remember we aren't Pakistanis to develop stupid feelings of love for other countries. Russians wanted to occupy us during great game.

We Indians are a different country and different race. Our rise poses threat to some countries while plays in interest of others. There are no friends in this world, only allies.
It may appear like we are loosing money, but Strategic relations with Russia are still relavent today and India continues to buy military hardware from Russia.
Russia is an important country in Asia.
 
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It may appear like we are loosing money, but Strategic relations with Russia are still relavent today and India continues to military hardware from Russia.
Russia is an important country in Asia.
Not enough important yet to be totally immune to our criticism.
 

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